Scoring with Temporary Moved Up Tees

[rkim291968]

I apologize if this was covered already.  I did a quick search and couldn't find any relevant threads.

I played a course this weekend where they were doing a bit of tee box and fairway construction work on a par 5 hole (566 yards, handicap 4) hole.   To avoid interference with work, they set the tee box at 220 yards from the hole, making it into a long par 3 distance hole, effectively.   What does the rule book say about counting this hole's result?   I didn't count the hole and used 7 (course handicap 22, 4th ranked hole = par + 2).

Regardless of what the rule says, what would you have done?

[Martyn W]

I apologize if this was covered already.  I did a quick search and couldn't find any relevant threads.

I played a course this weekend where they were doing a bit of tee box and fairway construction work on a par 5 hole (566 yards, handicap 4) hole.   To avoid interference with work, they set the tee box at 220 yards from the hole, making it into a long par 3 distance hole, effectively.   What does the rule book say about counting this hole's result?   I didn't count the hole and used 7 (course handicap 22, 4th ranked hole = par + 2).

Regardless of what the rule says, what would you have done?

For handicap purposes what you did sounds reasonable.

[David in FL]

I would have done exactly the same thing. In effect, you simply did not play the actual hole.

[DrvFrShow]

I apologize if this was covered already.  I did a quick search and couldn't find any relevant threads.

I played a course this weekend where they were doing a bit of tee box and fairway construction work on a par 5 hole (566 yards, handicap 4) hole.   To avoid interference with work, they set the tee box at 220 yards from the hole, making it into a long par 3 distance hole, effectively.   What does the rule book say about counting this hole's result?   I didn't count the hole and used 7 (course handicap 22, 4th ranked hole = par + 2).

Regardless of what the rule says, what would you have done?

That's 346 yds. That's par 4 distance, not par 3. So you should have taken par +1, although I seriously doubt that would have affected your handicap over the long term.

[David in FL]

That's 346 yds. That's par 4 distance, not par 3. So you should have taken par +1, although I seriously doubt that would have affected your handicap over the long term.

I think you misread the OP. The tee was moved up to 220 yards, not moved up by 220 yards. Regardless, the hole, as rated, was effectively skipped. The correct procedure in that case is to score it (for hcp posting only) as par plus any handicap strokes to which he would be entitled.

[dkolo]

I think you misread the OP. The tee was moved up to 220 yards, not moved up by 220 yards. Regardless, the hole, as rated, was effectively skipped. The correct procedure in that case is to score it (for hcp posting only) as par plus any handicap strokes to which he would be entitled.

Man, that really hoses you for your handicap score. Tough rule.

[DrvFrShow]

I misread it.

5-1a/3. Returning Scores for Handicap Purposes While Playing on Temporary Greens or Tees

Q: May a club accept scores for handicap purposes if temporary greens or tees are being used?

A: Yes. If the Rules of Golf can be followed during the reconstruction period, scores should be posted. The club must contact its authorized golf association for advice regarding its specific situation. If a temporary green (not an alternate permanent green) is played, the recommendation of the authorized golf association may be for the club to advise players to post par plus any handicap strokes the player is entitled to receive on that hole. (See Section 4-2.) (Revised)

I would imagine the same would hold for a tee placed as such. Par + HC  for the hole.

[David in FL]

Man, that really hoses you for your handicap score. Tough rule.

It actually helps protect the accuracy of his hcp in this case. If he were to post his score from 220 yards, it would penalize him with an artificially low score, and the subsequent possibility of artificial lowering of his handicap.

[rkim291968]

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Originally Posted by dkolo

Man, that really hoses you for your handicap score. Tough rule.

It actually helps protect the accuracy of his hcp in this case.

If he were to post his score from 220 yards, it would penalize him with an artificially low score, and the subsequent possibility of artificial lowering of his handicap.

It can be birdie vs double bogey in my case.   That's 3 strokes difference every round I play.  It was an easy call for me NOT to play the hole.

[DrvFrShow]

If it was that bad you should  have hit your tee shot then picked up and just "not finished" the hole and wrote down what score you reasonably could have finished the par 5. This would use the rule "best estimate" and wrote in say a 5.

Another thing you could have done is just played another par 5 hole twice. That would also have been acceptable.

[Martyn W]

If it was that bad you should  have hit your tee shot then picked up and just "not finished" the hole and wrote down what score you reasonably could have finished the par 5.

No, he receives two strokes on the handicap 4 hole (he has a course handicap of 22). Par 5 plus 2 handicap strokes = 7

[turtleback]

Or, could he have played the hole as is and made the adjustments to the course rating and slope used to determined your differential using 5-2g of the handicap manual?  The adjustment for shortening the hole 346 yards is a reduction of 1.9 in the Course rating and a reduction of 4 in the slope.

I disagree that the portion of the decision cited by @DrvFrShow 's decision recommending net par when temporary greens are used should apply in the case of temporary tees.  Temporary greens are not, by their nature, proper greens and may be downright unputtable.  That is why, IMO, the decision differentiates between temporary greens (ie, not "real greens"), and alternate permanent greens, which are real greens.  It isn't the change in distance they are concerned about, IMO, it is the qualitative difference between a real green and some closely mowed substitute.

OTOH, temporary tees are not qualitatively different than areal teeing area and therefore.do not affect the play nearly as much,except due to distance.  And there is a procedure for adjusting the CR and slope for distance.

IAC what SHOULD have happened, according to the cited decision, is that the course should have consulted their authorized golf association for guidance.  Then once they had the guidance they should have made clear how the players should deal with this hole for posting purposes.  I think either of the above alternatives might be viable alternatives, but I don't think it is the player who should be making that decision.  My guess is that since the nature of the temporary adjustment to the hole allowed the hole to be played under the ROG, the authorized golf association would have gone for the adjusting the CR and slope alternative.

Sadly, it is slipshod adherence to the rules for marking courses and following USGA guidelines and requirements BY COURSES that causes a lot (most?) of the rules and posting problems.

[No Mulligans]

I'm kind of glad I missed my putt as it would have been my first eagle.?  If it was it would have been tainted.

The tee box was being redone and a temporary tee was about 80 yards forward.  How do you post?  Can you just take a stroke off the course rating and play it as a par 3?

 

[DaveP043]

I'd record this for handicap purposes as a hole not played.  In that case, your score would be par plus any handicap strokes you'd normally get on that hole.

[IanW]

3 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

I'd record this for handicap purposes as a hole not played.  In that case, your score would be par plus any handicap strokes you'd normally get on that hole.

In Canada, this is precisely what you need to do. 

[No Mulligans]

Just found that same answer at 5.1a/3 of the Handicap Manual

10 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

I'd record this for handicap purposes as a hole not played.  In that case, your score would be par plus any handicap strokes you'd normally get on that hole.

 

[Golfingdad]

On a related note, if the temp tee box is going to be long term, they might re-rate the course.  My FILs club did that when they had an 80 yard par 3 hole for several months while they reconstructed the hole that was normally a par 4.

[Asheville]

See Handicap Manual 5-2g. Posting a Score from an Unrated Set of Tees on a Rated Course