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14 minutes ago, NM Golf said:

@phillyk and @DeadMan We can get a caddy for #2 at a discounted rate. Would you say its worth it?

Looks like I will be aiming at the center of the greens when I play there, I can't wait!

I think @phillyk might feel differently than me, but I would absolutely get a caddy next time, just to be able to walk the course. I don't think the caddy added all that much in terms of the lines or any secrets to the course. Would have helped me on a couple of reads, yeah.

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The first time we played #2 a few years ago my wife who was a 20 hip. got up and whacked a Driver on the first hole, the slapped a 3 wood onto the grin. and rolled in the Putt for a 3.    She laughed and said "I thought this course was tough",   127 strokes later when found out it is.    An Englishman who was playing with us reminds us of that 3 overtime we talk to him.  

 It is a great place, enjoy  the experience.

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31 minutes ago, NM Golf said:

@phillyk and @DeadMan We can get a caddy for #2 at a discounted rate. Would you say its worth it?

Looks like I will be aiming at the center of the greens when I play there, I can't wait!

 

10 minutes ago, DeadMan said:

I think @phillyk might feel differently than me, but I would absolutely get a caddy next time, just to be able to walk the course. I don't think the caddy added all that much in terms of the lines or any secrets to the course. Would have helped me on a couple of reads, yeah.

I would have preferred to walk, but there is no option that allows walking without the caddie, I guess.  The caddie that was with the twosome we played with had a really annoying voice and just sounded like he didn't care.  If I had a caddie, I would've just told him to be quiet on reads near the green.  His green reading seemed off on some holes and I did just as good, if not better than him on similar line reads.  I don't think his lines off the tee were very helpful either.  Having the yardage book was a really big help, I'd definitely get one.

So to really answer the question.  Yes get the caddie, but tell him/her what exactly you want them to do and get your own yardage book to supplement what lines they suggest for you.

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Great report, thanks for sharing. It’s a lovely course.

Now you got me wondering about my caddie arrangement. When I checked in they said they have a caddie for each of us, to which I replied that I would prefer not to have one, and will carry my own bag. So check in guy says 1 caddie for your wife and I say yes. We go down to pick up our clubs and caddie, and I tell him what I told the check in guy, and he says ‘oh, I didn’t know they allowed that’ I say sure can, let’s go. So I was able to walk #2 on my own which was good fun. 

 

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Sounds like @phillyk and @DeadMan had a great time, I knew you guys would.  And you learned the same lessons I learned, the edges of those greens are a bad bad place.  I'm glad it worked out for you.

As for walking and carrying your own bag, I've done it a couple times when playing as the guest of a member.  As I understand it, "unescorted" guests are required to take either a cart or a caddie, but aren't allowed to walk on their own.  @iSank, I think you got lucky.

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Thanks @phillyk and @DeadMan.  I'm glad you guys had a chance to play there and enjoyed the experience.

A couple of comments from the times I've played there:

  • I always felt like the greens were large but the playable area where you needed to be was small.  @phillyk, I think this is what you mean.  Your comment about aiming for the center of the green is spot on...especially not short siding yourself.  I did that more than a couple times and never got up and down.
  • The caddies I had were relatively new but one of the caddies for the other two in the group was a much more seasoned guy that I paid a lot more attention to during the round.  He was actually helping the guy we had a bit.  The best caddie I've ever had was at Kiawah when we teed of first in the morning.  Our group had the two most seasoned guys (by how they talked AND looked)...they were a blast.  I still like walking and would prefer a caddie over a cart even if that guy wasn't the best in the world...just like @DeadMan said here:
20 hours ago, DeadMan said:

I think @phillyk might feel differently than me, but I would absolutely get a caddy next time, just to be able to walk the course. I don't think the caddy added all that much in terms of the lines or any secrets to the course. Would have helped me on a couple of reads, yeah.

Again, glad you guys got to go there and play.  I played it before and after the restore and I'm a bigger fan now with the way it looks and feels.  Mid-Pines was similar to that feel but #2 is just BIGGER (and better) in every way.

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I played it in May and the greens were rolling at US Open speeds because there was a big tournament coming up (or so the caddie told me).  My simple thought onthe course is that Tee to Green is fairly basic, but once you get to the greens it is a different story.  The caddie definitely was a huge help for me in terms of reading the greens.

 

It was a great experience.

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Found one more picture I forgot about. This is me putting from the front of the second green. Credit to @phillyk for the picture. 

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12 minutes ago, Groucho Valentine said:

Pretty cool. Id love to play this place one day. But I'm not too keen on paying $400-500 on a round of golf. 

To be honest, the feeling felt more like, “yup, take it!” Once we got there, our mouths were open for a good half hour. 

