Donald Trump for president?

[misty_mountainhop]

Sounds like you just want a democrat in the office. Do you think anyone has a chance to beat Hillary, backed by virtually all blacks, Hispanics, union members and half the women in this country. Before Obama was elected in his first speech at the Democratic Convention for Clinton, he gave a speech about how Democrats and Republicans, black and white, should come together. It was bullshit and how have those lies worked out? These guys will say whatever it takes to win. it's politics. So do YOU think the left is the way to go or do YOU think the right is the way to go? If you think the right is the way to go, you will vote for the guy that's getting the most votes. If you think the left is the way to go, you try to convince everyone the most popular Republican is a nut without showing that you are on the left. Sounds like your the latter. And you continue the name calling because it makes you feel smarter. Maybe your the megalomaniac. IMO

Left? Right? Does it matter? A spade is still a spade.

[mdl]

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised, given Trump's poll numbers and the fact that golf spans across lots of different lines, including political beliefs (something I like about the game).  But I must say I'm surprised and sad at the level of (even soft) defending of Trump on this thread.

[mmoan2]

I defend him only because he speaks his mind unfettered and I find it very refreshing. Reminds me of an even wackier version of Ross Perot I'd rather have Mickey Mouse as my President, but political rhetoric from the usual suspects makes me sick. Read the Teddy Roosevelt biography trilogy by Edmund Morris and see what a President who didn't give a hoot was like. TR used to skinny dip in the Potomac River to keep him revitalized. Imagine what today's press would do to Obama if that happened!!!

[RandallT]

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised, given Trump's poll numbers and the fact that golf spans across lots of different lines, including political beliefs (something I like about the game).  But I must say I'm surprised and sad at the level of (even soft) defending of Trump on this thread.

I'll just end with this. If you are someone who believes that Donald Trump TRULY believes and meant to say that most immigrants from Mexico are rapists and drug dealers, then why are you not out protesting to immediately cut all ties between golf and Trump? I would. That would be a horrible disgrace that a man would believe that, and it would be a deep scar on our sport.

I think that people are seizing on some of his sketchy ideas and poor wording/communication skills. That is the only "defense" I'm putting up for Trump. I honestly believe that he was trying to accuse the Mexican government of working to deliberately send us their worst citizens. He is not addressing legal immigrants, or even all illegal immigrants. We all have undesirables in our country.

If I thought he was a racist, I'd join you in condemning him, and I'd agree with severing all ties.  To me, the reaction to his words was over the top.

There is danger to the sport of so many agreeing that his words were racist (that seems to be conventional wisdom in the media), and that it will again taint golf as elitist, white, and racist.  All of you attacking Trump as a racist are in a sense endangering our sport, unless you also don't push for his disassociation from golf. How can we let a prominent person in our sport be such a blatant racist? We can't.

Edit: I quoted the wrong person initially. Oops.

Edit2: Ooops. Again, wrong thread. Damn. I'm tired of talking Trump

[Elmer]

The girl who got shot is a perfect example of why we need to stop these vermin from coming in. If one of them is a killer, then that's one too many and reason enough to stop the infestation from the south.

Go ahead though, use the words "racist" or "bigot" in your response lol.

So how do we differentiate between an illegal who is a "killer" and one who is not? Furthermore are we looking at background checks from the mexican Govt regarding their status, or are we going all Minority Report and stopp them before they kill. Or we could just weed out those with the potential to kill.

Then again isnt the US the land of second chances? What if someone has done their time and wants to come here to turn a new leaf?
Or are American's the only people who get a second chance as long as they dont reside in the inner city?

1 huge issues I see with Trump being president is he doesnt work well with others. Sure he tells it as he sees it, but what happens when China doesnt sign an agreement?

What about when Iraq does entirely want to agee to all our terms?

What about when congress does not pass something DT supports and campaigned about?

Furthermore, yet again; will DT be able to relinquish control of his empire and golf courses while residing in the white house?

