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Speed from the Arms in the Golf Swing

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14 hours ago, Righty to Lefty said:

The easiest way to correct this is to get the golfer to change where they are in relation to the ball....in other words...move the ball back in their stance and find the leverage first which will likely feel like they are hitting a straight push, and then orient that to the target and play golf.

Moving the ball back in the stance would be one of the worst things you can do for these kids. If anything you'd want to move the ball well forward (as a drill) so they have to change the sequencing to get the club on the ball. Obviously have to watch that they don't cheat just by translating the upper body.

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For a right handed golfer... During the downswing, the most active muscles are the right subscapularis, the right pectoralis major, right anterior deltoid, right latissimus dorsi, right triceps, and right external oblique - coupled with the (slightly slower) left side infraspinatus and left posterior deltoid.  Imagine throwing a frisbee with your left hand.  Imagine baseball pitching submarine style with your right side.  If you swing an extra driver shaft only with your left hand only and right hand only, you will see the right side is faster.  The combination of the two sides creates a swing speed between the high of the right side and the low of the left side... but together, they are faster and more stable and repeatable than a one arm only swing.  Weight shift/hips/legs don't really contribute much, but they DO contribute and provide stability.  Also... Forearm and hand strength and speed is important.  Most important is to ensure that you dont create imbalances that cause injuries.  Studies have been done and you can google the info I provided.  I have thoroughly researched the hip rotation speed question and have concluded that it is a waste (waist (pun)) of time to focus on drills to increase hip rotational speed.  Hopefully this info helps some people searching for the correct approach to swing speed.

Overspeed training, stretching, and power training all help tremendously.

Hope this helps.

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When people try to argue that the arms are "passive" or "along for the ride" in the golf swing I'm going to show them this picture. Doesn't look like a passive arm to me.

 

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1 hour ago, klineka said:

When people try to argue that the arms are "passive" or "along for the ride" in the golf swing I'm going to show them this picture. Doesn't look like a passive arm to me.

 

Now if he would only just spin his hips faster he’d really crush the ball!

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7 hours ago, Vinsk said:

Now if he would only just spin his hips faster he’d really crush the ball!

He’s really putting his chin into the swing too!

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1 hour ago, nevets88 said:

He has a little chicken wing post impact. Guessing he could go faster if he fully straightened arms?

Most of the long drive guys chicken wing IIRC. Bent lead arm adds a lever and they're pulling the handle up with their biceps.

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On 2/1/2019 at 12:06 AM, TJ Allison said:

For a right handed golfer... During the downswing, the most active muscles are the right subscapularis, the right pectoralis major, right anterior deltoid, right latissimus dorsi, right triceps, and right external oblique - coupled with the (slightly slower) left side infraspinatus and left posterior deltoid.  Imagine throwing a frisbee with your left hand.  Imagine baseball pitching submarine style with your right side.  If you swing an extra driver shaft only with your left hand only and right hand only, you will see the right side is faster.  The combination of the two sides creates a swing speed between the high of the right side and the low of the left side... but together, they are faster and more stable and repeatable than a one arm only swing.  Weight shift/hips/legs don't really contribute much, but they DO contribute and provide stability.  Also... Forearm and hand strength and speed is important.  Most important is to ensure that you dont create imbalances that cause injuries.  Studies have been done and you can google the info I provided.  I have thoroughly researched the hip rotation speed question and have concluded that it is a waste (waist (pun)) of time to focus on drills to increase hip rotational speed.  Hopefully this info helps some people searching for the correct approach to swing speed.

Overspeed training, stretching, and power training all help tremendously.

Hope this helps.

exactly. golfers need to keep working on their pound for body strength

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I was a middle infielder through college, and i think the quick throwing motion middle infielders have to make is very close tho what they're talking about there. It was ingrained instinct for me and i think was one of the reasons why i transitioned back and forth between baseball and golf so easily. 

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2 hours ago, Groucho Valentine said:

I was a middle infielder through college, and i think the quick throwing motion middle infielders have to make is very close tho what they're talking about there. It was ingrained instinct for me and i think was one of the reasons why i transitioned back and forth between baseball and golf so easily. 

CF/pitcher here. turning two is a good way to describe it. feels like a side-arm pitch to me, or perhaps skipping a rock.

i think there could also be a bit of overlap with the push-off on the inside of the trail foot. for me at least, the push-off helps create separation during transition in the golf swing as well as the throwing motion from the rubber.

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Here is a photo taken from a video showing the right arm.  This was last year and I was wearing an abdominal support due to having had a recent iliopsoas strain and oblique strain at the same time... Got those strains while stretching prior to goibg to the course to practice.  Just bent over and bam.  Couldnt walk for 2 weeks and took 6 weeks to fully recover.

P.S. added photo during backswing taken from video this year due to how weird my arm looks in that first pic.

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1 hour ago, hoselpalooza said:

CF/pitcher here.

My first thought reading this was that I thought CF was generally associated with punch... 🤦🏻‍♂️

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BTW... In baseball, I was a middle infielder... Preferred 2B for the angles, but got moved to SS because of throwing speed when I was older.  Went back to 2B in semi-pro.

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2 hours ago, hoselpalooza said:

i think there could also be a bit of overlap with the push-off on the inside of the trail foot. for me at least, the push-off helps create separation during transition in the golf swing as well as the throwing motion from the rubber.

FWIW, that's a great feeling that a lot of people have, but the trail leg doesn't actually "push off" or do much of anything in the downswing.

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11 minutes ago, iacas said:

FWIW, that's a great feeling that a lot of people have, but the trail leg doesn't actually "push off" or do much of anything in the downswing.

was specifically talking about transition, not the downswing. push off happens before finishing the backswing.

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i don't know how to spell "push off"

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2 minutes ago, hoselpalooza said:

was specifically talking about transition, not the downswing. push-off happens before finishing the backswing.

No. Just a case of "feel ain't real." The trail leg is mostly extended - it can't "push off" from an extended position. The trail leg does very little after the first 3/4 to 7/8 of the backswing. The core is largely responsible for that stuff.

I've kept it brief because it's OT here, but there are other topics here which discuss this.

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Just now, iacas said:

No. Just a case of "feel ain't real." The trail leg is mostly extended - it can't "push off" from an extended position. The trail leg does very little after the first 3/4 to 7/8 of the backswing. The core is largely responsible for that stuff.

I've kept it brief because it's OT here, but there are other topics here which discuss this.

would you like to make a friendly wager that i can't or don't "push off" with the inside of my trail foot during transition? i have access to boditrak and would be happy to share the pattern data. 🙂 

p.s. i'm not the only person who does this: 

 

 

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