• Announcements

    • iacas

      GAME GOLF Ryder Cup Contest   09/22/2016

      Join our GAME GOLF Ryder Cup Challenge to win an autographed GAME GOLF, a Pebble Steel watch, and many more great prizes!
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
SoundandFury

What does a proper backswing pivot feel like?

10 posts in this topic

I just signed up for evolvr (so far so good, they picked up a huge swing fault no teacher ever has), and it turns out I have a pretty bad sway in my back swing.  I've worked on a proper pivot where I turned around my spine and make sure there's no lateral movement away from the target.

Can anyone describe what this movement should actually feel like? I almost feel like I'm too "on top of the ball", almost like a stack and tilt swing (though I can feel the weight/tension on the inside of my back foot).

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Want to get rid of this advertisement? Sign up (or log in) today! It's free!

As some one who has battled head movement and swaying for the longest time,  you will probably feel very uncomfortable at first.  I didn't feel like I was moving at all yet.  My head was moving back and up diagonally over 6 to 8 inches in the back swing.  I have to feel like my head is moving forward and down just so that it will only move up and back just a little bit.  It is difficult to overcome.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It feel very uncomfortable, and I think that's when I'm making a correct pivot. I will say that after hitting half a bucket or so, it does seem MUCH easier to get back to a proper impact position.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Here's a drill that should give you a feel of how a good back swing feels. Basically, the feel that I get is might right side gets a good stretch at the top. I also focus on keeping my head steady.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Originally Posted by SoundandFury

Can anyone describe what this movement should actually feel like? I almost feel like I'm too "on top of the ball", almost like a stack and tilt swing (though I can feel the weight/tension on the inside of my back foot).

A few things, quickly...

  1. Feels vary from player to player. The best way to derive your feel is to force yourself to do the mechanics properly (even at 1% speed) and see what you feel.

  2. Brian did tell you " You can do the drills I mentioned in the video or come up with your own, but I'd definitely suggest starting with some mirror work just to get a good grasp of it." So please try that. I didn't watch his video but the suggestion of mirror work speaks to #1 here.

  3. Feel free to submit another video in evolvr showing yourself doing some of the drills and asking if they're being done properly. :)

  4. I watched your first video and will simply add the feeling of stretching the right side (particularly your knee, which it appears you're trying to keep in the same flex, like a Monty/Sergio swing) and letting your right back pocket "wipe" forward against a wall if there was one behind you there.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Been doing the mirror drill a bunch, I get that and can replicate the feeling fairly easily without a club in my hands. When I add the club however, it gets a bit trickier. 2/3 of the time it feels right, albeit awkward since it's a big swing change. The rest of the time though I feel like I'm reverse pivoting and my timing goes to hell. Probably just need more repetitions to get it down. I will say that my contact is much, much better. When I pivot (what I think is) correctly, the ball is right where it's supposed to be and the club head just seems to find it on its own. Finally, after hitting a bucket at the range, I realized my left side and lower back is sore (in a good way). I'm thinking this is a good thing; I'm using the muscles correctly and making a strong pivot rather than swaying off the ball.
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Originally Posted by SoundandFury

The rest of the time though I feel like I'm reverse pivoting and my timing goes to hell. Probably just need more repetitions to get it down.

It's possible, so do work in a mirror or with a club or something just barely touching your head (either side) to detect any forward motion of your head during the backswing (a bad thing).

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by iacas

Feel free to submit another video in evolvr showing yourself doing some of the drills and asking if they're being done properly. :)

Agree strongly with all of Erik's points especially this one

Yes as we say a lot on here "feel isn't real".  Like Erik said, feels are different from player to player.  Some people may need more "Monty" while others need more Zach Johnson, referring to the hips on the backswing.  If you've been translating the head to the right, feeling centered should feel very different at first.  Keep at it, great to hear you're seeing improvement in your ball striking.

Just to use an example of myself, look at the practice waggles I'm making compared to when I actually hit the ball (there's no volume).  So for me "normal" gets the club head too far inside on the take.  Getting in a decent position, at this time, feels like Rickie Fowler's takeaway on steroids

This player is feeling like he's NOT turning at all.  Not saying that you need to feel anything like the examples I just gave, but to illustrate how extreme some feels are to find a happy medium.

