Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
GolfGuy123

Hip Action in Golf Swing

8 posts in this topic

Ok so...I was at the range today - pretty much working on drawing the ball and getting my weight over the front foot / left side. Was having issues doing so (as usual), so I started making a bunch of practice swings in very slow motion to see if I can notice WHAT is is stoping me from getting my weight over / hanging back and flipping the club etc. I realized I have very little hip action in my swing, I am very flexible and have no problem getting my back to the target, shoulder under chin etc. but when I unwind, I noticed I pretty much am just using the muscles in my back, arms and chest to swing the club down....very little of the movement was being generated from my hips / legs...SO...

I came up with a drill (if this is already a real drill please dont bark at me lol! Im saying I came up with it because I came up with it on the spot and I have never heard of it, seen anyone do it, been instructed to do it etc.), anyways I took my normal setup, alignment etc. and absolutely 100% forced my self to make the swing using NOTHING but my waist / leg muscles (but more so just waist). At first it was very hard because I kept wanting to muscle the club (which is obviously my problem) but after 5-10 mins, I started making swings 100% using only my waist. I didnt even realize you can get the club to top of backwing that way!!! Anyways, the reason Im excited and in somewhat disbelief is because...every shot I hit doing this was striped, center of club face, down the middle or slight draw, 225-235 yards (my 3 wood). I kid you not, once I got the drill down (to the point as I mentioned, was using 100% waist, legs, and I guess weight transfer via waist leg muscles) I hit about 25 balls and all of them were perfect.

1) If you were just looking at my swing even though I was only using hips etc. during the drill, you probably would not know, I didnt video it, but from what I can tell it would look like a normal swing from the outside. BUT is this a reliable way to swing during a round or just a good drill?

2) assuming, sure this might be a good drill but dont play a round doing it - then what are the best ways to practice syncing up the upper body arm movement with the above described action?

3) Based on the fact that I was hitting em really bad before this drill today on the range and then perfect when doing the drill on the range - could you extrapolate that weight transfer and hip movement is/was one of my major issues?

All replies, comments, questions are welcome!

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

I think it's valid, because that's the feel I use in my swing now. It helps me with some backswing issues I've had, along with sequencing issues in the downswing. I can go into details if you'd like, but I'm away from my computer atm and it's kind of hard on my phone. Btw, I think if you practice a drill for a feel, the point is to get that feel incorporated into your actual swing. You wouldn't want to practice swinging with your legs and play by swinging with your arms because you'd just be using your old swing and not making any changes at all.
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I think it's valid, because that's the feel I use in my swing now. It helps me with some backswing issues I've had, along with sequencing issues in the downswing. I can go into details if you'd like, but I'm away from my computer atm and it's kind of hard on my phone.

Btw, I think if you practice a drill for a feel, the point is to get that feel incorporated into your actual swing. You wouldn't want to practice swinging with your legs and play by swinging with your arms because you'd just be using your old swing and not making any changes at all.

very true! would really like to hear more details, especially on what you worked on for sequencing when you can type 'em up.

I guess one of the other points I was trying to get at was, I this drill swing (using hips, legs etc.) even a real golf swing? I mean, I know some people will say whatever works, works and just do it. But, Im not sure if there is any teaching pro who would recommend not using arm,back, etc muscles to fuel / power the swing? Maybe im wrong in that assumption? Days like today feel like, im either using way too much upper body and hitting all over the place (plus fat, thin etc) OR doing this drill and hitting it solid down the middle or slight draw (by my personal standards)

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

very true! would really like to hear more details, especially on what you worked on for sequencing when you can type 'em up.  I guess one of the other points I was trying to get at was, I this drill swing (using hips, legs etc.) even a real golf swing? I mean, I know some people will say whatever works, works and just do it. But, Im not sure if there is any teaching pro who would recommend not using arm,back, etc muscles to fuel / power the swing? Maybe im wrong in that assumption? Days like today feel like, im either using way too much upper body and hitting all over the place (plus fat, thin etc) OR doing this drill and hitting it solid down the middle or slight draw (by my personal standards)