I still think this is about business, ego and legacy. If he sticks it out past the debates or further I could change that opinion!

[Golfingdad]

First of all...sorry but he DOES have the right to call them rapist and drug dealers if he chooses to. Careful with your wording.

Yup, that was a tad careless.  You'd think after all of the "First Amendment!!" cries earlier in this thread I'd have been a little more careful and not used the word "right."

However, since we're being pedantic, if you read my statement more carefully, I didn't say he didn't HAVE the right to say that, I said that immigrants being illegal doesn't GIVE him the right to say that.  ;)

What I should have done is continue by say it doesn't give him the right to say that AND not expect backlash.

Second, he said some are good people. Are you saying that no illegal immigrants are rapists or drug dealers or murderers? None? So he said some are rapists...some are good people. That is correct.

Sure, but it's how he said it.  The "some are good people" was a throwaway at the end.  It implies that MOST are not.  Of course there are illegal immigrants who are rapists and murderers.  Maybe even at a higher rate than legal immigrants or citizens.  But, without actually looking up the stats, I'm going to make an assumption that the vast majority of illegal immigrants are coming here for a better job and a better life - and not to rape.

That's why what he said comes across to many as racist or bigoted or stereotyping (whatever word you prefer), or at least borderline enough racist (or the others) that the PGA Tour has to consider the ramifications of continuing to do business with him.

EDIT:  LOL @jamo ... I started this post this morning 2 hours ago, then got sidetracked with actual work stuff.  Came back and saw I hadn't finished, saw your post about staying on topic, added the last part to make sure I did, and then realized that all of the posts I was responding to and referring to got moved, so now this post is a standalone here and makes no sense.  Can you shove this one over in the other thread with the rest, por favor??

Gracias!!

[rkim291968]

I defend him only because he speaks his mind unfettered and I find it very refreshing.

I agree with the sentiment, and let me add that he has been entertaining.   The important thing for the public is to understand what he says make much sense in the context of running the country.    Once they dig a little deeper, I think they will find that most of what he says is just talks, bravado ones at that.   Making us feel good with talks doesn't necessarily make him a qualified candidate.

[Vinsk]

Yup, that was a tad careless.  You'd think after all of the "First Amendment!!" cries earlier in this thread I'd have been a little more careful and not used the word "right."  :doh: However, since we're being pedantic, if you read my statement more carefully, I didn't say he didn't HAVE the right to say that, I said that immigrants being illegal doesn't GIVE him the right to say that.  ;) What I should have done is continue by say it doesn't give him the right to say that AND not expect backlash. Sure, but it's how he said it.  The "some are good people" was a throwaway at the end.  It implies that MOST are not.  Of course there are illegal immigrants who are rapists and murderers.  Maybe even at a higher rate than legal immigrants or citizens.  But, without actually looking up the stats, I'm going to make an assumption that the vast majority of illegal immigrants are coming here for a better job and a better life - and not to rape. That's why what he said comes across to many as racist or bigoted or stereotyping (whatever word you prefer), or at least borderline enough racist (or the others) that the PGA Tour has to consider the ramifications of continuing to do business with him. EDIT:  LOL @jamo ... I started this post this morning 2 hours ago, then got sidetracked with actual work stuff.  Came back and saw I hadn't finished, saw your post about staying on topic, added the last part to make sure I did, and then realized that all of the posts I was responding to and referring to got moved, so now this post is a standalone here and makes no sense.  Can you shove this one over in the other thread with the rest, por favor?? Gracias!! :beer:

I agree 100% with you on how it came off from DT. Damn that beer looks good!

[chop]

Actually, I rarely vote or have any connection to either party.   You are just extrapolating what is not there.  On topic -  If DT continues to ratchet up his rhetoric, businesses will continue to drop him, golf industry included.

BTW, although he is leading Rep nominee poll, he is also leading "unfavorable" poll for all candidates.   If Reps vote him to be their nominee, it'd be their loss.   They won't win the presidency.

