LPGA To Enforce more Strict Dress Code

[Vinsk]

22 minutes ago, David in FL said:

You're suggesting non-white underwear with otherwise white attire?  

 

lol! I'm suggesting it doesn't matter what underwear a guy wears. If he's wearing white shorts as required, leave him be. I wear white shorts all the time and I don't own any white underwear ..but nobody knows that. 

[David in FL]

Just now, Vinsk said:

lol! I'm suggesting it doesn't matter what underwear a guy wears. If he's wearing white shorts as required, leave him be. I wear white shorts all the time and I don't own any white underwear ..but nobody knows that. 

Oh my.  Next you're going to tell me that you wear white golf shoes after Labor Day!

[Vinsk]

1 hour ago, David in FL said:

Oh my.  Next you're going to tell me that you wear white golf shoes after Labor Day!

Great call @David in FL!

[arab_joe]

19 hours ago, iacas said:

@arab_joe, the sponsors people are talking about are not the clothing manufacturers. They're the Marathons, the KPMGs, the big old-money companies that are grounded in appealing to the 40-65 market, etc.

I guess that's the power that sponsors have on golf - whatever they say goes! 

A bit like Stephen Curry's recent call up to the Web.com Tour, these new rules on dress seem to have less to do with objective reason or performance or even tradition... and more to do with following the requests of the guys paying the bills.  I'm not saying that is wrong (as stated above, sponsorship can do wonderful things for players' games and the game of golf in general) but it is slightly sad, in my view.

[boogielicious]

9 hours ago, David in FL said:

You're suggesting non-white underwear with otherwise white attire?  

 

I guess my Spiderman underwear is right out!

[iacas]

3 hours ago, arab_joe said:

I guess that's the power that sponsors have on golf - whatever they say goes! 

A bit like Stephen Curry's recent call up to the Web.com Tour, these new rules on dress seem to have less to do with objective reason or performance or even tradition... and more to do with following the requests of the guys paying the bills.  I'm not saying that is wrong (as stated above, sponsorship can do wonderful things for players' games and the game of golf in general) but it is slightly sad, in my view.

Yes, asking professionals not to show their butts or a bunch of cleavage, and to not wear jeans with holes in them to pro-am parties, so sad. What is the world coming to?

Also, we have a topic on the Steph Curry thing. Reaction their largely favored the sponsor.

[swffjvl]

7 minutes ago, iacas said:

Yes, asking professionals not to show their butts or a bunch of cleavage, and to not wear jeans with holes in them to pro-am parties, so sad. What is the world coming to?

They're not just asking. This worlds coming to we are being told to do something, or else.

Edited July 19, 2017 by swffjvl

[iacas]

16 minutes ago, swffjvl said:

They're not just asking. This worlds coming to we are being told to do something, or else.

They still have a choice. It'll just cost them money. Because it will apparently cost them ALL money (sponsorship dollars) if they want to keep showing off their ass cheeks and breasts.

My daughter has a dress code at her school. I have a dress code where I teach. You probably do too.

[swffjvl]

4 minutes ago, iacas said:

They still have a choice. It'll just cost them money.

My daughter has a dress code at her school. I have a dress code where I teach. You probably do too.

Yes, I agree, it's is all about the money. The dress code change. Unless told what to do, the players lose the LPGA, the LPGA loses the sponsors, the players lose the the sponsors. The sponsors lose the money, the players lose the money, a big circle. Money.

And yes, I do have to dress professionally in both my jobs. And I choose to because of the,,,,, money.

 

I guess my last thought is, I really don't think the dress code (on the course) is that bad right now, but that's just me.

[MRR]

12 minutes ago, swffjvl said:

I guess my last thought is, I really don't think the dress code (on the course) is that bad right now, but that's just me.

Nor do I.  But as @iacas pointed out, this in not necessarily about what we see on TV or on the course.  It is more likely about the Monday pro/am, banquet, or what the Symetra players are doing.

Lady's fashion is much more diverse than mens.  Most men consider a pair of chinos and a button down to be casual and fashionable.  To the left, it is often fashionable for a young woman to wear $200 pre-ripped jeans.  Sometimes we must learn that what is fashionable in general might not be fashionable in a specific environment.

[krupa]

Reactions in and out of golf to the dress code:

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/initial-reax-lpga-dress-code-and-out-golf-world

I'm not surprised that the more passionate responses came from non-golfers.

