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Another one for me is any player that rambles on about his/her deity after winning. They never thank their deity after losing.

Non-religious folks don't thank their wife, caddy, or swing coach, or whoever else they believe helped them out when they lose either, so I'm not sure what your point is.

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Isn't this interesting. A guy (Simpson, Streelman, others) credits someone or something outside of himself and is considered him a jerk.  Another guy credits himself (Reed) and is considered a jerk. A

How we feel, makes us win or lose. Faith has a lot to do with how we feel, and gets us through a difficult task. If we believe in ourselves, our wives or coaches or all of them, that' fine. If

I would have to say the European Ryder Cup team .  Individually they all appear to be pretty nice fellas who were born somewhere else, but live in Florida now and are really Americans now by mo

Non-religious folks don't thank their wife, caddy, or swing coach, or whoever else they believe helped them out when they lose either, so I'm not sure what your point is.


My point is, there is no need to thank their deity, when there is no proof that any aforementioned deity exists, or had any impact what so ever. And if said deity is proved to exist, wouldn't it be part of said deity's plan anyway? So any sense of achievement is then worthless as it was pre planned.

The same can not be said for a swing coach, wife or caddy.

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Non-religious folks don't thank their wife, caddy, or swing coach, or whoever else they believe helped them out when they lose either, so I'm not sure what your point is.

My point is, there is no need to thank their deity, when there is no proof that any aforementioned deity exists, or had any impact what so ever.

The same can not be said for a swing coach, wife or caddy.

How we feel, makes us win or lose. Faith has a lot to do with how we feel, and gets us through a difficult task.

If we believe in ourselves, our wives or coaches or all of them, that' fine. If we believe in our deity over everything else, that's also fine.

Whatever gets us through this game (and life) is good.

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How we feel, makes us win or lose. Faith has a lot to do with how we feel, and gets us through a difficult task.

If we believe in ourselves, our wives or coaches or all of them, that' fine. If we believe in our deity over everything else, that's also fine.

Whatever gets us through this game (and life) is good.


I don't agree with this in the slightest, and the second highlighted part specifically - but this is not the thread for this.

:-)

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How we feel, makes us win or lose. Faith has a lot to do with how we feel, and gets us through a difficult task.

If we believe in ourselves, our wives or coaches or all of them, that' fine. If we believe in our deity over everything else, that's also fine.

Whatever gets us through this game (and life) is good.

I don't agree with this in the slightest, and the second highlighted part specifically - but this is not the thread for this.


Well, at least you didn't disagree with the third. ;-)

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I'd point out that the premise of this thread is different from those threads.

Meh, my answer is the same for all of those threads including this one...

IAN POULTER

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I'd point out that the premise of this thread is different from those threads.

Meh, my answer is the same for all of those threads including this one...

IAN POULTER

That's kind of why I posted those links.  Not so much because I wanted to be a fuddy duddy and complain about people complaining (there's some irony in there) ... but mostly because the difference between "hated," "hate the most," "least favorite," "can't stand," and "dislike" is negligible.

Almost everybody is going to give the same answers for this one that they gave in those others.  The top vote getters are always Poulter, Sabbatini, Sergio, Bubba, with a little Mickelson, Vijay, and even some Tiger thrown in for good measure.

And for the record, I'm still not really bothered by Poulter. ;-) Who I really can't stand, though, is Hideki Matsuyama!! :bugout:

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(Totally kidding, by the way.  About Matsuyama, that is.  Not kidding about Poulter) :beer:

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My point is, there is no need to thank their deity, when there is no proof that any aforementioned deity exists, or had any impact what so ever. And if said deity is proved to exist, wouldn't it be part of said deity's plan anyway? So any sense of achievement is then worthless as it was pre planned.

The same can not be said for a swing coach, wife or caddy.

Even if God won the tournament for you, you can still thank him for the check, trophy, invitation to Maui, and the two-year exemption.

How we feel, makes us win or lose. Faith has a lot to do with how we feel, and gets us through a difficult task.

If we believe in ourselves, our wives or coaches or all of them, that' fine. If we believe in our deity over everything else, that's also fine.

Whatever gets us through this game (and life) is good.

Agree with this.  A big part of the difference between winning and finishing in the top-5 on tour is how you handle stress and pressure.  Golfers do all sorts of logically irrelevant things to help them maintain confidence in spite of that pressure.  Wearing certain colors, playing a certain # on your ball, using a special coin as a marker--all superstitious things which have no direct physical influence over the angle of the clubface at impact.

http://www.positivementalimagery.com/news_letters/newsletter_edition.php?id=190

Even with no proof that God exists, or no personal faith, you can appreciate how belief in an abstract power helps lots of golfers.  If that golfer's talisman happens to be his faith, why should he suddenly be despised?  I've never heard anyone say "Tiger is such an idiot for wearing black and red every Sunday," or "Ernie Els is nuts for thinking he can't birdie two holes with the same ball."

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always amazes me how little tolerance those without faith have in relation to those who do.     In any event, I would have to say Vijay.     I've NEVER seen him smile on the golf course.   He rarely acknowledges the crowd after a putt.     He walks too slow on the green - it's like he's meandering out there.     He's the embodied definition of a curmudgeon ...

