Tried the M1?

[span3636]

Has anyone tried out the taylormade M1 yet? I am still hitting the sldr and I really like. I get very little spin on it and a good launch angle. I play the standard stiff shaft they put in it.  I am looking for some input on the performance of the M1 and what shaft you have in it.  Does taylormade still recommend lofting up? Thanks for the input.

[boogielicious]

  On 1/18/2016 at 11:56 PM, span3636 said:

Has anyone tried out the taylormade M1 yet? I am still hitting the sldr and I really like. I get very little spin on it and a good launch angle. I play the standard stiff shaft they put in it.  I am looking for some input on the performance of the M1 and what shaft you have in it.  Does taylormade still recommend lofting up? Thanks for the input.

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I wrote the review below. Excellent driver.

http://thesandtrap.com/b/clubs/taylormade_m1_driver_review

 

[Club Rat]

  On 1/19/2016 at 12:05 AM, boogielicious said:

I wrote the review below

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Great review Mr boogielicious.

OT, did you ever buy the Adidas ASYM?  Mine fit much better, they finally conformed after a few months.

[Traveller]

  On 1/19/2016 at 12:05 AM, boogielicious said:

I wrote the review below. Excellent driver.

http://thesandtrap.com/b/clubs/taylormade_m1_driver_review

 

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And the M1 fairway wood looks good as well - like the idea of an adjustable hosel

[SavvySwede]

Another review from @jbishop15

 

 

[Grumpter]

  On 1/18/2016 at 11:56 PM, span3636 said:

Does taylormade still recommend lofting up? Thanks for the input.

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I would discount what they recommend. Their goal is to make you want to buy their clubs more often. Don't fall for the hype.... that being said I do play Taylor Made irons and am very pleased with them.

[boogielicious]

  On 1/19/2016 at 5:21 PM, Grumpter said:

I would discount what they recommend. Their goal is to make you want to buy their clubs more often. Don't fall for the hype.... that being said I do play Taylor Made irons and am very pleased with them.

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Why? I disagree they only want to sell more clubs. If the customer follows their recommendation on loft and they like the change, then they will repeat as a customer. That is their model and the business model of any golf equipment company. They want you to get the best out of their equipment so you will come back in the future when they make improvements.

Frankly, that's the model of any company that sells products to consumers and wants to keep their loyalty.

[Lihu]

  On 1/18/2016 at 11:56 PM, span3636 said:

Has anyone tried out the taylormade M1 yet? I am still hitting the sldr and I really like. I get very little spin on it and a good launch angle. I play the standard stiff shaft they put in it.  I am looking for some input on the performance of the M1 and what shaft you have in it.  Does taylormade still recommend lofting up? Thanks for the input.

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Tried the M1 at the shop with a simulator, and many people on the course own and recommend it. Once it came out, there was a surge in M1 ownership at my course. My simulator results were better than my on course averages in the late summer than my current driver. It really feels solid. When they drop the price to something I like, I might switch from the Ping i25 I just got this year and really like.

My guess is that if you are already good with the SLDR (and judging by your handicap you're probably pretty good), then stick with it. I think the M1 is designed for those of us that can't hit the SLDR that well.

 

I had the same feeling that it feels like I'm swinging a tree compared to my Ping i25, but the increased distances still happened. . .

[Grumpter]

  On 1/19/2016 at 5:26 PM, boogielicious said:

Why? I disagree they only want to sell more clubs. If the customer follows their recommendation on loft and they like the change, then they will repeat as a customer. That is their model and the business model of any golf equipment company. They want you to get the best out of their equipment so you will come back in the future when they make improvements.

Frankly, that's the model of any company that sells products to consumers and wants to keep their loyalty.

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Why? Because they have incentive, and clearly make constant attempts to make you think their new product is the greatest thing sliced bread. If they were improving existing models to make them better that is one thing. To constantly have the 'greatest ever new idea' means they are more focused on marketing hype. What they say needs to be taken with a grain of salt. That doesn't mean that what they sometimes say isn't true just that I would suggest you get confirmation from outside sources.

Don't blindly trust marketing from the company trying to sell you something.

[dkolo]

  On 1/20/2016 at 3:33 PM, Grumpter said:

Why? Because they have incentive, and clearly make constant attempts to make you think their new product is the greatest thing sliced bread. If they were improving existing models to make them better that is one thing. To constantly have the 'greatest ever new idea' means they are more focused on marketing hype. What they say needs to be taken with a grain of salt. That doesn't mean that what they sometimes say isn't true just that I would suggest you get confirmation from outside sources.

Don't blindly trust marketing from the company trying to sell you something.

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If they thought the last driver was the best they'd made, and they thought they improved on it with the new model, why wouldn't they argue it was the best ever? They're not actively trying to release a worse model to replace the previous one. And just because they've released a new model doesn't mean the old one is worthless. It's just that, for a consumer looking for a new driver in whatever niche they're looking, they're arguing that their respective newest driver is the best you can get at that moment in time. 

