Ball against bunker bulkhead

[Martyn W]

2 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

Another odd local rule, this time from both Talamore and MidSouth in Pinehurst.  At those courses a ball out of bounds is simply moved to the nearest location in bounds, without penalty. Again, I'm sure this is a decision made to minimize slow play.  I doubt that the Newport Cup will be played with that particular rule in effect.

They do the same thing at Tidewater in Myrtle Beach. A friend of mine ran a Gateway Tour event there and pounded 700 white stakes, He was asked to remove them after the tournament!

 

[NCGolfer]

45 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

Another odd local rule, this time from both Talamore and MidSouth in Pinehurst.  At those courses a ball out of bounds is simply moved to the nearest location in bounds, without penalty. Again, I'm sure this is a decision made to minimize slow play.  I doubt that the Newport Cup will be played with that particular rule in effect.

Another odd one there is that you can have a llama as your caddie.

[iacas]

1 hour ago, DaveP043 said:

Another odd local rule, this time from both Talamore and MidSouth in Pinehurst.  At those courses a ball out of bounds is simply moved to the nearest location in bounds, without penalty. Again, I'm sure this is a decision made to minimize slow play.  I doubt that the Newport Cup will be played with that particular rule in effect.

It will not be in effect for the Newport Cup, no.

18 minutes ago, NCGolfer said:

Another odd one there is that you can have a llama as your caddie.

I think @DaveP043 said that they're all now retired.

[Asheville]

1 hour ago, Martyn W said:

Bunker liners are IOs, pilings are used (for the most part) to prevent the bunker from collapsing making them, by definition, an Integral Part of the Course.

Martyn, I must disagree with your assertion. :)

[David in FL]

1 hour ago, Martyn W said:

They do the same thing at Tidewater in Myrtle Beach. A friend of mine ran a Gateway Tour event there and pounded 700 white stakes, He was asked to remove them after the tournament!

 

 A local rule cannot violate the Rules of Golf, correct?

[Martyn W]

41 minutes ago, Asheville said:

Martyn, I must disagree with your assertion. :)

Why, exactly?

From FSGA:   "Many professional tours as well as national, state and regional golf associations introduce a Local Rule that states that bulkheads when located inside of hazards become integral parts of the course".

[No Mulligans]

We have a course with a local rule on the scorecard, "Out of Bounds - Local Rules: If a ball is hit over fence bordering course, player may drop ball two club lengths from fence at point where ball went out, one stroke penalty."

If you play a round with the intention of following that local rule, whether or not you find yourself in that OB situation, are you playing under the rules of golf?  Can you post your score for HI purposes?

[Martyn W]

14 minutes ago, David in FL said:

 A local rule cannot violate the Rules of Golf, correct?

True, but that does not stop an ignorant committee from publishing bogus LRs 

[DaveP043]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

I think @DaveP043 said that they're all now retired.

I'll check when we're down at Easter. There are three in the pen these days, but I don't think they caddie any more.

[NCGolfer]

Just now, DaveP043 said:

I'll check when we're down at Easter. There are three in the pen these days, but I don't think they caddie any more.

Did PETA have something to do with that?  

[David in FL]

45 minutes ago, No Mulligans said:

We have a course with a local rule on the scorecard, "Out of Bounds - Local Rules: If a ball is hit over fence bordering course, player may drop ball two club lengths from fence at point where ball went out, one stroke penalty."

If you play a round with the intention of following that local rule, whether or not you find yourself in that OB situation, are you playing under the rules of golf?  Can you post your score for HI purposes?

There's no reason you couldn't post your round, regardless.  

If you don't have reason to use the improper local rule, no harm no foul.  If you do, I'd post the round, but do so as having not played that one (or more) hole(s) as having not been completed under The Rules.  Post par plus any handicap strokes to which you'd be entitled.

[iacas]

39 minutes ago, David in FL said:

There's no reason you couldn't post your round, regardless.  

If you don't have reason to use the improper local rule, no harm no foul.  If you do, I'd post the round, but do so as having not played that one (or more) hole(s) as having not been completed under The Rules.  Post par plus any handicap strokes to which you'd be entitled.

Or just play it under stroke and distance (hit a provisional) like you know is correct.

[David in FL]

7 minutes ago, iacas said:

Or just play it under stroke and distance (hit a provisional) like you know is correct.

Yeah.

Just because it's a local rule, knowing that it violates The Rules, doesn't mean you have to follow it....

[Asheville]

3 hours ago, Martyn W said:

Why, exactly?

From FSGA:   "Many professional tours as well as national, state and regional golf associations introduce a Local Rule that states that bulkheads when located inside of hazards become integral parts of the course".

As you know, unless it's a Local Rule or on somebody's hard card, assumptions about such things are unwarranted. 

[Rulesman]

10 hours ago, Martyn W said:

Bunker liners are IOs, pilings are used (for the most part) to prevent the bunker from collapsing making them, by definition, an Integral Part of the Course.

The are by Definition, Immovable Obstructions. It needs a declaration by the Committee to make them an IPC

8 hours ago, Martyn W said:

Why, exactly?

From FSGA:   "Many professional tours as well as national, state and regional golf associations introduce a Local Rule that states that bulkheads when located inside of hazards become integral parts of the course".

From England Golf:

4. Immovable Obstructions (Rule 24–2) include:
a) All artificially surfaced roads and paths on the course, including those covered with wood chips. All other paths and tracks are integral parts of the course.
b) White lined areas adjoining any immovable obstruction are part of the obstruction and not ground under repair.
c) Stone-filled drainage ditches or channels.
d) Sleepers, steps or wooden boards within bunkers.

[WUTiger]

On 2/23/2017 at 4:32 PM, DaveP043 said:

Another odd local rule, this time from both Talamore and MidSouth in Pinehurst.  At those courses a ball out of bounds is simply moved to the nearest location in bounds, without penalty. Again, I'm sure this is a decision made to minimize slow play. ...

In summer of 2015, the local circuit played a round at Glen Echo CC, host course for golf in the 1904 Olympics.

The No. 1 hole is a 380 yd. par 4, an uphill dogleg left that pinches at the turn, with a fence along the (golfer's view) right side. (Picture below is from behind the green).

A local rule said a ball over the fence (dashed red line) was a 1-stroke penalty, take a drop as if ball was in a hazard. Our Rules Committee, however, invoked the "spirit of golf" and declared over the fence as OB for our tournament. 

[RickK]

On 2/23/2017 at 4:32 PM, DaveP043 said:

Another odd local rule, this time from both Talamore and MidSouth in Pinehurst.  At those courses a ball out of bounds is simply moved to the nearest location in bounds, without penalty. Again, I'm sure this is a decision made to minimize slow play.  I doubt that the Newport Cup will be played with that particular rule in effect.

That same rule is pretty much in play at Tidewater in North Myrtle Beach.  If you find your ball in a yard, you move it to the nearest location in bounds without penalty.  If you do not find you ball, you are penalized.  

[iacas]

Just now, RickK said:

That same rule is pretty much in play at Tidewater in North Myrtle Beach.  If you find your ball in a yard, you move it to the nearest location in bounds without penalty.  If you do not find you ball, you are penalized.  

Yeah, those aren't actual Rules of Golf. We just played at Tidewater and joked about how someone would hit the ball 70 yards offline and we'd all say "Well, it's not OB."

They'd play again from the tee.

Resorts do what they do… but it doesn't make it "right."