Hole-in-one? Or easy birdie? Would you count it?

[Golfingdad]

A hole in one plus a penalty stroke is still only a birdie.

But it's still a birdie. An ace with a penalty stroke. As for the incident when the opponent knocks it away in a match, the hole is WON but not counted as an ace. it still would be a birdie and a win, even if the opponent birdies the hole...

Yes I know ... I was the one who linked the rule earlier.  I was specifically referring to the second half of his comment only.

[rehmwa]

So into the realm of goofy scenarios -

the other guy gets up to the green and putts (the flag was left in, I don't know why as this is a goofy scenario) while you are just walking onto the green and his ball jars that one loose.  the ball is knocked in.

he was in a hurry, didn't see your stuck ball, you do as you walk on as you are on the other side.

how about now?  ace?

[Ernest Jones]

What if you go to tap it in and it doesn't move?

[Golfingdad]

So into the realm of goofy scenarios -

the other guy gets up to the green and putts (the flag was left in, I don't know why as this is a goofy scenario) while you are just walking onto the green and his ball jars that one loose.  the ball is knocked in.

he was in a hurry, didn't see your stuck ball, you do as you walk on as you are on the other side.

how about now?  ace?

I don't see why that would be any different than if your ball was sitting 2 inches from the hole ... in which case you have to replace it.  Oh, and if he's putting from on the green, I believe that he gets a 2 stroke penalty.

[Fourputt]

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Originally Posted by Fourputt

By rule, it's a birdie - IF he makes the putt.

Are you sure?  It looks like its entirely possible that after the hole is repaired and he goes to place it, it'll just fall into the hole.  In which case: http://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Decision-16/#d16-2-0.5 would apply, yes?

Since the decision says that the ball must be placed on the lip, that means placed at rest.  It's implied that the ball will then be tapped in to hole out.  If the ball won't stay at rest when placed, then it needs to be placed in a location where it will stay at rest.

The case that you quote is a different scenario where the ball is being placed on the spot from which it was lifted.

What if you go to tap it in and it doesn't move?

The forward movement of the club with the intent to strike the ball is a stroke.  It now lies two and you just blew your birdie chance.

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Originally Posted by rehmwa

So into the realm of goofy scenarios -

the other guy gets up to the green and putts (the flag was left in, I don't know why as this is a goofy scenario) while you are just walking onto the green and his ball jars that one loose.  the ball is knocked in.

he was in a hurry, didn't see your stuck ball, you do as you walk on as you are on the other side.

how about now?  ace?

I don't see why that would be any different than if your ball was sitting 2 inches from the hole ... in which case you have to replace it.  Oh, and if he's putting from on the green, I believe that he gets a 2 stroke penalty.

Yep!

[Golfingdad]

Since the decision says that the ball must be placed on the lip, that means placed at rest.  It's implied that the ball will then be tapped in to hole out.  If the ball won't stay at rest when placed, then it needs to be placed in a location where it will stay at rest.

The case that you quote is a different scenario where the ball is being placed on the spot from which it was lifted.

Ah, OK.  So the language is specific in saying to place it on the lip of the hole, as opposed to what I was assuming, which was that you'd place it in the exact vertical plane of where it's currently sitting.

Thanks!

[vangator]

But it's still a birdie. An ace with a penalty stroke. As for the incident when the opponent knocks it away in a match, the hole is WON but not counted as an ace. it still would be a birdie and a win, even if the opponent birdies the hole...

I would count it as an ace. Not sure why a penalty stroke would be incurred unless it was because the original question said they were attempting to putt it in, in which case the ball moved after address. If they didn't address it, I don't see why a stroke would be incurred if the ace was allowed. You are allowed to lift clean and replace was close as possible to the original spot. no nearer the hole. To me that looks like it would be in the hole. Placing on the lip would be farther from the hole. I think the two decisions are in conflict. So what else is new in the world of the "Rules of Golf". Kind of like "Bizzaro World". :-D I'd expect a drink from the person making the ace, dammit!

[jetsknicks1]

Are you sure?  It looks like its entirely possible that after the hole is repaired and he goes to place it, it'll just fall into the hole.  In which case: [URL=http://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Decision-16/#d16-2-0.5]http://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Decision-16/#d16-2-0.5[/URL] would apply, yes?

What if while pulling the flag, the stick touches the ball and it falls in? Just curious.

