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For me, the exact opposite was true.  My elbow used to get stuck back on my hip (like she demonstrates) and my swing was out to in.  When I worked on getting my elbow in the correct position, my swing became in to out.  I think this tip would promote an out to in swing in most people who do not slide their hips forward enough.  The only way to get to the ball, while your hips rotate, is to come over the top.

Add to that her elbow position is much more in front of her at impact as Jamo's photo shows.

I assume by slice, she means a ball that starts left with an out to in swing and curves back right and not a push fade.

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I would point out a few things: 1) Tiger's more pitchy than she is. 2) She's not nearly as punchy as she describes. Plus she's got a reasonable turning rate (and I believe she hits a pull-fade in the video).

That makes sense.

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I didn't realize this tip was also in the magazine. In looking at the tip in the magazine, I would fairly confidently wager that she believes the ball finishes where the clubface is pointing and starts on the path.

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Even from those pictures, it looks like the complete opposite of what she is saying. It looks to me like the clubface came through more closed or square for the picture on the left, and was hanging open for the picture on the right.

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I would say that the elbow moving more out away from the hip would get the club traveling more OUTward. This would then produce more of a draw shot then a slice.

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Originally Posted by iacas

Do they? How does the elbow move if the torso simply turns? Wouldn't it just stay where it is, or perhaps even lag farther behind? Not moving the torso and just moving the arms would get the elbow more down in front, IMO.

I agree with part of your last sentence i.e. not moving the torso and just moving the arms would get the elbow more down but not in front. I don't know how a golfer can turn their torso and keep their elbow where it is. Surely it is forced to move around and out in front of the body?

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Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

I agree with part of your last sentence i.e. not moving the torso and just moving the arms would get the elbow more down but not in front. I don't know how a golfer can turn their torso and keep their elbow where it is. Surely it is forced to move around and out in front of the body?

Just as you can get your right elbow too far behind you on the backswing, you can retract the shoulder and get the elbow back behind you by rotating the torso and "leaving the elbow there" during the downswing. You can't do it much - because your shoulder won't retract a ton - but you can make it get farther behind, yes. Absolutely.

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Originally Posted by iacas

Just as you can get your right elbow too far behind you on the backswing, you can retract the shoulder and get the elbow back behind you by rotating the torso and "leaving the elbow there" during the downswing. You can't do it much - because your shoulder won't retract a ton - but you can make it get farther behind, yes. Absolutely.

Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

I agree with part of your last sentence i.e. not moving the torso and just moving the arms would get the elbow more down but not in front. I don't know how a golfer can turn their torso and keep their elbow where it is. Surely it is forced to move around and out in front of the body?

Isn't "getting stuck" getting the elbow too far behind?

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This is from an other thread. Is this a better drill/example for the same problem?

Originally Posted by mvmac

This drill prob works for Vijay because it helps his swings feel more "around" on the downswing/followthrough and keep the upper right arm on the body. Vijay can get the right arm disconnected too soon, elbow too far behind him. Vijay also tends to play a cut or at least that was 95% of the shots I was seeing him hit during two range sessions.

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Isn't this is why her trail leg bends (and foot lifts off the ground early) toward the ball - because the club isn't getting slotted properly for the downswing... The right elbow is on her side and doesn't have room to pass through at impact.  So your trail leg/foot breaksdown.

I think this is an example of jackassery instruction to be honest...

Carry-on.

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Originally Posted by MacDutch

This is from an other thread. Is this a better drill/example for the same problem?

Probably not. The stated problem in the video is a slice. What Vijay/O'Hair are working on is almost the opposite.

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Watch this video and surprised.  It's a punch elbow (and usually for hitters?).  She said it will create straighter shot, but what happen if you turn your hip too fast, your elbow stuck, => pull shot, slice etc?  Totally contradict to elbow position for creating lag.

Do you agree on what is taught or is this a good fix for some particular players?

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Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond

She is describing a feel - an exaggeration.

I must add that I don't like this "tip."

I would forget it ... if the idea is to keep the right elbow back during the downswing, there are better ways to explain. But to explain it as  a backswing thought, I believe, is a poor idea ... and unacceptable.

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