You just feel like you're not using your upper body, but I'm sure you are. I'll definitely type something up for you later tonight. You mentioned that you have video capability, why don't you post your swing? I'll bet the legs only swing looks a lot more like a golf swing than you think, and your arm powered swing is probably overswinging. A lot of people think they need to feel powerful to hit the ball far and it usually does more harm than good. Edit: remember, the point of golf is to put the ball into the hole in as little strokes as possible, so I'd certainly advocate using the swing that lets you hit it solidly down the middle ;-)

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

You just feel like you're not using your upper body, but I'm sure you are. I'll definitely type something up for you later tonight. You mentioned that you have video capability, why don't you post your swing? I'll bet the legs only swing looks a lot more like a golf swing than you think, and your arm powered swing is probably overswinging. A lot of people think they need to feel powerful to hit the ball far and it usually does more harm than good. Edit: remember, the point of golf is to put the ball into the hole in as little strokes as possible, so I'd certainly advocate using the swing that lets you hit it solidly down the middle ;-)

Sounds great. I'm hoping if I continue to practice it - that it holds up and was not just some fluke today. I fall into the category of people who know muscling the club is bad and am aware the ball can go far with what feels like little effort but had the natural tendency to use arms etc too much. In other words, I'm not intentionally trying to be some big shot and blast it out of the park it's more so something that I fight in my swing and have a natural tendency towards. Guess if we all didn't have some bad tendencies we would all be scratch or close to it lol!

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not trying to rain on anyones parade- If the drill works great, keep at it -But obviously theres no way you were just using your waist.-Your waist would not get the club to the top of the backswing. Your arms and chest muscles ewere still being used-You just didnt feel like they were being used. Put your swing on a camera and post it.
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Not trying to rain on anyones parade- If the drill works great, keep at it -But obviously theres no way you were just using your waist.-Your waist would not get the club to the top of the backswing. Your arms and chest muscles ewere still being used-You just didnt feel like they were being used. Put your swing on a camera and post it.

cool. I will post one of what is my normal swing and one doing the drill where it "feels" like I am using waist / lower body.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok, @GolfGuy123 , I just want to point out beforehand that these are things that work for my swing and that they may or may not work for yours, depending on what issues you have, but it's hard to tell without a video. So again, when you read this, it is simply stuff that I do in MY swing that works for ME. A lot of the changes I've made for myself are the result of a lot of work on other aspects in my swing, so I don't want you to think that this is like some magic move that will solve everything.

I started using the legs as the key feel for me in my swing (I've tried numerous other feels, but this particular one gave me the best results). Basically, I push against the ground with my right foot to get to the top of the backswing. I needed to do this for two main reasons: I needed more extension to complete a centered pivot, and using my arms as the key feel in my backswing caused me to overswing. I feel like the arms just come along for the ride. The backswing ends when I reach the limit of my motion with the "leg turn." This keeps my arms from being overactive: lifting too far beyond the necessary range of motion and pulling my right elbow behind me.

From there, my feel is to "fall" towards the target. I really want to drive the left knee towards the target, and it feels like I'm falling into my left side, so that's how I describe it. This gives me that squatting move in the downswing that drops my hands and shallows the club. My old swing feel had me swinging too steeply and throwing away all of the lag in my swing prematurely; this move allows me to get more of my weight forward and retain the lag better (not great yet, still needs work, but I'm heading in the right direction). I finish my downswing by pushing down against the ground with my left knee (this feels like I'm trying to jump off of my left leg). This last move gets me the final extension in my swing.

