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Unable to complete backswing when ball is there.

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7 minutes ago, gregsandiego said:
15 minutes ago, Hacker James said:

I  really don't have a horse in this race, but in defense of @Buckeyebowman, I can see where some confusion might exist. The video, while containing some great information regarding width and depth of a backswing, in my opinion does not really address what the OP is asking ....

No I think the video on hand depth addressed different issues then I experience.

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52 minutes ago, gregsandiego said:

No I think the video on hand depth addressed different issues then I experience.

not near the same thing of course, but did you hear the story of the guy asking another "Do you have the time?", the other responded," but of course, and I will do you one better" as he began to give a twenty minute recitation of the origin and methodology of the swiss movement in watch pieces.  The first guy patiently listened and when  done he said. "that was very informative and I learned a lot, but really all I wanted to know was "What time is it?" 

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14 hours ago, iacas said:

The video (of me, @Buckeyebowman) helped @Kalnoky with a similar problem, which is why he (@Kalnoky, not the OP) posted it.

Who's on first?

I think we get that. LOL

20 hours ago, Hacker James said:

not near the same thing of course, but did you hear the story of the guy asking another "Do you have the time?", the other responded," but of course, and I will do you one better" as he began to give a twenty minute recitation of the origin and methodology of the swiss movement in watch pieces.  The first guy patiently listened and when  done he said. "that was very informative and I learned a lot, but really all I wanted to know was "What time is it?" 

A for a total non-sequitur,  I know a lot of people like that lecture guy. I'm a engineer usually looking for a 10 second answer. When I get 5 minutes it drives me crazy.

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It's too bad this thread went somewhat astray but I'm bumping it because it's still my biggest issue. I  noticed nervousness is a big piece as well. If I'm golfing with someone new and WANT to hit the ball far - guess what? Mini back-swing demons hit even worse.

It's not really the ball per se.  I can put a ball down on a mat in my backyard and do more than horizontal back swing right over it.

No it's not really the ball, it's knowing that I'm about to make a real, going to count in an actual game, golf shot.

I've written down many of the suggestions in this thread to take with me.

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, gregsandiego said:

It's too bad this thread went somewhat astray but I'm bumping it because it's still my biggest issue. I  noticed nervousness is a big piece as well. If I'm golfing with someone new and WANT to hit the ball far - guess what? Mini back-swing demons hit even worse.

It's not really the ball per se.  I can put a ball down on a mat in my backyard and do more than horizontal back swing right over it.

No it's not really the ball, it's knowing that I'm about to make a real, going to count in an actual game, golf shot.

I've written down many of the suggestions in this thread to take with me.

I have taken one guy at my club to a few tournaments and he told me his problem is closing his eyes in the middle of his swing.  I asked if its expectation or anticipation, but he says no.  He's just been doing it for 20yrs.  He attributes it to getting hit a lot in baseball.

He just has to stand over the ball and repeatedly tell himself to keep his eyes open.  I haven't come up with anything good on how to help him.  

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Sing a song.

Find a song that goes well with your swing (say "Born to be Wild").

Start singing it as you address the ball. Always start your backswing at the same point in the song; always end it at the same point; always start your down swing at the same point in the song.

This will give your swing a consistent rhythm. You won't shorten your backswing, because it will feel wrong compared to the song.

An added bonus is you will be focused on the song instead of the ball.

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22 hours ago, gregsandiego said:

It's not really the ball per se.  I can put a ball down on a mat in my backyard and do more than horizontal back swing right over it.

You know, a lot of us have a similar issue. For me, I was able to achieve a "better" swing hitting into a net, but absolutely could not repeat that swing outside... for  a few years!

I was finally able to take that "net swing" out in the yard. I'm not describing a good swing, just a tiny bit of improvement on key #2. It's just so damned hard to break bad habits and so easy to slip back when we do. Regardless of any success I've had practicing, it only rarely carries over to the course. But I'm trying to remain optimistic and patient.

