is this the move, downplane

[moreira85]

is this the move??? i have no problem doing it in slow motion, when i try to do it regular speed i cant keep the right elbow close to my hip on the downswing. trying to get in the slot, ignore the dipping of my head as i am exaggerating the move.

[WorkerOfTheBall]

Moreira,

Personally I feel you are too connected coming into 'impact', not to mention the difficulty you may experience squaring the club face. I fully understand what you are trying to accomplish (getting into the slot) but I feel your lower body needs to initiate the move from the top.

Your club appears to also be a bit too flat ....causing a dramatic inside to out swing path through the strike.

Just my $.02
Doug

[g-funk13]

dude, I know what you mean about keeping that elbow in. . . I have taken to turning my right hand to a REALLY strong grip in the hopes that it will encourage my elbow to stay down.

Do you initiate your hip turn by pushing off your right foot? makes a big difference to me. . .

[Cahal]

This is a move i've been trying to work on as well with my teacher this year. I think what the first guy said was pretty accurate, you defiitely want to have that "connected" feeling of the elbow near the hip to allow you to attack the ball from the inside which maintains your leverage with the club but make sure to have the body rotate as well or you will really have to flip the hands at the end to square up the club.

What i've been working on is getting the elbow in the slot early but then letting my arms release with the body rotation to get more smoothly back to impact while still coming from slightly inside. It isn't easy though after having fought an slight over the top move for a number of years.

[iacas]

is this the move??? i have no problem doing it in slow motion, when i try to do it regular speed i cant keep the right elbow close to my hip on the downswing. trying to get in the slot, ignore the dipping of my head as i am exaggerating the move.

Along with the advice of the others, which I mostly agree with (I just skimmed it), the only thing I'd add is this:

Unless you're Tiger Woods, keep your head at the same height. You're "scrunching up" quite a bit to get that elbow tucked. Clear the hips. Stick that right elbow on your right hip. That'll bring the club through. Thinking of "hitting the ball with your hip" may help.

[MPS67]

Moreira85,

I agree with Erik and Doug in that you need to initialize the down stroke with the hips only. This will pull the right elbow down to your right hip. It looks like your shoulders, torso, and hips all start together.

I'm trying Hardy's swing method where the right elbow and arms hit the beginning of the slot behind the right hip. So far, it works well for me.

Regards,

Mark

[Diggitydog]

That is the right idea of "The Move" you are looking for but it's not correct. I am going to go out on a limb and partially disagree with Workeroftheball, a 1.8 handicap. Yikes!

Workeroftheball said you'll be inside to out swing path but right now I think your shaft angle in relation to your right forearm on the downswing is too steep meaning that you'll be outside to in swingpath. With that swing I will bet good money you would be hitting pretty significant slices. Your top swing is flat, that flatness is ok but not with the move you're working on. You'll likely want to get that left arm more upright at the top. If you get to the upright position at the top, try the same move while keeping your head in place and then show us that.

I see your head dropping, as per iacas. I also think your hips need to clear to the left earlier, they seem passive. If you clear your hips then drop the club in the slot you'll unleash power and be on plane. It's an advanced move but you can do it.

Try getting to the top of the backswing and starting the hips for your downswing but keep that head from dropping and work the club into the slot with that move.

Make another video and post it up after.

[WorkerOfTheBall]

DiggityDog,

My basis on saying he was flat (or under the plane) revolves around where the shaft and club head appeared to be on the way down. I will admit it is very difficult to comment accurately with so much upper body compression, but moreira85 did say ignore the head dropping which is hard to do.

If you notice in the photos, the hips have done very little clearing, team that with the position of the shaft and it's a recipe for getting "stuck". Notice in photo 3 (left arrow) how low his right shoulder is? ....typically you won't see that with an 'over the top' (OTT) move, although it is hard to determine without seeing the backswing. The 2nd arrow shows just how far from the inside he is coming. I would prefer to have both forearms in line at this point. It will take an enormous amount of forearm and/or wrist rotation to square the face.

Disclaimer: Please note that these are my opinions and are more than likely wrong!

Doug

[Diggitydog]

You make some good points there. I think the bottom line here is we should really see him swinging the club at normal speed, while hitting a ball.

If you notice in your second photo with the red line the shaft is much steeper than his forearm. When I used to get in that position the ball was going to slice. In these frames he isn't close at all to delivering the club on a proper plane.

Moreira85, when you start your backswing it appears to be coming outside the target line. Try to bring it more on line on the way to the top.

Step 1) Tidy your basement j/k
Step 2) Get the camera on the range hitting balls. Try to implement the fixes already listed.
Step 3) Put that online and we can check it out.