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I'm knocking on the door of this thread....just a few decimal points away from 22 and trending down!

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Here's a tip or three...

GIR - if you are having trouble reaching the green - play from the next tee up, you will be confronted with more controllable approach shots.

Kill the penalties - if off the tee you can't keep the ball in the fairway, choose a club that you can hit more accurately. If it is questionable that you can clear a hazard, play safe. KEEP THE BALL IN PLAY!

Short game counts even for the pros, moreso for you! Wedges - pitches, chips, bunker shots can make or break your round - PRACTICE these till you are confident in the results.

Putting - try to give yourself a good opportunity of at least a 2 putt (this is where your approach shot is critical). Three or more putts on a hole simply destroy your game. Yesterday I had 8 GIRs and only converted 4 with 2 or less putts - cost me 4 strokes. Back to the putting green for me!

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40 minutes ago, CR McDivot said:

Here's a tip or three...

GIR - if you are having trouble reaching the green - play from the next tee up, you will be confronted with more controllable approach shots

Short game counts even for the pros, moreso for you! Wedges - pitches, chips, bunker shots can make or break your round - PRACTICE these till you are confident in the results.

Putting - try to give yourself a good opportunity of at least a 2 putt (this is where your approach shot is critical). Three or more putts on a hole simply destroy your game. 

Heres the biggest problem, this can be dependant financially, or based on where you live, but for example around me, theres about 2 golf courses with practice putting greens that are of a reasonable size and weren't built almost completely flat lol, making it difficult to practice a wide range of putts, also, there is not one single practice facility at any course in my area that is large enough on the perimeter to practice anything more than chip shots from about 2ft off the green, and practice bunkers?  Lol.  Not a chance.  Heck, 90% of the courses around me don't even have sand traps on the course.  If I had one course in my area with a tour-like practice facility I'd be going daily just to work on my short game.  I'd imagine a lot of people who can't afford membership at an exclusive, tour-like course with tour like facilities are in the same boat.

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I'm at a new low of 21.6, but I am really struggling and fear my handicap is going to start regressing.  I have simply lost any semblance of being able to hit my driver consistently.  All other aspects of my game are dialed in, but the driver is killing me. 

I've done everything i can think of. I have my own swing thread, I've done tons of research of the instructional threads on here;  I've put in hours of practice (on and off the course).  I just seem to be going nowhere on that one club.  It's mind-boggling because all of the work has lead to an amazing improvement in my irons and woods, but nothing on the big stick.

Now, before anyone tells me to put the driver away and just play my 3 wood, I want to be honest and admit that I do not see that as an option for me personally.  If I am ever going to improve my overall game I simply have to be able to hit the driver.  I am not forcing the driver onto holes where it does not belong, but if the hole calls for a driver I need to be able to hit it.

I am only hitting about 1/3 of fairways. My misses are pretty evenly split between left and right.  That surprised me when I looked at my stats because anecdotally I would have said that my misses were mostly left.

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1 hour ago, Antneye said:

I'm at a new low of 21.6, but I am really struggling and fear my handicap is going to start regressing.  I have simply lost any semblance of being able to hit my driver consistently.  All other aspects of my game are dialed in, but the driver is killing me. 

I've done everything i can think of. I have my own swing thread, I've done tons of research of the instructional threads on here;  I've put in hours of practice (on and off the course).  I just seem to be going nowhere on that one club.  It's mind-boggling because all of the work has lead to an amazing improvement in my irons and woods, but nothing on the big stick.

Now, before anyone tells me to put the driver away and just play my 3 wood, I want to be honest and admit that I do not see that as an option for me personally.  If I am ever going to improve my overall game I simply have to be able to hit the driver.  I am not forcing the driver onto holes where it does not belong, but if the hole calls for a driver I need to be able to hit it.

I am only hitting about 1/3 of fairways. My misses are pretty evenly split between left and right.  That surprised me when I looked at my stats because anecdotally I would have said that my misses were mostly left.