Regarding your issue of not making a full backswing or rushing to start the downswing, it's something that plagues me as well and it's disastrous. It's almost like I have to find some way to get to the very top and either pause or really, really slow down just to give my lower body a head start. Then, I try to come into impact moving my arms very slowly, or at least methodically. But even if those things worked all the time for me (they don't), they won't necessarily work for you.

Using a nearly full backswing, would you be able to swing the driver at 30% speed or effort while playing a round of golf? Not care if the ball only flies 150 yards - in fact, try to hit it only that far?

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ditto...I just made another video of practice swings without a ball. Looks not so bad, near full turn, near parallel at the top (not that is something that is necessary), all in all, a better(for me) swing. Put a ball there, add a camera from DTL, and looks like shit if there is a camera running.

 

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On 7/6/2017 at 10:56 PM, gregsandiego said:

This is kind of funny. Can i try?

@Buckeyebowman

The video in this thread had NOTHING to do with my  (OP) swing. 

The "STILL" is not me, has nothing to do with the issue.

 

 

OK, So I will ask a question here. If the vid had nothing to do with your swing, why did you post it? The "still" has nothing to do with the issue, but you posted it! Why? Are you trying to confuse people? Why post extraneous nonsense!

And thank you @Hacker James ! You crystallized my thoughts exactly. What the Hell is the OP talking about!

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21 minutes ago, Buckeyebowman said:

OK, So I will ask a question here. If the vid had nothing to do with your swing, why did you post it? The "still" has nothing to do with the issue, but you posted it! Why? Are you trying to confuse people? Why post extraneous nonsense!

And thank you @Hacker James ! You crystallized my thoughts exactly. What the Hell is the OP talking about!

@Buckeyebowman et al...You guys are confusing me.  The OP @gregsandiego Has NOT posted any videos, or stills, or anything. It was @Kalnoky who posted a DEMO video that was made by @iacas  The OP @gregsandiego was only stating that he had trouble completing a backswing with a ball present, and that is the reason for my little video, agreeing with him. The OP and I are on the same page.  He has not confused anybody that I know of, but they can speak for themselves.  Or maybe I am the one confused,  I think I should call Bud Abbot or Lou Castello up from the ethernet and ask.

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12 hours ago, Lime Shark said:

Sing a song.

Find a song that goes well with your swing (say "Born to be Wild").

Start singing it as you address the ball. Always start your backswing at the same point in the song; always end it at the same point; always start your down swing at the same point in the song.

This will give your swing a consistent rhythm. You won't shorten your backswing, because it will feel wrong compared to the song.

An added bonus is you will be focused on the song instead of the ball.

Very interesting. That's a new idea.

2 hours ago, JonMA1 said:

 

You know, a lot of us have a similar issue. For me, I was able to achieve a "better" swing hitting into a net, but absolutely could not repeat that swing outside... for  a few years!

I was finally able to take that "net swing" out in the yard. I'm not describing a good swing, just a tiny bit of improvement on key #2. It's just so damned hard to break bad habits and so easy to slip back when we do. Regardless of any success I've had practicing, it only rarely carries over to the course. But I'm trying to remain optimistic and patient.

Regarding your issue of not making a full backswing or rushing to start the downswing, it's something that plagues me as well and it's disastrous. It's almost like I have to find some way to get to the very top and either pause or really, really slow down just to give my lower body a head start. Then, I try to come into impact moving my arms very slowly, or at least methodically. But even if those things worked all the time for me (they don't), they won't necessarily work for you.

Using a nearly full backswing, would you be able to swing the driver at 30% speed or effort while playing a round of golf? Not care if the ball only flies 150 yards - in fact, try to hit it only that far?

If I go really slow the my body turn seems to get messed up. My arms will keep going without the shoulder turn. 

1 hour ago, Hacker James said:

ditto...I just made another video of practice swings without a ball. Looks not so bad, near full turn, near parallel at the top (not that is something that is necessary), all in all, a better(for me) swing. Put a ball there, add a camera from DTL, and looks like shit if there is a camera running.

 

Yep. Thanks for sharing. You didn't show with the ball which is what the team here was asking me to do.