There's a lot of other information that led me to make the changes that I made, so here are a few threads that I feel are relevant:

http://thesandtrap.com/t/54134/sequencing

http://thesandtrap.com/t/66573/how-to-effectively-create-lag-on-the-downswing

http://thesandtrap.com/t/64993/weight-forward-using-swingcatalyst-and-sam-balance-lab-to-explain-pressure-throughout-the-swing

I did a small breakdown of the pressure video for another member which got me in this direction in the first place, so I'll link it here:

http://thesandtrap.com/t/71610/foot-pain#post_931921

I realized I couldn't replicate the pressure movements that Grant Waite produced with my own arm-oriented swing at the time, so that's when I really made the switch. Also, watch the video that @mvmac posted right after that because it really highlights the leg action.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • 2017 TST Partners

    PING Golf
    Leupold Golf
    Snell Golf
    Talamore Golf Resort
    Lowest Score Wins
  • Posts

    • Didn't know if I could mention it by name, but we know who. Many people share this experience.They promise a check instead of credit to use. Send in my clubs 2 months ago. They were accepted and approved 6 weeks ago. I emailed about the check 2 weeks ago. "Oh, it's on the way tomorrow".  I will call tomorrow.  However, they either have a cash flow problem, or they wait to sell your clubs before paying you out.  Said to see because the umbrella companies are awesome. Just be honest and tell me it may take two months
    • Here in USA, the KBS Tour S-flex shafts go for about $27 each new. If you get AP2 714 model, a 4-PW (?) reshaft would require $189 + tax to get shafts. Add $15 per club for shaft swap, and $10 per for new grips, and it's about $365 + tax. The KBS Tour stiff would be a few grams lighter and slightly stiffer than the S300 which often come as stock for the AP2. OTH is on target, consider this too.
    • I had a big long post going and lost it. The game of golf has only one set of rules per continent. The equipment used is well defined as far as legal, or illegal. The other sports you mentioned are dealing more with different age groups, physical sizes, and skill levels. Sure, golf has players of all ages, sizes, and skill levels too. Golf also has one set of rules, and one playing field with differences in length. Difference is baseball has tee ball. Football has different leagues based on age groups, and it's the same  for basketball. These sports cater to the needs of their players based on their age groups, and skill levels. This also includes the playing fields, and equipment they use. So in that respect I have no problem with what other sports are doing. 
    • 2/23: Feeling encouraged. I think I've got the (worse than usual) weight-shift/head movement mystery solved, or at least "identified" with a much better understanding of it (and a confirmation that it's always been there ). Getting better at the process I think...(1) noticing a problem but not knowing the why, (2) Slowing down and checking keys 1-3, and (3) "going back to my first lesson" so to speak by reviewing old video and my swing posts, and slowly "backing up" from the problem to try and identify the (chain of) cause(s). Today's practice: 10 minutes of good ol' wall drill, with original focus of getting my right hip away from the wall but with added attention paid to my upper body and (actually getting some) secondary axis tilt. Several slow and medium-speed reps of this pausing for feel and thinking about and practicing how I'd transition into the downswing. Then 6-8 minutes outside... Just two "reps" of 3-4 minutes slow-motion back- and downswings (hip, axis tilt, weight shift (and resulting proper better club path ) and then an easy-swing full shot with my 56o. So I only hit two shots and both were perfect, high draws.
    • Cobra Bio Cell + set at 15 degrees I am very confident with this club.  My 4 iron goes about 190 and my 3h goes 200-210.  Anything more than that (in the 220-230 range) is this club.  I have hit some very accurate shots with it and feel very comfortable with it.  In the first round this season, I have plopped one from 225 out within 15 feet from the pin.  I may change my driver this year but I get the feeling this club along with my hybrid (also a Bio Cell +) will be around for a long time
  • TST Blog Entries

  • Blog Entries

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. bluebaws82
      bluebaws82
      (35 years old)
    2. g30rg35m1th
      g30rg35m1th
      (17 years old)
    3. Otis2014
      Otis2014
      (54 years old)
    4. Phil Marsh
      Phil Marsh
      (46 years old)
    5. SMOOTH1
      SMOOTH1
      (55 years old)
  • Get Great Gear with Amazon