None other than Dr. Jim Suttie states that all players (including professionals) are either better with their irons OR with their wedges and woods. This is due to the angle of attack. Given the statement about your dramatic iron game improvement, I would venture a guess that you're trapping v.s. sweeping the ball and therefore have a steeper, more V shaped swing. I know you don't want to shelve the driver, but at a 20+ handicap, what can it hurt? Hit it down the middle and play your game. If you need further encouragement, research the great Corey Pavin. He hit his 3 wood nearly as far as his driver but with much greater accuracy. I have put the driver away and gone with a 2 wood equivalent (the GX-7). If I absolutely zeroed my driver and then did the same with the GX-7, I'd be within 7-10 yards of my driver shot. I'm willing to sacrifice that tiny bit of distance to improve my # of fairways in regulation (nearly a 50% improvement). Just food for thought....

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I think you are not alone in the way you are progressing. You'll advance, retreat, plateau, and each setback seems frustrating. 

Here's I do:

1. Go back to basics, and review my posture and grip. Do slow motion swings on video and see what's going on. Review my most recent lessons to keep those fresh too- bit don't get sidetracked in things that haven't been assigned you.

2. Post a good summary on the swing thread. Much like this one, but with some analysis of where you are and what you're working on.

3. Shift to a fitness/flexibility mode where you put your free time into that, and stop worrying about score for a while. The scores are what they are. The fitness/flexibility break can rejuvenate you.

4. Once you get feedback from an expert (via lesson or swing thread), get back to work on diligent practice.  The break from worrying about swing details can kinda help me absorb past lessons somehow. 

That's how I approach it all, and mostly just try not to get too down about it. It's a challenge, and a tough one. just know you're not alone!

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9 minutes ago, Spooky said:

None other than Dr. Jim Suttie states that all players (including professionals) are either better with their irons OR with their wedges and woods. This is due to the angle of attack. Given the statement about your dramatic iron game improvement, I would venture a guess that you're trapping v.s. sweeping the ball and therefore have a steeper, more V shaped swing. I know you don't want to shelve the driver, but at a 20+ handicap, what can it hurt? Hit it down the middle and play your game. If you need further encouragement, research the great Corey Pavin. He hit his 3 wood nearly as far as his driver but with much greater accuracy. I have put the driver away and gone with a 2 wood equivalent (the GX-7). If I absolutely zeroed my driver and then did the same with the GX-7, I'd be within 7-10 yards of my driver shot. I'm willing to sacrifice that tiny bit of distance to improve my # of fairways in regulation (nearly a 50% improvement). Just food for thought....

I guess it is just a challenge that I feel the need to solve. You raise very fair points and I won't disregard the advice.  

When I am playing for money I will put the club away if it is not working, but when I am out playing just for me I feel the need to try to solve the problem.  I am quite stubborn apparently.......

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People quit the game because they can't get off the tee. IMHO the most important threshold in golf is learning to hit the driver. I think the biggest problem is people hit down on the driver like they do their irons. It's the same swing for both, but the driver feels very different. I think it's nearly impossible to figure out this feeling on your own. A good instructor will help you find it. The problem is most of the instructors (at least the ones I went to) don't want to "confuse" their students, so they spend weeks having you hit wedges and during this time you are unable to actually play any big boy golf. So you do what most impatient people do, and start trying to skip ahead in the textbook and figure out the driver on your own - and you get nowhere. All this to say, the driver reveals problems with the swing in general. So a small tweak to your irons will pay huge dividends with the driver. I think a good instructor will let you hit the driver right away, first lesson. He will teach both side by side - irons and driver. At least this is what (FINALLY) worked for me.  

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Threw down a nice 87 to ALMOST beat my buddy.  He got me by one with a 86! 

43 front 44 back with 5 pars on front and 3 pars on back, last 3 holes to close out.

Was a great fall match with a lil rain from holes 12 till 18.  No beer so that might have hampered our low scores but we will be at it again next week.  I will beat him again this year!!!

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I shot 87 three times out in a row, about a month or so ago. Then I've gotten a little erratic and dipped back into the low and middle 90s. Penalties and flat out mishits, I've lost a little consistency for some reason. I believe the answer is focus, both at the range and on each individual shot. We won't talk about 3-putts. :)

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On 11/4/2013 at 5:33 AM, Meltdwhiskey said:

I wanted to offer a thought on strategy.  I don't largely get involved in actual swing mechanics and such - I more enjoy the strategy discussions. I feel strongly about this applying to we hackers, but it might apply to single digits as well.  Anyway - a buddy and I played this weekend and I realized I had been employing a strategy and had not really ever vocalized it.  He is about a 110 type golfer.

