Relief From Cart Path and Obstruction Question

[DrvFrShow]

I suppose you could hot wire the tractor and move it, or put it in neutral and get your foursome to push it out of the way if it  were possible to do that - i.e. the ground under was firm.

[newtogolf]

The keys weren't in the ignition, we checked.  The tractor and trailer were parked there prior to our arriving at the tee box.  Sounds like I should have penalized myself a stroke due to an unplayable lie.  Thanks.

[Rulesman]

pretty much so.

nevertheless you dont go backwards. if relief gives you a shot against the machine or in the bushes thats your problem and you can basically use the unplayable to go backwards or chip out laterally.

If relief from the path (an Immovable Obstruction) leaves you with interference from the machine (an Immovable Obstruction), then you may take relief from that without penalty.

Why take a penalty unplayable drop when you can get a free one?

[Rulesman]

The keys weren't in the ignition, we checked.  The tractor and trailer were parked there prior to our arriving at the tee box.  Sounds like I should have penalized myself a stroke due to an unplayable lie.  Thanks.

Why take an unplayable? It's an immovable obstruction, you get free relief.

[newtogolf]

Why take an unplayable? It's an immovable obstruction, you get free relief.

Because 2 clubs lengths behind the trailer left me with no shot due to trees, here is what I faced;

There was no relief directly behind the trailer because of the trees which is why I went back behind the trees.

[Wendy Dominick]

Maybe your diagram isn't to scale, but if you took no relief from either obstruction the place you dropped under the unplayable rule was the wrong place.

[Gunther]

That's kind of how I envisioned it. Guess you had no option to go to the right, which I've learned here. I'd have played it from the path...with your wedge. Tough deal.

[billchao]

Because 2 clubs lengths behind the trailer left me with no shot due to trees, here is what I faced;

There was no relief directly behind the trailer because of the trees which is why I went back behind the trees.

I don't know how accurate your drawing is, but I think you could have dropped in front of the tractor:

You should have been able to drop within one clublength of the blue dot, right?

Where you dropped seems wrong, even if you declared the ball unplayable, because you didn't play it from the original spot, you didn't drop on the line between the spot where the ball lay and the hole, and it's clearly not within two clublengths of where it lay.

[Wendy Dominick]

The blue dot isn't the nearest point of relief from the cart path. The NPR would be under the tractor, directly to the left if where the ball lay.

[Wendy Dominick]

If the hole location is as drawn the blue dot would be the NPR As per Decision 1-4/8.5.

[DrvFrShow]

It would seem to me that this would be the way to do this. You put your ball at the green dot which is between the immovable object and the cart path. Then you take a left handed stance to hit the ball which puts you standing on the cart path so you get to drop on the other side of the cart path. Forget the immovable object thing. You can't take a stance due to interference from it, so you take an abnormal stance to get around it, which gets you a drop on the other side. It's a weird  situation.

[Wendy Dominick]

You can't PUT your ball at the green dot. It must be dropped. Chances are it will roll under the tractor, and from there you take relief from that. It might become a Decision 1-4/8 situation, or NPR from the tractor might be to the left of the tractor.

But, even if the ball when dropped came to rest at the green dot, a left handed stance would not result in a NPR to the right of the cart path.

[billchao]

The blue dot isn't the nearest point of relief from the cart path. The NPR would be under the tractor, directly to the left if where the ball lay.

Right, but you can't play the ball from under a tractor, so that brings us to your next point:

If the hole location is as drawn the blue dot would be the NPR As per Decision 1-4/8.5.

I just kind of drew a hole in, as I don't know where exactly the hole was on @newtogolf 's round. I just figured, based on his diagram, that any possible hole location on that green would have to yield a point of relief somewhere to the front of the tractor, yet no closer to the hole. Points on an arc and all that.

Even if he took the nearest point of relief as a spot underneath the tractor, there still might have been enough room to drop a ball in front of the tractor within one clublength and still no closer to the hole, because of the angle that everything was at in relation to the hole, correct?

[DrvFrShow]

Then it would  be the blue dot, because you're not going to drop the ball and have it roll under the tractor only to have to crawl under it, at least i'm not crawling under a tractor. So you would put a tee in the ground where that NPR would be. Then we have to take some practicalities into effect. Is this a tournament or a casual round.

If it was a tournament, I'd call the clubhouse. I might take out my putter and take my next stroke with that right on the cart path unless someone was around to move the damned tractor. At least I'd advance the ball and make sure it went to the right hand side of the cart path.

[Lihu]

[QUOTE name="Rulesman" url="/t/83014/relief-from-cart-path-and-obstruction-question/0_30#post_1164625"]   Why take an unplayable? It's an immovable obstruction, you get free relief. [/QUOTE] Because 2 clubs lengths behind the trailer left me with no shot due to trees, here is what I faced; [URL=http://thesandtrap.com/content/type/61/id/126886/] [/URL] There was no relief directly behind the trailer because of the trees which is why I went back behind the trees.

The diagram helps, but I would have played off the path.

[Rulesman]

Because 2 clubs lengths behind the trailer left me with no shot due to trees, here is what I faced;

There was no relief directly behind the trailer because of the trees which is why I went back behind the trees.

Do it in stages.

1) The npr from the path is to the left and the drop would put you under the tractor.

2) Now you take relief from the tractor. The npr would seem to be to the left of the tractor. No problem.

3) If the npr was to the right (ie back on the path). Drop within 1cl and if this leaves you on the path there are two situations.

a) The new npr may take you to the right of the path. Good

b) The new npr may take you back to the tractor. In this case treat the path and the tractor as ONE big obstruction and take relief from this grand obstruction. This would almost certainly take you to the right of the path.

[newtogolf]

For those suggesting I take a left handed stance that was part of the issue, I'm a lefty. @Rulesman you correctly, according to the ROG I should have dropped on the right side of the golf path.  Given I dropped past the trees and it was a casual round, should I add a two stroke penalty to my score and adjust it for handicap purposes?

[Chunky]

The pro's take free drops from TV  cables or move the cable, same obstacle but different circumstances govern the option. So, I say your tractor is an unmoveable obstruction.  If you do want to call it a moveable obstruction I believe you bring into play other issues with the tractor like if you hit it you get the option of rehitting your shot with no penalty.