My Swing (nick1998bunker)

[nick1998bunker]

I know about that I was just pointing it out because I think hitting the top usually lowers spin. But even when I hit it right it is still in the 3600-4000 range... And I would preceding at about 3000 or less

[Golfingdad]

It has been mentioned before in other threads you have been in, hit the ball with a POSITIVE angle of attack. If your hitting the top of your driver means that you are hitting down on the ball steeply.

I know about that I was just pointing it out because I think hitting the top usually lowers spin. But even when I hit it right it is still in the 3600-4000 range... And I would preceding at about 3000 or less

But you can still have a lot less spin than that without a positive angle of attack.  I have been on Trackman (only once with a driver) and was somewhere in the -3 range on attack angle, and I don't remember, but I want to say around 12 for my launch angle ... and I was well under 3k spin.  I think the best ones were under 2500 even (and those were carrying close to 280).

So, I don't know what it is, but it's certainly not all about attack angle.

[mvmac]

Does anyone know how to lower spin rates with driver?

I trick the combine today and noticed my lowest spin was something like 3600 rpm and my highest was 5100... I was even striking them off the top.

We have me swinging -1 degrees to 2 degrees of attack with about 13 degrees of launch. Any advice to lower spin

Should I swing 3+ degrees up but with a more delofted face to get the 13 launch with less dynamic loft?

Get the aoa positive

http://thesandtrap.com/t/44307/hitting-up-or-down-with-the-driver-in-an-inline-pattern

[nick1998bunker]

What generates spin? Even when I hit one perfectly centered its in the 3600-3800 range

[saevel25]

Club head speed plus the difference between attack angle and dynamic loft, generally.

Dynamic loft is basically effective loft. It takes the loft on the club and changes it to what your swing produces. For example, if you lean your hands forward, your decreasing loft. So a club might say 30 degrees, but it might return to 22 degrees at impact.

Generally speaking, if you hit up on the ball, positive angle of attack, your decreasing that angle, so less spin.

Though, the golf strike is more complex, you can get situations were hitting down might register a lower spin rate. But, as a rule of thumb hitting upward decreases spin.

[c peterich]

I'm so out of the loop...this trackman looks intriguing,,, I did a google search, closest place we have for the public to use trackman is 2.5 hrs away.. What about skypro or swingbyte?

[nick1998bunker]

So would a 4 degree driver swinging up 3 degrees help? What about my level swing with a delighted club? What would you do?

[saevel25]

Just looked at your driver swing earlier in the thread. Your pretty good at getting your hands forward in the swing. I think it might be ball position.

Lay a stick down on the ground, straight away from you. Then place your left foot against it, the stick being on the inside. Then tee the ball up at or ahead of that position.

Usually for me, I use a standard tee height, and I have it so the bottom 1/4th of the ball is bellow the crown of the clubface, but I ground the club at address.

When you line up to the ball, your head will still be centered in your stance. Your hands should be closer to your left thigh, not towards the center of your stance. From their make your swing, maintaining a steady head. It should feel like your really behind the ball. your right shoulder will be tilted lower than the left. From here you will probably hit a slight pull fade to straight fade because of the ball position. So to hit a draw you would want to keep the same ball position, but aim slightly to the right to push the path further right.

[mvmac]

So would a 4 degree driver swinging up 3 degrees help?

What about my level swing with a delighted club?

What would you do?

Don't see what the confusion is.  Play the ball in front of the left shoulder and see what happens.  Yes a positive aoa compared to a negative aoa will help, very good chance you'll hit it farther.  Have no idea what you mean by 4 degree driver.

[nick1998bunker]

Don't see what the confusion is.  Play the ball in front of the left shoulder and see what happens.  Yes a positive aoa compared to a negative aoa will help, very good chance you'll hit it farther.  Have no idea what you mean by 4 degree driver.

I meant 4 degrees of loft [quote name="saevel25" url="/t/69623/my-swing-nick1998bunker#post_912088"]Just looked at your driver swing earlier in the thread. Your pretty good at getting your hands forward in the swing. I think it might be ball position. Lay a stick down on the ground, straight away from you. Then place your left foot against it, the stick being on the inside. Then tee the ball up at or ahead of that position. Usually for me, I use a standard tee height, and I have it so the bottom 1/4th of the ball is bellow the crown of the clubface, but I ground the club at address.  When you line up to the ball, your head will still be centered in your stance. Your hands should be closer to your left thigh, not towards the center of your stance. From their make your swing, maintaining a steady head. It should feel like your really behind the ball. your right shoulder will be tilted lower than the left. From here you will probably hit a slight pull fade to straight fade because of the ball position. So to hit a draw you would want to keep the same ball position, but aim slightly to the right to push the path further right. [/quote] I understand that but it dosnt answer my question about spin. Those are also old swings. I don't understand what you are trying to get at?

[saevel25]

Here's the thing, we are all looking for distance right? So what do you need for distance, a proper launch angle, optimal spin rate, and club head speed. How you get this depends on your club head speed. You swing pretty fast, so most of your distance can be made up due to pure ball speed. Slower ball speeds need more spin to optimize their carry.

Launch angle is a few degrees under the effective loft. Effective loft being the dynamic loft, the loft of the club at impact. This can change a bit depending on angle of attack, hitting down lowers the launch angle.

So what causes spin, the spin loft. That is the difference between the dynamic (effective) loft and angle of attack. So if you hit down, your going to increase the spin loft. If you hit up, you decrease spin loft.

If you have a 4 degree driver and hit up on it 3 degrees, you'll probably hit a shot that goes very very low, and probably ends up being a fraction of your normal distance.

You probably want to get a driver that will launch the ball at about 12-13 degrees. So your looking at one that gives you a dynamic loft around 12-13, then hitting up on the ball, will decrease the spin rate so you can get that good launch with a boring trajectory.

[nick1998bunker]

Ok I understand I have my driver set to 7.5 degrees- when I swing up 2 degrees I launch it at 16 degrees with 3600rpm. How should I lower the aoa and dynamic loft difference? Is it better to get a different club?

[saevel25]

Well if your launching it at 16 degrees, with a golf club set at 7.5 degrees. That means your adding nearly 8 degrees of loft to your golf swing. I would seriously consider check out if your golf shaft is not fitted for you. If your only hitting up 2 degrees, then your swing should be pretty shallow and should have a lower ball flight. Something tells me its either your swing that is off, your adding loft by flipping the club. Or, your golf shaft is wrong.

[nick1998bunker]

Rocket fuel 50 Stiff

[saevel25]

Yea you basically got a light weight golf shaft that has a mid launch kick. If your hitting the ball with that ball speed, you should be looking at something heavier, stiffer, and with a low kick point. This will lower that Dynamic Loft and reduce the spin.

[nick1998bunker]

Yeah I would if I could I think the weight is fine because I'm not as strong as an adult but I think the driver is designed for high launch and spin. The head seams heavy though, it feels about the same as my 910 with 70 gram shaft I beleive

[saevel25]

Probably because of the swing weight. If you can hit a 910 with a 70 gram shaft, you can go back up to that. 910 is one of the heavier club heads, and a 70+ gram shaft is pretty heavy for today's drivers.

[nick1998bunker]

Probably because of the swing weight. If you can hit a 910 with a 70 gram shaft, you can go back up to that. 910 is one of the heavier club heads, and a 70+ gram shaft is pretty heavy for today's drivers.

Well maybe I'm wrong. I thought I had a 50 and a 60 or 70 and a 80 and the 80 wasn't terribly heavy