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None. It's like separating an artist's art from the artist. If you didn't read or listen to the music of every racist writer/musician you'd eliminate a ton of great works. I'm just there to watch swings and putts. I don't pay attention to personal life and am indifferent to them outside the course.
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Even if God won the tournament for you, you can still thank him for the check, trophy, invitation to Maui, and the two-year exemption.

Agree with this.  A big part of the difference between winning and finishing in the top-5 on tour is how you handle stress and pressure.  Golfers do all sorts of logically irrelevant things to help them maintain confidence in spite of that pressure.  Wearing certain colors, playing a certain # on your ball, using a special coin as a marker--all superstitious things which have no direct physical influence over the angle of the clubface at impact.

http://www.positivementalimagery.com/news_letters/newsletter_edition.php?id=190

Even with no proof that God exists, or no personal faith, you can appreciate how belief in an abstract power helps lots of golfers.  If that golfer's talisman happens to be his faith, why should he suddenly be despised?  I've never heard anyone say "Tiger is such an idiot for wearing black and red every Sunday," or "Ernie Els is nuts for thinking he can't birdie two holes with the same ball."

Yes you could - but how weak of a person do you have to be to praise and thank god for your success, rather than admitting that you put the hard work in, and the accomplishment is your own that you achieved. You did it, not god.

I almost feel a sense of sadness when I see guys praise their deity after winning, then the next week, where they miss the cut, the blame immediately shifts to themselves. All I get from that is 'All good comes from God, all failures are my own'. What a self deprecating lifestyle.

BTW, Ernie Els is a nut for thinking 2 birdies can not come from a golf ball :-) . There is solid evidence that more than one birdie can come from a golf ball ( maybe not in my golf game but I digress ). There is no such solid evidence of a deity.

They are not even in the same ballpark, not comparable.

I have no problem with a person admitting they require faith to get through life, but for Christs sake ( see what I did there ), credit yourself once in a while.

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Even if God won the tournament for you, you can still thank him for the check, trophy, invitation to Maui, and the two-year exemption.

Agree with this.  A big part of the difference between winning and finishing in the top-5 on tour is how you handle stress and pressure.  Golfers do all sorts of logically irrelevant things to help them maintain confidence in spite of that pressure.  Wearing certain colors, playing a certain # on your ball, using a special coin as a marker--all superstitious things which have no direct physical influence over the angle of the clubface at impact.

http://www.positivementalimagery.com/news_letters/newsletter_edition.php?id=190

Even with no proof that God exists, or no personal faith, you can appreciate how belief in an abstract power helps lots of golfers.  If that golfer's talisman happens to be his faith, why should he suddenly be despised?  I've never heard anyone say "Tiger is such an idiot for wearing black and red every Sunday," or "Ernie Els is nuts for thinking he can't birdie two holes with the same ball."

Yes you could - but how weak of a person do you have to be to praise and thank god for your success, rather than admitting that you put the hard work in, and the accomplishment is your own that you achieved. You did it, not god.

I almost feel a sense of sadness when I see guys praise their deity after winning, then the next week, where they miss the cut, the blame immediately shifts to themselves. All I get from that is 'All good comes from God, all failures are my own'. What a self deprecating lifestyle.

BTW, Ernie Els is a nut for thinking 2 birdies can not come from a golf ball . There is solid evidence that more than one birdie can come from a golf ball ( maybe not in my golf game but I digress ). There is no such solid evidence of a deity.

They are not even in the same ballpark, not comparable.

I have no problem with a person admitting they require faith to get through life, but for Christs sake ( see what I did there ), credit yourself once in a while.

You could be thankful that you were given the natural talent that allowed you to get to the position that hard work makes you successful. I suppose you could thank nature, or your parents for carrying the genetic material that made it all possible?

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I have no problem with a person admitting they require faith to get through life, but for Christs sake ( see what I did there ), credit yourself once in a while.

Isn't this interesting. A guy (Simpson, Streelman, others) credits someone or something outside of himself and is considered him a jerk.  Another guy credits himself (Reed) and is considered a jerk. And if a guy said absolutely nothing to an interviewer, he would be considered a jerk. Seems there is no way to satisfy everybody. So maybe they should just continue on, and let the rabble discuss their behavior on the internet.

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always amazes me how little tolerance those without faith have in relation to those who do .     In any event, I would have to say Vijay.     I've NEVER seen him smile on the golf course.   He rarely acknowledges the crowd after a putt.     He walks too slow on the green - it's like he's meandering out there.     He's the embodied definition of a curmudgeon ...

Please be careful in your generalizations here.  I appreciate where you are coming from, because in this case you are right.  But that doesn't hold true for all non-religious people.  Heck, it's pretty safe to say at this point that Kieran is simply an ******* ..

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... but how weak of a person do you have to be to praise and thank god for your success ...

Don't lump all of the rest of non-religious people in with him, please.

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Please be careful in your generalizations here.  I appreciate where you are coming from, because in this case you are right.  But that doesn't hold true for all non-religious people.  Heck, it's pretty safe to say at this point that Kieran is simply an ******* ..

Don't lump all of the rest of non-religious people in with him, please.

You can blame god for that.

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Please be careful in your generalizations here.  I appreciate where you are coming from, because in this case you are right.  But that doesn't hold true for all non-religious people.  Heck, it's pretty safe to say at this point that Kieran is simply an ******* .. Don't lump all of the rest of non-religious people in with him, please.

Why is he an *#&$^$?

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