What do you want them to say in their marketing? "This one might be all right, give it a try. Or don't. Whatever."

[Grumpter]

  On 1/20/2016 at 6:37 PM, dkolo said:

If they thought the last driver was the best they'd made, and they thought they improved on it with the new model, why wouldn't they argue it was the best ever? They're not actively trying to release a worse model to replace the previous one. And just because they've released a new model doesn't mean the old one is worthless. It's just that, for a consumer looking for a new driver in whatever niche they're looking, they're arguing that their respective newest driver is the best you can get at that moment in time. 

What do you want them to say in their marketing? "This one might be all right, give it a try. Or don't. Whatever."

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My point is they would market it as the best ever even if they knew it was not. They will tell you what they think is most likely to get you to want to upgrade to their newest model even though you already own and like their last model..... which just came out a year ago. I am not saying I don't expect them to market it differently. I am saying that what they say needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

[boogielicious]

  On 1/21/2016 at 3:06 PM, Grumpter said:

My point is they would market it as the best ever even if they knew it was not. They will tell you what they think is most likely to get you to want to upgrade to their newest model even though you already own and like their last model..... which just came out a year ago. I am not saying I don't expect them to market it differently. I am saying that what they say needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

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If they did that, they would be open to lawsuits from other makers forcing them to prove their claims. They and other makers are very specific in their improvement claims because they have data to prove it. Not sure what business you are in, but this is a very key point in marketing claims in the business I am in. We have to have data to prove it otherwise we can't make the claim.

The golf industry is not shy about lawsuits either. They can test each other's clubs. They use the same equipment for testing.

Whether or not the their is substantial improvement in your eye is not as important as some positive gain that allows them to make the claim.

[Grumpter]

  On 1/21/2016 at 5:33 PM, boogielicious said:

If they did that, they would be open to lawsuits from other makers forcing them to prove their claims. They and other makers are very specific in their improvement claims because they have data to prove it. Not sure what business you are in, but this is a very key point in marketing claims in the business I am in. We have to have data to prove it otherwise we can't make the claim.

The golf industry is not shy about lawsuits either. They can test each other's clubs. They use the same equipment for testing.

Whether or not the their is substantial improvement in your eye is not as important as some positive gain that allows them to make the claim.

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If you have dealt with marketing then you also know what kind of spin they things.

[saevel25]

  On 1/21/2016 at 3:06 PM, Grumpter said:

My point is they would market it as the best ever even if they knew it was not.  

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They can't. 

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Our longest driver*, the M1 has a multi-material construction - featuring an ultra-thin, ultra-light and high-strength carbon composite crown – that unlocks breakthroughs in distance, playability, and feel for all golfers.

*Distance claim based on robot testing against TaylorMade drivers at better player club head speed.

-Taylormade's website.....

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Meaning these claims are backed up. They are tested. This isn't spin.

The issue isn't Taylormade. The issue is the people who walk into a store and think, "Oooh shiney" and buy the club without any clue to the fact they need to be fitted. 

I see no issue with Taylormade claiming their driver is the longest. Under certain circumstances it is. In the end it's the golfers fault for not getting fitted. 

[Grumpter]

  On 1/21/2016 at 10:35 PM, saevel25 said:

*Distance claim based on robot testing against TaylorMade drivers at better player club head speed.

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From that sentence how do you know it is not spin? It is based on robot testing which could mean the robot was calibrated to hit near dead center each time and at a near perfect launch angle each time. What happens when the average Joe is all over the clubface with the face wide open/closed. It says 'better player' club head speed. Better is pretty vague, it could mean long drive distance champions club head speed. Those players are likely better players but not the best players (tour level). If you blindly trust what the marketing department is telling you then you are not thinking it through enough.

[saevel25]

  On 1/22/2016 at 9:46 PM, Grumpter said:

From that sentence how do you know it is not spin? It is based on robot testing which could mean the robot was calibrated to hit near dead center each time and at a near perfect launch angle each time. 

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Actually it's probably tested on mishits. The COR with the driver is capped. The only difference would be knowing optimal launch conditions, hitting up on the ball. Where distance has increased is on off center hits. So they could be hitting all over the clubface, averaging them out and saying we get a higher average. You really can not improve centered strikes because of the USGA regulations. 

[SavvySwede]

  On 1/22/2016 at 10:22 PM, saevel25 said:

Actually it's probably tested on mishits. The COR with the driver is capped. The only difference would be knowing optimal launch conditions, hitting up on the ball. Where distance has increased is on off center hits. So they could be hitting all over the clubface, averaging them out and saying we get a higher average. You really can not improve centered strikes because of the USGA regulations. 

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They could have picked an AoA and SwingSpeed that best fit the spin profile of that particular head, resulting is less than optimal spin rates for the other models. 

[saevel25]

  On 1/22/2016 at 11:53 PM, SavvySwede said:

They could have picked an AoA and SwingSpeed that best fit the spin profile of that particular head, resulting is less than optimal spin rates for the other models. 

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True, but they are not going to improve the ratio of ball speed to clubhead speed.