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15 minutes ago, gregsandiego said:

 

Yep. Thanks for sharing. You didn't show with the ball which is what the team here was asking me to do.

yah, I klnow...I'd prolly "whiff" the damned thing!

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48 minutes ago, Hacker James said:

@Buckeyebowman et al...You guys are confusing me.  The OP @gregsandiego Has NOT posted any videos, or stills, or anything. It was @Kalnoky who posted a DEMO video that was made by @iacas  The OP @gregsandiego was only stating that he had trouble completing a backswing with a ball present, and that is the reason for my little video, agreeing with him. The OP and I are on the same page.  He has not confused anybody that I know of, but they can speak for themselves.  Or maybe I am the one confused,  I think I should call Bud Abbot or Lou Castello up from the ethernet and ask.

Hacker James is exactly right. Let's not discuss that part of the thread anymore.

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Tour Tempo Tracks?

Nerves?  Lighter grip at address helps me. Tempo Tracks may also help because eventually, I hope the tempo tracks will fill my head, not swing thoughts. 

The fact that no one cares about your game other than they want you to play fast, also helps the nerves.

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16 hours ago, gregsandiego said:

Hacker James is exactly right. Let's not discuss that part of the thread anymore.

I can see why you are nervous about posting a swing here.

It really sounds like a mental issue. I doubt a video will help you out of the gate anyway.

Hitting a still ball is not a obvious thing to everyone. For some, it really is a mental issue. You have to get into your brain first.

My son used this drill for the kids and it's a fun game. Try just rocking your club back and forth like a pendulum without a ball there. Have a friend who's facing you drop a ball towards where the club bottoms out and try to hit it without moving your body too much. Just wait for the ball to get to the spot where the club bottoms out. Once you get good at this, practice some chip shots with that same motion. Put 10 balls in a row, walk up to them and chip them. Walk up to each ball setup and swing with that same pendulum motion. Gradually increase the distance you hit a little bit at a time with the same relaxed motion.

Eventually, you'll be ready to learn how to make full swings without any of the "ball hitting" apprehension.

I heard it works well with adults as well. I'd be interested if this helps you reduce your ball apprehension.

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6 hours ago, Lihu said:

 Have a friend who's facing you drop a ball towards where the club bottoms out and try to hit it without moving your body too much. Just wait for the ball to get to the spot where the club bottoms out. Once you get good at this, practice some chip shots with that same motion. Put 10 balls in a row, walk up to them and chip them. Walk up to each ball setup and swing with that same pendulum motion. Gradually increase the distance you hit a little bit at a time with the same relaxed motion.

 

A variation of the old "walk and swat" drill, where you start walking down a line of balls swinging back and forth with an ever increasing pendulum, not even stopping along the way, develop a rythym to your stride, step, sweep, step sweep. You will be surprized at your accuracy and won't miss a single ball.  The prior "friend" drop thing is an out take from the film "Bagger Vance" (Will Smith) where he had the player close his eyes while putting and imagining the ball going into the cup. After a few shadow swings, Bagger placed a ball in the path, and the player made the shot.

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On 10/17/2017 at 2:19 PM, Lihu said:

I can see why you are nervous about posting a swing here.

It really sounds like a mental issue. I doubt a video will help you out of the gate anyway.

Hitting a still ball is not a obvious thing to everyone. For some, it really is a mental issue. You have to get into your brain first.

My son used this drill for the kids and it's a fun game. Try just rocking your club back and forth like a pendulum without a ball there. Have a friend who's facing you drop a ball towards where the club bottoms out and try to hit it without moving your body too much. Just wait for the ball to get to the spot where the club bottoms out. Once you get good at this, practice some chip shots with that same motion. Put 10 balls in a row, walk up to them and chip them. Walk up to each ball setup and swing with that same pendulum motion. Gradually increase the distance you hit a little bit at a time with the same relaxed motion.

Eventually, you'll be ready to learn how to make full swings without any of the "ball hitting" apprehension.

I heard it works well with adults as well. I'd be interested if this helps you reduce your ball apprehension.

This one seems kind of elaborate. 

What is it designed to fix for the kids?

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