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30 minutes ago, phillyk said:

To be honest, the feeling felt more like, “yup, take it!” Once we got there, our mouths were open for a good half hour. 

HAHAHA! Yeah, i know that feeling. Felt that way first time i played at Pine Valley. 

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1 hour ago, phillyk said:

To be honest, the feeling felt more like, “yup, take it!” Once we got there, our mouths were open for a good half hour. 

Pretty much. It was totally worth it walking up 18 after hitting the best iron shot of the day. That picture of me posing after hitting that shot :drool::drool::drool:

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Played Pinehurst no. 2 yesterday, had a great time. We were the first tee time off hole #1, 7:50am, it was still pretty dark when we hit our tee shots. Hit my first drive right down the middle with my 2 iron had about 155 left to the pin. Hit a little 9 iron just right of the left middle pin position. My ball landed hole high 15 feet right of the flag and proceeded to take a hop and then roll off the back of the green. Welcome to Pinehurst!! I used a putter for my next shot, something you find yourself doing a lot here because of the lack of rough. Hit a good putt up to about 5 feet from where I then took three more putts to get down, welcome to Pinehurst again!

I won’t go through my whole round, but will hit on some highlights and struggles. After my double bogey start I again three-putted hole #2 and then four-putted hole #3 to go five over after the first three holes. These greens take some time to get used to, to say the least. My first par came at the difficult fourth hole 450ish par 4. I ripped a drive down the left and had gap wedge in. Hit my second shot just short of the front pin and watched it trickle back off the front. Hit a good putt that I left about an inch short of the hole and tapped it in.

I followed that par with three more and showed up at the par 5 8th hole still five over par.  I ripped another drive down the right side that just rolled into the waste area. I knocked my next shot onto the green and rolled in my eagle putt! (More on that later). I finished with a par on the last hole for a front side 39.

Started the back side with three straight pars, then I again three-putted the par 4 13th. A bad second shot cost me a stroke on 14 and I came into the par 3 15th 5 over for the day. On 15 I hit a 7 iron that never left the pin. When we got to the green my ball was a foot from the hole. The group in front of us said that it lipped out, so close to my first hole in one coming at Pinehurst! Either way I tapped in for my birdie.

I made par on 16 and 17 and stepped onto the tee on #18 four over for the day. Hit my drive down the right side and hit a little sand wedge way short of the back right pin placement. Three putts later I tapped in for a bogey. In my defense I actually hit a great first putt and only left myself 3 feet for par, but there was a huge spike mark that knocked my 2nd putt off line and it lipped out.

Summing up the experience, I was happy with a 77, especially considering the fact I was 5 over after three holes. Pinehurst no 2 is a great course. While you are walking you think about the fact that the best players over the last 75 years have all played there.  The course itself is incredibly fair. Its all right out in front of you, hit good shots get rewarded, hit a bad shot and pay the price.  It is incredibly friendly off the tee, it’s the greens that are the teeth of the course. I played at the center of the green on any shot longer than a sand wedge and it worked out. I found that short of the green was much more friendly than long, left or right. If you play there get a caddy. My caddy was invaluable telling me where to hit my second shots. Many shots that land on the greens in the wrong places will funnel right off into bunkers. I was only in one bunker the entire round, and I got up and down.  I truly believe if I played there a few more times I could shoot even par from the blue tees. The US Open tees are another story, although I think I could break 80 if I played well. They are WAY back there, and force you to hit much longer clubs into these very difficult greens.

Finally, I was at Pinehurst for a tournament, while my team did not play very well, my eagle on #8 got me a $549 skin, and my near hole in one on #15 won me the closest to the pin prize for that day. My birdie 2 on #15 won me a "2 on 2" gold ball marker. We also played Pinehurst no. 8 which is a great course in itself, although quite a bit different from no. 2. The people at the Pinehurst Resort could not have been better to us, I gained at least 10 pounds eating on this trip. Altogether, a fantastic time.

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Nice! I think you should share some of that skin with @phillyk and me for giving you the low down on how to play the course. Just shoot me a PM and I'll give you my e-mail address to paypal it to me. :-D

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10 hours ago, DeadMan said:

Nice! I think you should share some of that skin with @phillyk and me for giving you the low down on how to play the course. Just shoot me a PM and I'll give you my e-mail address to paypal it to me. :-D

I do appreciate the tips although after the first 3 holes I thought it didn't matter where you hit it, the ball wouldn't stay on the green anyway! After you get the feel for the course it's not that bad, but you were 100% correct when you said you do not want to go pin hunting, middle of the green is key. And like I said a caddy is very important, if you don't know where to hit it you will be in bunkers all day long. There are so many greens where maybe 30% of the green itself will reject any ball hit there. 

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FWIW my numbers on the day were 6/14 fairways 12/18 greens and 36 putts.

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