My Swing (Jeremie Boop)

[Jeremie Boop]

My guess is that your distance will improve. Did the strike feel more solid?

On pretty much every shot I didn't hit fat it felt pretty good. Especially with the fact that I was hitting an old blade, I could tell my strike was a lot better. It took me a couple swings to realize why I was hitting it to the right then remembered it had no offset. Once I squared up the face I was right on line. Now I'm looking at buying some RazrX Tour irons with ds-g 300 stiff shafts. I'm pretty curious as to what I'll get to work on next.

More distance.... Not something I was looking for, but as long as it comes with more consistency that's all that really matters.

[saevel25]

On pretty much every shot I didn't hit fat it felt pretty good. Especially with the fact that I was hitting an old blade, I could tell my strike was a lot better. It took me a couple swings to realize why I was hitting it to the right then remembered it had no offset. Once I squared up the face I was right on line. Now I'm looking at buying some RazrX Tour irons with ds-g 300 stiff shafts. I'm pretty curious as to what I'll get to work on next.

More distance.... Not something I was looking for, but as long as it comes with more consistency that's all that really matters.

When you get the swing more consistent you will have more power with less effort. @cipher was right when he posted him thread about gaining 10 yards in iron shots. That one par 3 yesterday I cranked that 9 iron 10 yards farther.

I think the DG S300's will be a golf shaft right in your area. A lot of good players play DG's.

Keep up the good work!!! If you find yourself hitting bad shots on the course, just really focus on that half swing feel, and look for solid contact. Even I still get caught overswinging a bit on the course. Its a change that will take time to make automatic.

[Jeremie Boop]

Jeremie, take this the right way please: fix this, and then you can begin working on your downswing sequencing (hips don't move forward much, hands late). Those will likely improve if you can feel like you stop here, but then you can begin to work on that massive flip, which is almost the entire reason you're whatever handicap you are right now.

MAKE yourself do this.

Shouldn't take long. Then you can begin working on the downswing pieces.

Ok, @iacas , I think I have the shortened backswing figured out, per my video and snapshots. Is there a certain amount of time you want me to keep working on that specific piece or is there a downswing piece I should start on now? I have a lot more time on my hands now that I'm on my own again, and having something to keep focused on will help me keep my mind off of being single again.

[Abu3baid]

I think you are on the right track, but I think that when you were trying to shorten your swing you might have inadvertently limited your hip turn on the BS.. almost like an artificial shortening of the BS.  It looks to me like you are coming down a lot steeper on the DS because of this, and this is forcing you into the flip, because if you don't flip it (to shallow out the club at the last second) you would be digging deep into the ground.

Below is a video that I have been watching and I have been practicing the same exact move my self for the past 3 days or so, and it has helped me with getting into the correct position at the top of the backswing, and feel full without the need to limit my hips nor go crazy with how far back I go..  I think you should take a video doing this drill and then look at your position at the top, and see if you can copy it without the drill?

p.s.  I could be wrong with all that I have said above, but since I know this thread is being watched by @iacas I know he will have no issue correcting me if I'm wrong!

[iacas]

Ok, @iacas, I think I have the shortened backswing figured out, per my video and snapshots. Is there a certain amount of time you want me to keep working on that specific piece or is there a downswing piece I should start on now? I have a lot more time on my hands now that I'm on my own again, and having something to keep focused on will help me keep my mind off of being single again.

What Eyad said has some truth to it.

I'd prefer to see you get there with a bit more turning and a bit less "arm motion" - the ratio is a bit off right now and favors arm motion over turning.

But… if you were a student and you came to me with this swing, I don't think we'd do that before we attacked the downswing.

So… do I think people can "get" things in a day? Sometimes, but they're usually setup (static) pieces. Stick with this for a week (or feel like your backswing is still short but accomplished via more turn and less arms, if you could please), and then tag me next weekend and I'll get you on to the next piece.

P.S. This is a positive. A week to do something is a very short period of time. I'm not slow playing you… I often don't see students for a few months between lessons because change takes time. A week is a VERY short period of time.

[Jeremie Boop]

Ok, I'll work on this more. What I am understanding from those 2 pictures is on the left is where I should focus on hip turn to get to where I am on the right? I seem to have more upper body twist to get to the top than lower body. When I compare top of the backswing dtl pictures my chest in both pictures seems to be turned the same amount. Probably would have helped to have my shirt tucked in so my belt buckle would be a good reference. This shouldn't be too hard to work on with some slow motion work making sure to have a belt on to track the hip turn.. I will keep working on this for the next week and post another update then.

I think partially my hip rotation is less because previously it was a byproduct of my upper body turning so much it forced my lower body to turn and now I'll have to actually do it intentionally.

