Anyone Else Have Trouble With Secondary Axis Tilt?

[colin007]

I have always had trouble with this, i move my entire upper body towards the target on the down swing, causing me to flip so i won't miss the ball entirely. I'm good with pushing the hips to the target before turning them, its just my stupid head moves too. I've done drills with my head against a doorway, but on a real swing its very hard for me to keep my upper center from swaying forward along with my hips. When i get my head to stay back i almost feel like its a Natalie Gulbis move where i feel like my head moves backwards on the DS... Anyone else struggle with this?

[Zeph]

Yes. Yes I do. My hips may need a bit more work, but the upper body stuff is the main issue. It works pretty well when I'm working on it, but after some years of this stuff, it's really hard to get rid of. At my old range, I put up a club on a pole supporting the roof (the range had a roof), strapped it horisontally with a bungee cord and positioned the grip right next to my head. My focus was not to touch the grip. Feels really weird, which is a good thing I guess. Unfortunately, I don't know of a better way to fix it than to keep working on it. Do some slow swings and some fast ones, just keeping that same focus every time. Having a fixed obstacle there while actually swinging was really useful, and made the practice easier. [URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC08ZbfIVsA]Looks like this[/URL], except I had the club under the brim of my cap there.

[iacas]

Take a six iron. Make some swings that hit the ball 30 yards. Check it on video. If it's good, make some swings that send the ball 40 yards. Repeat until you can no longer make a swing without your head going forward, and spend time working on that swing for awhile before moving on.

Practice at the edge of your current ability to keep pushing that "current" level out farther.

[Fried Egg]

How about feeling like your head is slighlty moving backwards in the downswing?

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Fried Egg

How about feeling like your head is slighlty moving backwards in the downswing?

We do this with students yes but be very, very careful here for obvious reasons. I try to recommend other things before suggesting this... :)

[colin007]

Originally Posted by iacas

We do this with students yes but be very, very careful here for obvious reasons. I try to recommend other things before suggesting this... :)

yeah, i get the point, you dont want the head actually moving back, just staying in place.  i can imagine that trying to use the thought of "move the head back" to just keep it in place could lead to disaster if i were to overdo it.

[Hogan1949]

Originally Posted by iacas

We do this with students yes but be very, very careful here for obvious reasons. I try to recommend other things before suggesting this... :)

Does't Mike Bender have some sort of new training aid that helps with this?

[Mr. Desmond]

Originally Posted by Hogan1949

Does't Mike Bender have some sort of new training aid that helps with this?

Benderstik!

[Ernest Jones]

Hi Colin,

Have you had any progress with this? I fight the exact same issue, however I don't seem to be flipping, at least not by my definition, or at least the club trails the grip anyway...

I make good ball first contact but would like to fix this as I know its a fault.

[colin007]

I make "good contact" in that i (for the most part) hit the ball first, but i still flip a lot. I'm long enough for it not to really be a problem, at least at the courses near me, but it's still a terribly inefficient strike. I have to feel that my head is falling back and down on my downswing. I should get the camera back out too, to make sure.