Holed or no?

[Moxley]

3 hours ago, Fourputt said:

With the new rules next year, you will be able to leave the flagstick in the hole when putting too, so this condition may occur more frequently.   It's good to know how to proceed with it.

 

Yeah I do already in all my solo rounds, and I'm looking forward to the new rule making things easier. 

[DrvFrShow]

So in other words, I'll be real careful when pulling out the flagstick so that the ball drops into the hole. Got it.

[Rulesman]

On 8/31/2018 at 7:31 PM, Moxley said:

 

Yeah I do already in all my solo rounds, and I'm looking forward to the new rule making things easier. 

Who will be your marker?

[ColinL]

59 minutes ago, DrvFrShow said:

So in other words, I'll be real careful when pulling out the flagstick so that the ball drops into the hole. Got it.

No need!   Next year a ball resting against the flagstick will be considered holed if any part of the ball is below the surface of the green. If no part of the ball is below the surface, then it is not holed but you can put all the care in the world into removing the flagstick and ensuring the ball falls into the hole,  it will not be holed. You will have to replace it on the lip of the hole.

See Rule 13.2c

[Moxley]

55 minutes ago, Rulesman said:

Who will be your marker?

 

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A marker is one who is appointed by the Committee to record a competitor's score in stroke play. He may be a fellow-competitor.

 

[Rulesman]

When you said 'solo' I assumed you were on your own

[Moxley]

Right, and I thought it would be quite obvious that I'd be keeping my own score in such games, and that those scores would count for nothing. Or maybe I'm missing what you're getting at @Rulesman ?

[Rulesman]

8 hours ago, Moxley said:

Right, and I thought it would be quite obvious that I'd be keeping my own score in such games, and that those scores would count for nothing. Or maybe I'm missing what you're getting at @Rulesman ?

The significance is being in the UK as opposed to the US

[Moxley]

4 hours ago, Rulesman said:

The significance is being in the UK as opposed to the US

Ok, well feel free to explain what you are referring to. 

[iacas]

16 hours ago, ColinL said:

No need!   Next year a ball resting against the flagstick will be considered holed if any part of the ball is below the surface of the green. If no part of the ball is below the surface, then it is not holed but you can put all the care in the world into removing the flagstick and ensuring the ball falls into the hole,  it will not be holed. You will have to replace it on the lip of the hole.

See Rule 13.2c

Yeah, that's an odd one, because I'm trying to imagine a situation where the ball is against the flagstick but none of it is below the level of the green.

All I can picture is a flagstick that's either very thick, leaning a bunch, or both. Because if the bottom-most-point is not on the ground, I have a hard time imagining that a little bit of the ball wouldn't be below that level, even if some to the left or right of 6 o'clock is on the green and some other part is touching the flagstick.

I can't wait to do this - tap in with the flagstick in, take my ball out without it even falling into the hole, and see what people say. 🙂

[Rulesman]

4 hours ago, Moxley said:

Ok, well feel free to explain what you are referring to. 

Under the UK handicap system, solo rounds must be pre-declared and the player must be accompanied by an approved marker. As I understand it, under USGA system, there is no pre-declaration and the player simply has to be accompanied.

[ColinL]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

Yeah, that's an odd one, because I'm trying to imagine a situation where the ball is against the flagstick but none of it is below the level of the green.

All I can picture is a flagstick that's either very thick, leaning a bunch, or both. Because if the bottom-most-point is not on the ground, I have a hard time imagining that a little bit of the ball wouldn't be below that level, even if some to the left or right of 6 o'clock is on the green and some other part is touching the flagstick.

I can't wait to do this - tap in with the flagstick in, take my ball out without it even falling into the hole, and see what people say. 🙂

Yes,  it really has to be if the flagstick is at a considerable angle.    I've certainly seen it happen that the flagstick has not been properly returned to its hole at the bottom of the cup and is leaning against the edge of the hole.  That would mean a ball could be stopped against it without any of it even being over the hole never mind part of it being below the surface.  Unusual though. But if in the end it is at all possible, the rule has to cover it.  

If you try the tap in with the flagstick in I don't suppose many people will say, "That's fine.  It's covered in Rule 13.2." 😉

Edited September 15, 2018 by ColinL

[Missouri Swede]

3 hours ago, iacas said:

Yeah, that's an odd one, because I'm trying to imagine a situation where the ball is against the flagstick but none of it is below the level of the green.

All I can picture is a flagstick that's either very thick, leaning a bunch, or both. Because if the bottom-most-point is not on the ground, I have a hard time imagining that a little bit of the ball wouldn't be below that level, even if some to the left or right of 6 o'clock is on the green and some other part is touching the flagstick.

Or add in a slope to the green.  (Not to scale, of course.  I'll defer to those with engineering/mathematical skills calculate the needed slopes/angles.)

But if I came across this in play, I'm not sure how you'd actually measure whether or not the bottom of the ball is under the dotted line.  (Unless the flagstick was almost at the edge of the hole so it was pretty obvious that it's above it.)  Maybe slide a scorecard under it from the side?

Edited September 15, 2018 by Missouri Swede

[iacas]

4 minutes ago, Missouri Swede said:

That’s a heck of a hole location.

[Missouri Swede]

1 minute ago, iacas said:

That’s a heck of a hole location.

Yep.  US Open style.

[ColinL]

I reckon if you were putting down a slope like that, the ball would bounce off the flagstick and continue to accelerate to a position a long, long way away. 😀

[Moxley]

4 hours ago, Rulesman said:

Under the UK handicap system, solo rounds must be pre-declared and the player must be accompanied by an approved marker. As I understand it, under USGA system, there is no pre-declaration and the player simply has to be accompanied.

Yes, but as with my last post, the scores for my solo rounds count for nothing - they are just for fun and are rarely full rounds anyway.

I think you misunderstood my first post - I keep the flagstick in during solo rounds because those rounds are not official ones and it saves time, and I'm looking forward to the new rule allowing me to do this in official rounds (which are played with other members).