 

On a shortish par 4, I duffed my drive about 90 yards or something.  We get to my ball and I pull a 5i.  He asks me why I'm going iron when I have so much distance to now cover.  It occurred to me how many times I had seen him go with hybrid/fairway wood after a similar duff.  And many other folks over time.  I think the natural choice after a bad shot is to try to get back all you can in the next shot.  You have to right?  You're at a deficit now. But I'd guess a lot of blow-up holes get started this way.  Duffed drive --> long club off the deck --> now lying 3 in woods, pond, bunker or maybe even a lost ball.  Unless you hit a pretty good shot, I feel a snowman could be coming.

 

Unless it is really open, I think the smarter play is to lay back here.  Protecting bogey or maybe even double is a safer bet here than trying to get 200+ yards out of a shot and risking more trouble.  A bogey golfer getting that kind of distance off the deck, down the middle, around any trouble sounds risky to me.  And what is the payoff?  Just being closer really.  You still aren't going to green it.

 

Our normal routine is probably to get on in 3 and 2-putt for bogey.  So:

- At this point, you still have a good chance to do just that with 5i

- Even if you miss the green from 30-70 with your third shot, you are close and still have a chance to get up and down for bogey

- Even if it takes you 4 to get on and you 2-putt, it isn't as bad as it sounds.  You get bogey on most holes anyway, so getting double after a duffed tee shot is pretty much expected.  Make up for it with a par on a hole where you hit a better tee shot

 

Any thoughts from the bogey gallery?

I totally agree with you on this. I realized that in my game I totally improved my consistency with my drives and iron shots. It's the small stuff that's killing my score. Alot of rounds this season where I scored poorly was mainly due to duffed chips and 3 putts. Last season I struggled with a wicked slice, but I corrected it late season. My short game was very decent. This year I bought a new pair of vokeys and I switched my putter with the confidence that I would learn them. Well I'm back to my old putter and have the wedges dialed in. The last month I am always behind my mates off the tee. They go for par fives in 2, and I lay up. I found that I'm scoring almost the same now holding back and playing to my abilities. It's a funny game when you feel like you are playing well but after you count it up the beer tastes better than swallowing your pride 

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I actually accomplished this a few times on the last RCGA rated course I played. (Its a par 70, but I had scores of +14 and +16)

Really happy about the progress Im making.

http://www.gamegolf.com/player/cutchemist42/round/1890160

http://www.gamegolf.com/player/cutchemist42/round/1851823

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This is my goal for this season.  I was able to get a membership at a local course and will have the time to play consistently enough to lower my score now I need to continue to work on my strategy and approach. 

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I know I have the game to get below 20 this year..and maybe even farther...just need to keep working at it. I would love to have an average score around 90 so that my good rounds are in the 80s and the bad ones in the 90s....tired of not breaking 100 on a bad day. 

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45 minutes ago, HJJ003 said:

I know I have the game to get below 20 this year..and maybe even farther...just need to keep working at it. I would love to have an average score around 90 so that my good rounds are in the 80s and the bad ones in the 90s....tired of not breaking 100 on a bad day. 

Right there with you.  I would love a bad day to be mid 90’s and great day mid 80’s.   

 

 

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The one thing I learned I think by accident was to forget about the score card and just play golf one hole a time. I was playing a round of golf when I was in the Air Force and I started out my usual way horrible. On the seventh hole I made one great miss under a tree branch and over a sand trap and it hit the green rolled down the hill and hit the flag stick and stopped next to the hole. After that I just started playing the par 4's on in two and two putt. The par 5'son in three and two putts. I got so focused that I stopped looking at the score card that I forgot about everything else. When I saw my score at then end of the round I nearly fainted. I had actually broke eighty. I realized two things: one I had a lot of fun while playing that round and two get out of your damn head and just play golf!

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2 hours ago, The Hook Meister said:

The one thing I learned I think by accident was to forget about the score card and just play golf one hole a time... I got so focused that I stopped looking at the score card that I forgot about everything else. When I saw my score at then end of the round I nearly fainted. I had actually broke eighty. I realized two things: one I had a lot of fun while playing that round and two get out of your damn head and just play golf!

Amen! Each hole is a new opportunity - just play one hole at a time. History is past, nothing to be done about it - the present is an opportunity - the future is full of promise! :-P

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45-51 for a 96 .  The back 9 normall  plays easier but I let my self get rushed when two slow groups let me play through      Chips and putts are where I can make up some strokes 

 

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