Originally Posted by RPMPIRE

Here's a drill that should give you a feel of how a good back swing feels. Basically, the feel that I get is might right side gets a good stretch at the top. I also focus on keeping my head steady.


Thanks for sharing, one of my favorites.  Put yourself in this position at the top and figure out how it feels to you
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Update: couple range sessions, and this is coming along nicely. The increase in consistent contact is phenomenal. Still hit one fat here and there, but only when I'm fatigued or lose focus. One thing that's been a very pleasant benefit is the increased distance. I don't consider mysf a short hitter (8i is my 150 club), but I'm seeing +10 yards per club with the proper hip turn. Pretty stoked.
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • 2016 TST Partners

    GAME Golf
    PING Golf
    Lowest Score Wins
  • Posts

    • The length of the driving range is limited by houses and a road. So the ball flight is way shorter as with normal balls. So what reads 200 yards on the driving range in reality is much shorter. But I think this does not really matter for now. What I found out is the following. When doing my grip I twist my left wrist extremly to the right. At impact this delofts my clubs a big time. The head is very closed. The iron 7 I was talking about at least becomes an iron 4 loftwise ( i am judging this by eye on comparing to my other clubs). So now numbers maybe begin to make sense. Loftwise we are talking about an iron 4. What happens to the driver is that it even gets a negative loft which explains why balls just go up in the air with a very long tee. The 3 wood on the other hand gets the loft the driver should have. So this makes the longest shots. This is also explains why I had a very hard time hitting my hybrid. This hybrid (4 iron) becomes something like a club with loft 0.  So probably I am twisting my wrist to much ( there is a special term for this hand position which I don't remember). But this gives me 2 advantages. 1) I don't slice the ball with the driver 2) It is easier to hit down on the ball with the iron for me. Before this I had the wrist turned to the left (I think this is called neutral grip) which did not work at all for me. So I think in general this hand position helps a lot when not overdoing it. The V of the left hand index and middle finder should point to the right shoulder as far as I know. My V pointed right of my shoulder. I will tweak this position a bit. I think I am just overdoing it at the moment. I am pretty sure the iron 7 distance will get down when doing this and the driver distance will get up. We will see.
    • How many softball questions get lobbed at each candidate? How many times will Trump say "Believe me!" and "It's like incredible" the word "tremendous" and "Crooked Hillary" How many times Hillary will dance around the e-mail scandal? Will Hillary blow up? Will Hillary challenge Trump to do arithmetic? Or will that be out of bounds? It will be interesting to hear how lowering taxes on the rich and lowering corporate taxes will balance the budget - I've heard that whopper before. Will Trump challenge Hillary on the 2nd amendment? Will Hillary challenge Trump on his pandering to the religious right with the "freedom of speech and religion" proposal to allow discrimination against GLBT people.  Will either of them persuade me to not vote for Gary Johnson?
    • Haha, I've done that while walking.  The thing that made it embarrassing for me is I did it 2 or 3 times in the same round before I finally started catching myself.
    • I think there's a large old thread exactly like this already actually, just need to dig it up. Anyway, weirdest I've encountered was people rolling a cart.  I've also hit 2 geese myself (both with drives).
    • A few weeks ago I stumbled across something that seems to have helped me a great deal.  Towards the end of a round I was fatigued and playing kinda sloppy and when addressing a ball my left leg popped into a locked straight position and I said screw it and swung away.  I ended up smoking the ball crisp and straight.  I tried it off and on several times during my next round and had similar great results.  Now I've been doing it all the time and it seems to be a genuinely good thing. I did a internet search of locked legs when I got home from playing today and all the links seemed to refer to locking the back leg and implied it was generally a bad thing.  There didn't seem to be any mention of locking the front leg.  This makes me think I might be teaching myself something unnatural and bad.  I pretty sure I'm maintaining the locked leg (back leg stays loose) all the way through the swing but I'd need to make a video to know for sure.  Anyway, my question is... does anyone else do this?  If not then does it sound like something that would be considered bad golf posture?
  • TST Blog Entries

  • Images

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. CoachB25
      CoachB25
      (59 years old)
    2. Fsgolfer
      Fsgolfer
      (60 years old)
  • Blog Entries