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"Playing From a Position" à la Jim Venetos

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First off, i'm surprised this topic is still ticking along. Been a while since i posted it.

The lad i used to play golf with did take on the Jim Venetos swing (or at least his take on it) and it did help him to hit the ball better. Not having to shift his weight or use the lower body much helped him loads.

I left the company we worked at in 2017 so no idea if he still using it (or still golfing for that matter).

Back when we played together and he showed me the swing i tried to get into the preset and it didn't take long for my left hip to start aching and the whole "stillness" thing just seemed impossible (for me anyway).

Like we always say, if it works for someone and gets/keeps them playing then thats a good thing.

Depsite @Jim Venetosnot (at present) answering Erik's questions i'll still give him a thumbs up for helping people play the game as i think that is much more important than the actual swing they teach.

For me, focusing on a particular area of my swing (getting the weight forward), rather than a whole swing "method" was key in getting my swing firing on all cylinders.

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1 hour ago, RussUK said:

For me, focusing on a particular area of my swing (getting the weight forward), rather than a whole swing "method" was key in getting my swing firing on all cylinders.

I picked up on this thread, watched the video and decided to try it on the range. I hit several good shots but found I was digging too much turf and snatching the club too far inside on the backswing. Probably too much weight on my left, knee in wrong position, etc. What it did for me though was make me cognizant of my need to waggle a bit in my setup which gives me the right (for me) preset left weight and shaft lean to begin my backswing. I don't need any more thoughts to consider than that. Best, -Marv

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On 9/19/2019 at 11:33 AM, TRUCKER said:

🤦‍♂️...What a dumb post. Take a look at the handicaps posted by the members here. Do you really think 97% of the people on this forum will ever be playing at the highest level in state/national, amateur or professional tournaments?

Take a look at the tag below my avatar, the one that says, "TST Staff/Mod" - I am well familiar with the regular users here and their handicaps. The truth of the matter is that at least 97% of the entire golfing population will never play in state or national level amateur tournaments or professional tournaments at any level. 

That doesn't, however, mean that a golfer should handicap themselves by using a swing with well-noted and described limitations. @Jim Venetos has so far refused to take me up on my bet because he knows that his swing is incapable of the same things that can be achieved with a "traditional" golf swing. I'm willing to back my claims with both my money and my personal reputation, but it appears the same cannot be said about the man teaching the non-traditional golf swing. He doesn't have enough confidence in his method to even take a bet that's skewed heavily in his favor.

On 9/19/2019 at 11:33 AM, TRUCKER said:

 Every time somebody comes on here with different swing instruction, they are attacked, and end up leaving the forum. There should be a disclaimer when joining here that states, "Don't bother with any ideas unless the long standing members agree with them".

People are not attacked. Their methods are analyzed and discussed. If your swing instruction method has glaring weaknesses, such as the Venetos golf swing, then those weaknesses will be pointed out.

To further emphasize the fact that no attacking has occurred here, look no further than the owner of the site himself noting some of the advantages of the Venetos swing. It was noted that the swing is one that would be faster for someone to pick up than a traditional golf swing, and simply stated that it had limitations for golfers who want to improve their game as much as possible.

On 11/17/2016 at 6:26 AM, iacas said:

Not a bad plan if you want to become quasi-proficient faster. Especially if you can swing your arms fast with little body motion. Without hip turn, he also gets very little shoulder turn.

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Kinda depends on your goals in golf. If you just want to get proficient and then stay at that level, go for it.

 

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Ok...in all honesty I’ve actually taken up this swing due to my struggles with the conventional method. There’s no question that for me it has been a significantly easier swing to manage and I have a nice draw. I haven’t seen any significant loss in distance but then again I wasn’t a long hitter to begin with. I’ve worked with Jim and although he seems to be a real nice guy who really wants to help people, it’s a little disappointing he won’t put numbers up with a monitor.

All this ‘kinesiology Dr.’ ‘biomechanically sound’ stuff really needs the data to be presented. He’s a down to earth guy but you can’t just brush off people who ask for the data.  A 118mph swing speed with this swing seems very difficult. I wish he would get on a monitor, make his swing and show his swing speed and carry distance. 

I’ve made good progress  with this swing but there’s concern that the swing speed will limit my longer iron play. 3-6i I struggle with the most and I fear it’s due to not generating enough club speed to properly hit those irons...especially the 3-4 irons.

So I’m a bit on the fence for the long run but still going with it as my shanks have greatly diminished. I dunno...for anyone interested I’ll keep posting as I progress.

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@Vinsk, as you likely know. the swing is a lot like my pre-set drill. It's not quite as exaggerated in that one way, and you don't actually stop where I ask students to stop in the pre-set drill, but it's a bit like that.

So, all you'd do next if you want to "graduate" from this swing (which as @Pretzel notes I say can be a good starting point or a good "basic proficiency" thing), you'd simply exaggerate the weight forward a bit less and add in more and more rotation. Since this swing loads your arms across your chest a bit more than we might otherwise suggest, you may have to learn a little bit differently there, but basically, it's just those two things to start to bleed into a more "traditional" swing that uses the body's pivot a bit more to support the arm travel and generate speed.

@david_wedzik and I, as you know, feel that the arms generate the most speed in the golf swing. But the weight transfer (a bit, not much) and the body's pivot (much more so than weight transfer) generate the bulk of what's left after the arms.

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1 hour ago, Vinsk said:

Ok...in all honesty I’ve actually taken up this swing due to my struggles with the conventional method. There’s no question that for me it has been a significantly easier swing to manage and I have a nice draw. I haven’t seen any significant loss in distance but then again I wasn’t a long hitter to begin with. I’ve worked with Jim and although he seems to be a real nice guy who really wants to help people, it’s a little disappointing he won’t put numbers up with a monitor.

All this ‘kinesiology Dr.’ ‘biomechanically sound’ stuff really needs the data to be presented. He’s a down to earth guy but you can’t just brush off people who ask for the data.  A 118mph swing speed with this swing seems very difficult. I wish he would get on a monitor, make his swing and show his swing speed and carry distance. 

I’ve made good progress  with this swing but there’s concern that the swing speed will limit my longer iron play. 3-6i I struggle with the most and I fear it’s due to not generating enough club speed to properly hit those irons...especially the 3-4 irons.

So I’m a bit on the fence for the long run but still going with it as my shanks have greatly diminished. I dunno...for anyone interested I’ll keep posting as I progress.

Having seen your swing in person (and we did talk about it), you're really only doing the setup part of this swing and it's kind of messed up your alignment, not to mention your path is shifted out too far as well.

I'm not going to tell you not to do it if it's working, but IMO you should stop trying to play those low pull-draws because they don't hold greens and you hit beautiful high soft draws that end up left of your target simply due to aim. So basically your good swings are kind of wasted, you know what I mean?

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2 hours ago, billchao said:

you're really only doing the setup part of this swing

That’s all there is to his swing though is the setup. From there your lower body is still in the backswing. I of course haven’t mastered it but I don’t rotate my hips on the backswing and I attempt to just swing on the line of my shoulders based on the position of my body. I only open my shoulders after impact when done correctly. The low pull draws are poor strikes on my behalf. But yes...my alignment is difficult for me with those nice high draws. I like what Erik said and I need to mention this to my Evolvr coach Stephan  as I’ve been absent due to trying this method. I’m still curious how the hell Jim can swing 118mph with this method.

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