[Aflighter]

Take your ace because everybody knows thats what it is regardless of any rule.Your shot plugged into the lip of the hole and after placing ball back after repairing the mark the ball will not stay up because most of it is over the hole.You shouldnt have to move your ball back from original spot until it stays put.Now if its in a tourny im not sure how that works.

[Lihu]

Since the decision says that the ball must be placed on the lip, that means placed at rest.  It's implied that the ball will then be tapped in to hole out.  If the ball won't stay at rest when placed, then it needs to be placed in a location where it will stay at rest.

The case that you quote is a different scenario where the ball is being placed on the spot from which it was lifted.

Can you repair the lip of the hole before everyone has played out the hole? Or is it simply treated as a plugged green shot where the golfer is allowed to attempt repairs to the pitch mark?

Also, I wonder if anyone has missed that tap in birdie due to the emotional anguish of having just missed the ace?

[rkim291968]

1st, you got to stop the time from ticking since the ball has to fall in within 10 seconds.   Call Einstein, stop everyone's watches & smartphones from ticking, do something to stop the time.  Next, wait for earthquake, tilt the earth axis, stomp up and down in unison inches from the hole, generate some wind,do something to knock the ball in.

Or, how about photoshopping the picture to make it look like the ball is in the bottom of the hole?

Get the other players (eye witnesses) drunk so that they can't remember if the ball was in the hole or not.  Then, insist it was a hole in one when the subject comes up.

( You can probably tell that I never had a hole in one before ... )

[mp33 man]

1st, you got to stop the time from ticking since the ball has to fall in within 10 seconds.   Call Einstein, stop everyone's watches & smartphones from ticking, do something to stop the time.  Next, wait for earthquake, tilt the earth axis, stomp up and down in unison inches from the hole, generate some wind,do something to knock the ball in. Or, how about photoshopping the picture to make it look like the ball is in the bottom of the hole? Get the other players (eye witnesses) drunk so that they can't remember if the ball was in the hole or not.  Then, insist it was a hole in one when the subject comes up. ( You can probably tell that I never had a hole in one before ... )

Or have you, Looked like a HIO to me :) or maybe I wad drunk

[vangator]

What if a thunderstorm comes along and dislodges the ball?[quote name="DrvFrShow" url="/t/79115/hole-in-one-or-easy-birdie-would-you-count-it#post_1093031"]Aside from hitting the ball away from the hole on purpose, has anyone putting toward the hole ever missed a putt where the ball is overhanging the lip of the hole? [/quote] I have. In fact twice on the same hole. On this par 4, I hit a drive that went into a hole in the first cut. I had to take a wedge and just hack it out. I then hit an iron to within 3 feet of the pin. I lipped out then putt. So I did a Hale Irwin on the 3 inch putt. Then I did it again.

[iacas]

Not an ace. Birdie, if you make the putt.

[billchao]

So I did a Hale Irwin on the 3 inch putt. Then I did it again.

3" is not the same as overhanging the lip, though you still should have made the putt :-P

[turtleback]

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Originally Posted by Ernest Jones

What if you go to tap it in and it doesn't move?

Your foursome mocks you unmercifully for the rest of the round and on into the 19th hole for not marking and cleaning.

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Originally Posted by rehmwa

So into the realm of goofy scenarios -

the other guy gets up to the green and putts (the flag was left in, I don't know why as this is a goofy scenario) while you are just walking onto the green and his ball jars that one loose.  the ball is knocked in.

he was in a hurry, didn't see your stuck ball, you do as you walk on as you are on the other side.

how about now?  ace?

Huh?  Under what rule?  A ball moved by another ball has to be replaced.  Rule 18-5 is pretty clear

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18-5 . By Another Ball

If a ball in play and at rest is moved by another ball in motion after a stroke , the moved ball must be replaced.

The real bottom line on this, IMO, is that anyone can write any number on the card.  But the ROG say it is a birdie.

[golfbarefoot]

Wow can't believe it avoided the stick.

Because it didn't....?  I'm getting convinced the saying needs to change from "Fish Stories" to Golf Stories"........

then again when I hit my hole-in-one, it short-hop bounced, hit the flag stick and went down for an Ace!

[Foursum Golf]

I'm not sure if this has been asked yet - is there a time limit the ball can sit there? If you get to the green and it falls, is it an ace? What about when you pull the flag stick out assuming you don't touch the ball?