[Jeremie Boop]

I've been stuck in the same lesson and drills for probably close to 6 months now.  So ... ;)

I'm pretty sure that once you get down to lower handicaps *single digit is low to me* it takes much more time to integrate the changes from lessons. By that time I'm thinking they are trying to fix smaller issues that are much harder to nail down.

[boogielicious]

I'm pretty sure that once you get down to lower handicaps *single digit is low to me* it takes much more time to integrate the changes from lessons. By that time I'm thinking they are trying to fix smaller issues that are much harder to nail down.

Just be careful when you move on the the next priority piece.  Sometimes we lose focus on the previous piece.  Your first priority is shortening your swing.  I would suggests the first 5 minutes of your practice session should be focused on this as a warm up to the next part.  I do this so I don't lose Keys 1 and 2, which I have worked on in the past.

[Jeremie Boop]

Just be careful when you move on the the next priority piece.  Sometimes we lose focus on the previous piece.  Your first priority is shortening your swing.  I would suggests the first 5 minutes of your practice session should be focused on this as a warm up to the next part.  I do this so I don't lose Keys 1 and 2, which I have worked on in the past.

Ah, I have not doubt that the long backswing will try to creep back in. But I keep watch on everything I've worked on to make sure I don't backslide. I'm planning on buying one of those nets that I can put up in the garage for this winter so I don't have to start all over again next year. I may get 2 of the canon cameras to set up dtl and face on while practicing so I can just hit balls without shuffling the cameras around.

My point in general was just that I can see how people who are pretty far along in their swing progression start hitting things that are harder to integrate as opposed to those of us who are just starting out and are making pretty easy changes by comparison.

[iacas]

Ok, I'll work on this more. What I am understanding from those 2 pictures is on the left is where I should focus on hip turn to get to where I am on the right? I seem to have more upper body twist to get to the top than lower body.

No, those pictures illustrate that you over-use your arms a bit and under-use your turns (both hips and torso) to get to the top.

Same clubhead and arm position (and thus the same shaft position), but less use of the arms to get them there, and more use of the turning rates to get there.

They're just two photos of the same swing to show that the turning rates are slow relative to the arms.

When I compare top of the backswing dtl pictures my chest in both pictures seems to be turned the same amount.

Compare:

[Jeremie Boop]

Ok, I see how much less turn I have in those comparisons. The one thing I notice though is my wrist cock is a lot more pronounced which will make it harder to keep the same club position if I get that much body turn. I don't know if that will make it harder to actually hit the correct club position at the top or not.

[johnmack]

would be interesting to compare the next few frames.. I notice Tw's right knee bowed in .. yours out..  john m

[iacas]

Ok, I see how much less turn I have in those comparisons. The one thing I notice though is my wrist cock is a lot more pronounced which will make it harder to keep the same club position if I get that much body turn. I don't know if that will make it harder to actually hit the correct club position at the top or not.

Yes. It also cups your wrist, leading to downswing problems.

[Jeremie Boop]

Yes. It also cups your wrist, leading to downswing problems.

Is this something I need to work on in conjunction with the body turn then to make sure I'm actually hitting the correct position at the top?

[iacas]

You will work on it by doing the backswing properly. But it is mostly a downswing piece. Get the club head and your hands and arms to the same position while using more turn and less arms. Less arms also means less wrists.

[Jeremie Boop]

Ok, good to know, I'll revisit the thread next week with an updated video. Unless I'm having issues then I'll update with a video of me working on getting to the right position for pointers if I'm doing it wrong.

[Jeremie Boop]

Ok, just a quick update, I was working on the drill that Eyad posted and it seems like increasing my lower back twist is causing me some pain in the area where I have the rods and pins in my back. I don't know if this is because it's a new position and my body just needs to get used to it or if it's a physical stopping point I'm trying to get beyond. I will keep testing this to see how far I can go without the pain starting.

Also, I noticed there was some movement of my head down as I increased my body turn and my left leg bent forward. It seems like Tiger also has some lateral movement of his head in the pictures also. Does this mean it is normal and ok for that to happen or should I work to minimize that?

[iacas]

Ok, just a quick update, I was working on the drill that Eyad posted and it seems like increasing my lower back twist is causing me some pain in the area where I have the rods and pins in my back. I don't know if this is because it's a new position and my body just needs to get used to it or if it's a physical stopping point I'm trying to get beyond. I will keep testing this to see how far I can go without the pain starting.

Also, I noticed there was some movement of my head down as I increased my body turn and my left leg bent forward. It seems like Tiger also has some lateral movement of his head in the pictures also. Does this mean it is normal and ok for that to happen or should I work to minimize that?

I wouldn't worry about that drill much, but video is better than descriptions. Mind your camera angles and get some video if you could…