Stacey Lewis, LPGA:

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“I honestly have been shocked by the response to it,” 11-time LPGA winner Stacy Lewis told reporters Tuesday at the Marathon Classic. “You look at other sports, the NFL, the NBA, they have a dress code when they're playing. They have a dress code when they travel. They have a dress code at functions. You guys with your jobs, you probably have a dress code, as well. I honestly don't understand the kick back we had from addressing the issues that we had on this tour, because I think we needed it to be honest.”

Teen Vogue's Susan Weiss:

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As more and more pointless dress codes interfere with our daily lives, women are standing up for their right to wear what they want and not be ****-shamed. Apparently, the Ladies Professional Golf Association (LPGA) missed the memo about that.

Honestly, this strikes me more as a knee-jerk reaction to "women's dress code" than a well thought-out response.  

Christina Kim, LPGA:

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“I may sound like an old fuddy-duddy, but this is our place of business and I think players should look professional. Do you really need ventilation for your side-boob? It's not going to make your score better.”

UltraViolet co-founder Shaunna Thomas:

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“It’s clear that the LPGA is working overtime to prove they are just as sexist as recent media reports suggest—taking its female athletes back to a time when it was acceptable to police women’s skirt length and neckline. The LPGA should be ashamed of itself.”

 

[MRR]

While I think the non-golfers' hearts are in the right place, I always find it odd that people will "stand up" for someone by taking a stance that the other person does not have.

[Shindig]

11 hours ago, Vinsk said:

Great call @David in FL!

Serial Mom!  Yes, I had to check to be sure, but wow, I haven't thought about that film in years.  That's where I learned that portion of the dress code.  I actually had that movie on VHS.

16 minutes ago, krupa said:

I'm not surprised that the more passionate responses came from non-golfers.

Seems to happen on a lot of sports controversies. 

[Jeremie Boop]

42 minutes ago, krupa said:

Reactions in and out of golf to the dress code:

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/initial-reax-lpga-dress-code-and-out-golf-world

I'm not surprised that the more passionate responses came from non-golfers.

Stacey Lewis, LPGA:

Teen Vogue's Susan Weiss:

Honestly, this strikes me more as a knee-jerk reaction to "women's dress code" than a well thought-out response.  

Christina Kim, LPGA:

UltraViolet co-founder Shaunna Thomas:

 

Yeah, rather amusing that the only two people who talked about how horrible this was didn't even address the fact that basically every other professional sport organization has some sort of dress code policy, like Stacy Lewis mentioned. Nobody is telling these women what they can/can't wear when they are on their own personal time, just what they have to abide by during events that are related to the LPGA....

[mcanadiens]

1 hour ago, krupa said:

****-shamed

Do we need to censor that?

Oh well. It's a funny word to think about in the context of LPGA golf. I'm still chewing on that one.

[oregongolfguy]

"Length of skirt, skort, and shorts MUST be long enough to not see your bottom area (even if covered by under shorts) at any time, standing or bent over."

This one stood out to me.  I quick google photo search showed plenty of outfits that probably wouldn't fit under this.  I guess i haven't paid super close attention.  Some of those skorts are super, super short.  

[arab_joe]

19 hours ago, iacas said:

Yes, asking professionals not to show their butts or a bunch of cleavage, and to not wear jeans with holes in them to pro-am parties, so sad. What is the world coming to?

Also, we have a topic on the Steph Curry thing. Reaction their largely favored the sponsor.

And therein lies my hypocrisy... I am all for sponsors having the power to use their invites as they see fit; but I feel uncomfortable with sponsors insisting on the terms of the dress code.  It is an arbitrary lie that I have drawn, for sure, but I'm sticking with it

 

7 hours ago, oregongolfguy said:

Some of those skorts are super, super short.  

I thought that the whole point of a skort was that it couldn't be too short (excuse the pun...) because it provided cover that a skirt does not!  Surely it is only a matter of time until the poor skort will become superfluous

[chspeed]

Thought I would reopen this debate, so I don't have to read about the old boring Open championship

Paige Spiranac wrote a good article about this topic. It frames the argument in the same way we do, making clear that it's not currently an issue on the LPGA, but may hurt the game by turning off young women athletes.

Personally, I think this rule is unnecessary, and is another example of men telling women what to do with their bodies. I'm willing to bet that those making decisions at sponsor companies to push this rule onto the LPGA are older men. Older men that are out of touch with the future of golf. Sure, you can justify it as tradition - but we do that about lots of things that are unfair to one specific group of people.

Edited July 21, 2017 by chspeed