That's what I thought, you don't vote. So you know, Hillary will win and we are all screwed. So keep sitting on the sidelines pretending your too smart to be part of the system. I blame people like you for allowing losers like Obama to be President. Your such a snob

[newtogolf]

That's what I thought, you don't vote. So you know, Hillary will win and we are all screwed. So keep sitting on the sidelines pretending your too smart to be part of the system. I blame people like you for allowing losers like Obama to be President. Your such a snob

While I'm no fan of Obama, it's time the GOP and GOP supporters take some responsibility for the GOP's presidential election losses.  The reason Obama won is because the GOP failed to nominate someone that would appeal to those in the middle of the political spectrum.  Our last two candidates were poor selections that didn't represent what this country was looking for and if they don't wise up, they will lose to Hillary or Bernie in 2016.

[Kp5512]

I do'nt think DT will win the nomination. But hopefully he keeps talking and gets the other contenders on both sides to start talking about ways to get this country back on the tracks. DT's biggest sin is speaking about problems very specifically instead of the normal vague platitudes we usually hear. I feel we need someone to put America's interests first and not be ashamed of it. Golf will survive just fine no matter what happens. People like us that love and care about the game will always keep it going. Just my 2 cents.

[rkim291968]

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkim291968

Actually, I rarely vote or have any connection to either party.   You are just extrapolating what is not there.  On topic -  If DT continues to ratchet up his rhetoric, businesses will continue to drop him, golf industry included.

BTW, although he is leading Rep nominee poll, he is also leading "unfavorable" poll for all candidates.   If Reps vote him to be their nominee, it'd be their loss.   They won't win the presidency.

That's what I thought, you don't vote. So you know, Hillary will win and we are all screwed. So keep sitting on the sidelines pretending your too smart to be part of the system. I blame people like you for allowing losers like Obama to be President. Your such a snob

@chop, my replies to your posts have been polite and respectful.  Your insults are uncalled for.    I am not sure where your hostilities come from.   Either grow up or leave the forum discussions to people who can share their thoughts without hurling insults at each other.

[Mr. Desmond]

That's what I thought, you don't vote. So you know, Hillary will win and we are all screwed. So keep sitting on the sidelines pretending your too smart to be part of the system. I blame people like you for allowing losers like Obama to be President. Your such a snob

You never know, Chop. Under a Pub, we would have gone to austerity -- see Greece -- that's what they wanted, for no one to spend money. Think back to 2009 and think about 5-6 years like that year.

Some good things have occurred, and bad., and the not so good -- just like other Presidential terms. And remember, Congress has a lot to do with the success of a President. The Dems needed 60 votes in the Senate to pass anything, and they rarely got the 60 because of the animosity and partisanship. Could Obama have resolved that? Maybe. But the Pubs really made it personal about making sure he had a miserable Presidency.

And it's costing them. Boehner has let the radical elements of his Party mouth off so much with their extremist speeches and positions that a person like Trump now seems acceptable. Karma is a bitch.

[Gunther]

You never know, Chop. Under a Pub, we would have gone to austerity -- see Greece -- that's what they wanted, for no one to spend money. Think back to 2009 and think about 5-6 years like that year. Some good things have occurred, and bad., and the not so good -- just like other Presidential terms. And remember, Congress has a lot to do with the success of a President. The Dems needed 60 votes in the Senate to pass anything, and they rarely got the 60 because of the animosity and partisanship. Could Obama have resolved that? Maybe. But the Pubs really made it personal about making sure he had a miserable Presidency. And it's costing them. Boehner has let the radical elements of his Party mouth off so much with their extremist speeches and positions that a person like Trump now seems acceptable. Karma is a bitch.

