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2013 Masters Discussion Thread, Update with Tiger's Illegal Drop (Post #343)

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From a friend of Tiger: “More than the physical and swing-wise, he’s just not working on anything . He’s not worried about his swing, he’s worried about the score. He’s

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Heh. They realize that they wrote these rules, right? It's not like Bobby Jones dug up a piece of papyrus under the 12th green during construction telling him, "thou shalt not feature the same player

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If you think "that doesn't look like much" consider how wide his feet look - TV compresses things. That's 2-3 yards.

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I didn't see it specified in the rule that the drop couldn't be closer to the hole, just that it be as nearly as possible....is there another rule that says this drop can't be closer?

Rule 20-2(c): [QUOTE] A dropped ball must be re-dropped, without penalty, if it: ... (vii) rolls and comes to rest nearer the hole than: ... (b) the nearest point of relief or maximum available relief (Rule 24-2, 25-1 or 25-3); or [/QUOTE]

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Another dumb question -- is this DQ or nothing, or could they adjust the card?

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Originally Posted by BallStriker

Another dumb question -- is this DQ or nothing, or could they adjust the card?

Card's signed. DQ or nada.

At the very least I expect to see the Decisions updated in 2014 with a definition for the word "nearly."

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Once you sign a scorecard, it's written in stone. If this comes out as a misstep by Tiger, then he's DQ'd. At least, as far as I know.

This makes me sick to my stomach.

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Another dumb question -- is this DQ or nothing, or could they adjust the card?

DQ or nothing, he signed the card. I still doubt we'll see him DQed. Under strict rules observation, yeah, he probably broke it, but "as close as possible" is still subjective enough to some degree. (Also, DQed sounds like Dairy Queen-ed. Mmmmmmm.)

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Originally Posted by jamo

DQ or nothing, he signed the card.

I still doubt we'll see him DQed. Under strict rules observation, yeah, he probably broke it, but "as close as possible" is still subjective enough to some degree.

(Also, DQed sounds like Dairy Queen-ed. Mmmmmmm.)

God I hope so. I really hope he is allowed to stay in the tournament. Plus, what a shitstorm this'll bring. Never good.

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For everyone discuss the rule as close as possible to the last shot. I have attended multiple USGA rules seminars and surprise this always comes up. Everyone conducting the seminar stated its mainly to protect players that walked away from the shot. Also they don't want a player dropping it in their own divot. I know the divot is actually in front of the ball but let's not get into this. What they also said was a couple inches to avoid where you previously hit from. Someone once asked a club away and they said that wouldn't be acceptable.
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Originally Posted by jbishop15

God I hope so. I really hope he is allowed to stay in the tournament. Plus, what a shitstorm this'll bring. Never good.

And if he wins, people will claim it has an asterisk or that he "cheated" or goodness knows what.

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When would they have to make a decision by? Before he tees off tomorrow or just before the end of the tournament?

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Originally Posted by iacas

And if he wins, people will claim it has an asterisk or that he "cheated" or goodness knows what.

Yeah, that would suck terribly.

If he broke the rules, he broke the rules. But I really hope the officials determine that he didn't.

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According to Sobel, Bubba is going off tomorrow morning first as a single. Got to think he won't be able to resist hamming it up with the crowd a bit. Bubba golf to the extreme!

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this is a debate that will never go away:

- let Tiger play, and as pointed out earlier it will forever be argued that he should have been DQ'd

- DQ Tiger and it will forever be argued that he could/would have won and had yet another major

Players play, tough players win!

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I'm trying to find this on other media outlets, but it's not there. Very strange. You think someone would hear this and fall all over themselves to report it.

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There is absolutely ZERO chance Tiger gets DQ'd. Come on people. Do you think they will take Tiger out of the Masters with him vying for the lead going into the weekend? I'd say the chances of him getting DQ'd are about the same as Tianlang getting his penalty stroke back. FWIW, I do think Tiger broke the rule.
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