Stack-n-Tilt - Still Screwing up Golfers after All These Years

[iacas]

6 minutes ago, scopek said:

excuse my ignorance, but why? 

Kinda not the point of this topic, but c'mon man… think about it for a bit. You don't put the ball back, and the handle forward, to hit the ball the highest. You can't aim right enough to add enough loft back to overcome the loft you took off doing those other two things.

It's a joke of a video. Terrible.

[scopek]

2 minutes ago, iacas said:

Kinda not the point of this topic, but c'mon man… think about it for a bit. You don't put the ball back, and the handle forward, to hit the ball the highest. You can't aim right enough to add enough loft back to overcome the loft you took off doing those other two things.

It's a joke of a video. Terrible.

Ok, makes sense, I think. But honestly I haven't spent a lot of time thinking or trying to understand these aspects of the swing. Still working on keys 2 and 3. 

[Ernest Jones]

8 minutes ago, iacas said:

Kinda not the point of this topic, but c'mon man… think about it for a bit. You don't put the ball back, and the handle forward, to hit the ball the highest. You can't aim right enough to add enough loft back to overcome the loft you took off doing those other two things.

It's a joke of a video. Terrible.

Yeah, that is brutal. Like WTF?

[RFKFREAK]

5 hours ago, mvmac said:

Stack and Tilt is a pattern/swing developed by Andy Plummer and Mike Bennett. They were influenced by the MORAD system (Mac O'Grady), The Golfing Machine and Mike Bender. They took some really good information and just went really extreme with it.

At one time they were working with 8-10 tour pros.

They're active on social media. 

Also these videos on their YouTube page.

 

OMG,

Generally speaking I'm probably not the best person to critique an instructor or golf instruction but, wow, this is terribad.  I'm so glad I didn't see these kind of videos when I first started getting into golf. 

[mvmac]

3 hours ago, scopek said:

Ok, makes sense, I think.

If you had to hit a shot really low, like a trouble shot out of the trees, where would you play the ball? It doesn't make any sense to play it forward in your stance.

[Golfingdad]

5 hours ago, Ernest Jones said:

Yeah, that is brutal. Like WTF?

I couldn't finish the whole video - was making me angry.

Erik, I realize it's true because you said it twice already, but I'm effing dumbfounded that people who consider themselves knowledgeable endorse that nonsense.

What. The. Heck?

[RFKFREAK]

8 hours ago, mvmac said:

If you had to hit a shot really low, like a trouble shot out of the trees, where would you play the ball? It doesn't make any sense to play it forward in your stance.

Seriously.  

If you think about the physics of it, it really makes no sense to put the ball forward in your stance is you want to hit a low shot.  Just amazing. 

[gregsandiego]

13 hours ago, mvmac said:

Stack and Tilt is a pattern/swing developed by Andy Plummer and Mike Bennett. They were influenced by the MORAD system (Mac O'Grady), The Golfing Machine and Mike Bender. They took some really good information and just went really extreme with it.

At one time they were working with 8-10 tour pros.

They're active on social media. 

Also these videos on their YouTube page.

 

OK but can you explain how the terms STACK and TILT fit in? What are you stacking for example?

[Mr. Desmond]

^^^^

Bennett and Plummer have a book; they have a website. They are on youtube. Take a look.

[mvmac]

3 hours ago, gregsandiego said:

OK but can you explain how the terms STACK and TILT fit in? What are you stacking for example?

The name came from Charlie Wi if I remember correctly. This came about when Plummer and Bennett were describing the movements of the swing to a writer for their 2007 Golf Digest article. You "stack" your upper center over your lower center (not much axis tilt, weight slightly left) and then "tilt" your torso left (for a righty) to get the body to turn on an inclined angle.

http://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/stackandtilt#2

[RFKFREAK]

13 minutes ago, mvmac said:

The name came from Charlie Wi if I remember correctly. This came about when Plummer and Bennett were describing the movements of the swing to a writer for their 2007 Golf Digest article. You "stack" your upper center over your lower center (not much axis tilt, weight slightly left) and then "tilt" your torso left (for a righty) to get the body to turn on an inclined angle.

http://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/stackandtilt#2

 

I was always curious about how the term came about, too.

Thanks!

[iacas]

53 minutes ago, mvmac said:

…You "stack" your upper center over your lower center…

Right, which is in and of itself just fine, for the most part (if your LRC is slightly ahead of your URC at setup, then I prefer they not quite "stack" during the backswing), but these aren't that:

These perverted things are posted, seen, endorsed, and taught far too frequently.

[Dave2512]

Weird GolfTec blog post. I took a few lessons from Patrick Nuber who at the time was National Director of Instruction for GT as well as the only certified or whatever S&T instructor in Colorado listed on the S&T site. He never showed me anything like that.

[mvmac]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

These perverted things are posted, seen, endorsed, and taught far too frequently.

Yep.

[DrvFrShow]

Do they understand ball flight? And that reverse pivot?

[RFKFREAK]

1 hour ago, Dave2512 said:

Weird GolfTec blog post. I took a few lessons from Patrick Nuber who at the time was National Director of Instruction for GT as well as the only certified or whatever S&T instructor in Colorado listed on the S&T site. He never showed me anything like that.

At one time I considered taking lessons at GolfTec but after seeing this, I'm not sure I'd ever consider going it.

[iacas]

2 hours ago, DrvFrShow said:

Do they understand ball flight? And that reverse pivot?

They championed the proper ball flight laws (they weren't the first to do it, or anything, but they did make it a point of emphasis), but then, yeah, I get what you're saying: they post this kind of stuff, then. Who knows…

Even if you do that it's not a true reverse pivot so long as your weight doesn't go backward during the downswing. Unfortunately, for those who move their heads a foot forward, they often try to move their head back during the downswing. Just ask @JetFan1983. He played a pro-am with an S&T instructor (high up, too) when his head was moving 8" down and forward and the guy never said a thing about it.

[newtogolf]

Never been a big fan of S&T and these videos make me glad I never bought into it.  Maybe they could incorporate the Power Triangle or Cube too.