I'm not sure if you've been trolling these past few weeks with your superficial, one-sided, leftist posts but if so, you finally reeled me in. 1. Greece is a socialist regime (fyi, that is radical left not "Pub") which spent more than it had; hence their difficulties. Same shit happening in Detroit, Cali, Illinois, and other places run by leftists. As Margaret Thatcher said (paraphrased), "Socialism will always fail because at some point, they run out of other people's money". 2. The Senate didn't pass anything because Harry Reid buried more bills than any senate leader in history. And both Dems and Republicans can't stand Obama because Obama is a narcissistic, petulant child. The most recent trade bill was killed by Dems, the Republicans actually sided with Obama on it (much to my chagrin). He's been an abomination from all angles and has cost himself. 3. Boehner has been a horrible leader because if he had his way, he would have given Obama everything he wanted. Thankfully there are enough reps in the House with the backbone to stand up for their constituents who are overwhelmingly opposed to every single Obama strategy. These are not radicals, they are following the will of the American people. 4. The left has gotten so radical that folks supporting an avowed socialist believe they are in the mainstream or even the majority; you are not. I've tried to ignore this glib disinformation you've been posting of late but I had to respond to this one. I won't get into a back and forth on it because I don't enjoy it and my favorite major is a few short hours away.

[newtogolf]

I'm not sure if you've been trolling these past few weeks with your superficial, one-sided, leftist posts but if so, you finally reeled me in.

1. Greece is a socialist regime (fyi, that is radical left not "Pub") which spent more than it had; hence their difficulties. Same shit happening in Detroit, Cali, Illinois, and other places run by leftists. As Margaret Thatcher said (paraphrased), "Socialism will always fail because at some point, they run out of other people's money".

2. The Senate didn't pass anything because Harry Reid buried more bills than any senate leader in history. And both Dems and Republicans can't stand Obama because Obama is a narcissistic, petulant child. The most recent trade bill was killed by Dems, the Republicans actually sided with Obama on it (much to my chagrin). He's been an abomination from all angles and has cost himself.

3. Boehner has been a horrible leader because if he had his way, he would have given Obama everything he wanted. Thankfully there are enough reps in the House with the backbone to stand up for their constituents who are overwhelmingly opposed to every single Obama strategy. These are not radicals, they are following the will of the American people.

4. The left has gotten so radical that folks supporting an avowed socialist believe they are in the mainstream or even the majority; you are not.

I've tried to ignore this glib disinformation you've been posting of late but I had to respond to this one. I won't get into a back and forth on it because I don't enjoy it and my favorite major is a few short hours away.

If there was a thumbs up in this room I'd have given you one.  All items are on point but I doubt those you're directing them at will agree.

[Vinsk]

If there was a thumbs up in this room I'd have given you one.  All items are on point but I doubt those you're directing them at will agree.

Mr. Desmond.....you have been powned.

[Mr. Desmond]

Mr. Desmond.....you have been powned.

No.... he is disadvantaged, as are you, if you can't tear that rant apart.

And I will not respond because it is not good for the forum, but it is good for people to vent... but he lost me in his first sentence.

[boogielicious]

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkim291968

Actually, I rarely vote or have any connection to either party.   You are just extrapolating what is not there.  On topic -  If DT continues to ratchet up his rhetoric, businesses will continue to drop him, golf industry included.

BTW, although he is leading Rep nominee poll, he is also leading "unfavorable" poll for all candidates.   If Reps vote him to be their nominee, it'd be their loss.   They won't win the presidency.

That's what I thought, you don't vote. So you know, Hillary will win and we are all screwed. So keep sitting on the sidelines pretending your too smart to be part of the system. I blame people like you for allowing losers like Obama to be President. Your such a snob

Keep it civil or you will be restricted.

BTW I vote every election. I am amazed at the rhetoric that conservatives like you spout. We hear doomsday scenarios when you don't get your wish that never come true . It's sad. Far left liberals do the same thing. The venom further polarizes the population. Try being objective. Try coming up with solutions instead of being negative. Have some respect for the Presidency and all the other voters who elected the President. I did not vote for G.W. Bush, but I still respected him, the office and the rest of the country who elected him.