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Today’s Session 5-13-20

GOALS:

  1. Trigger move into steep shoulder turn
  2. flow through transition
  3. Don't early extend, must make better contact

7i Swings. I didn’t cut the videos as short so the trigger move was easy to see.


P1, Trigger, P2

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I like how the trigger easily gets me into my trail side. 

  • Feels like I’m jumping into trail side
  • helps keep the club on plane “athletically”

Shoulder tilt 

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I think it’s getting better. I feel like I have a chance to tilt correctly with the trigger move, etc.


Rest of swing, including flow

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This was the best I’ve hit the ball in a practice session since last year.

I tried really hard to stay in my posture through the downswing. 

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Today’s Session 5-19-20

Long post, sorry in advance.

Major playing complaint is not good enough iron precision. My irons got so good last year, and I have a ton of power now (7 iron going as high as PW and 180+) that is very far for me. 

..but control is lacking. (To be fair, the driver sucked last year, so it’s not a sky is falling statement) I did have awesome iron control last year though. I want it back so bad.

i also don’t know how to play the draw yet. Do I aim right of target? Do I aim at target and let it push out and come back? Should it never miss left?  I’m trying to figure it out.

These are not complaints or anything like that, just my main problems right now.

Goals:

  1. Backswing- steep shoulder turn. I’m trying really hard to get this figured out. I’m really unhappy with my backswing.
  2. Flow- get into trail hip, flow forward
  3. Downswing- continue sidebend / right shoulder low feeling. Hitting ball much better since I started this.

7i Swings


Steeper backswing:

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Trying to get lead shoulder to move in direction of arrow. Down and back should help get shoulders to pitch steeper.

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It looks like I succeeded in turning 90 degrees to here. But my head moves toward the ball a lot.

Im so afraid of turning flat, I understand how it could happen

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Even with the head movement, I think this is the steepest shoulder turn I’ve made in a while.


FLOW

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I got into my trail hip well. I did not start moving toward target for too long.

Will emphasize more next time. Must get shoulders turning correctly first.


@iacas do you have any thoughts on my arm /shoulder planes? 

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My arms keep getting higher and higher, should I care?

Will my irons get more accurate again if the planes match?

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15 minutes ago, Slim_Pivot said:

Major playing complaint is not good enough iron precision. My irons got so good last year, and I have a ton of power now (7 iron going as high as PW and 180+) that is very far for me. 

..but control is lacking. (To be fair, the driver sucked last year, so it’s not a sky is falling statement) I did have awesome iron control last year though. I want it back so bad.

Bear this in mind, too: if your irons are going a club farther, they're going to be a bit tougher to control given the added distance the ball flies.

15 minutes ago, Slim_Pivot said:

i also don’t know how to play the draw yet. Do I aim right of target? Do I aim at target and let it push out and come back? Should it never miss left?  I’m trying to figure it out.

Depends on how much it draws.

  • If the draw is small, I'd set up a little more right with everything and play it out there.
  • If the draw is bigger, I'd open the face to point more to the right as it would do two things:
    • Reduce the curve a bit.
    • Help you start the ball further to the right.
15 minutes ago, Slim_Pivot said:

@iacas do you have any thoughts on my arm /shoulder planes? 

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My arms keep getting higher and higher, should I care?

Height helps with speed.

I don't mind the height, so long as it's not tipping out. You're not tipping out right now.

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23 hours ago, iacas said:

Bear this in mind, too: if your irons are going a club farther, they're going to be a bit tougher to control given the added distance the ball flies.

Depends on how much it draws.

  • If the draw is small, I'd set up a little more right with everything and play it out there.
  • If the draw is bigger, I'd open the face to point more to the right as it would do two things:
    • Reduce the curve a bit.
    • Help you start the ball further to the right.

Height helps with speed.

I don't mind the height, so long as it's not tipping out. You're not tipping out right now.

Thanks for getting back to me. I wanted to take a day to think about it.

Irons are currently less accurate from any distance. But I am learning to play with big changes.

  • aiming a tad right: I tended to aim right and hit across myself since I was a kid...super scared about getting into that again. I have major fear of that problem.
  • Im also missing right too much also. Pushes and over draws.

I’ll try the open face thing to reduce curve -I think that’s the biggest problem. A straight ball misses the green to the right.

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I would do the second thing too.

Then if still getting big pushes and big draws reduce the path going outward.

You’re right there man.

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Wednesday 5-27-20

Goals: 

  1. Steep shoulder turn
  2. Work on “flow”
  3. Hit ball well

7i Swings

I put ball farther forward to help me move forward on it. Video with more normal ball placement doesn’t show ball.


Goal 1. Steep shoulder turn 

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Not quite steep enough going back. From frame to frame, my shoulders steepen just a tad. This slightly steepens the shaft.


Goal 2 Flow

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Happy with getting into trail hip.

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Doing ok. Will continue to try to move forward earlier.


Im starting to control the ball better on the course. Draw is calming down. Misses are hanging more to the right, which is better (for me) I think. Big hooks are scary, they go OB.

Also, driver is going really far for me.

Will continue to work on steeper shoulder turn. For next time: The idea or feel is to have steep shoulders to P2, then rise the arms as I fall toward target.

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Today’s Session 5-31-20

GOALS:

  1. Setup
  2. Steep shoulder turn
  3. Flow

7i DTL

6i FO


Goal 1, Setup

I was bending too much at setup. The line from armpits, knees, shoe laces was not close.

Last session. Blue line

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Today. Red line

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Knees could be bent more I guess. Not sure. I’m trying anything to get my shoulders to pitch right.


Goal 2, steeper shoulder turn

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My shoulders still steepen at the start of the downswing because they are not steep enough in the backswing.


Goal 3, Flow.

This is actually my current priority piece even though I’m obsessing over shoulder pitch.

P2

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My trail leg is quite vertical. This is total success.

I seemed to set up in almost this position (by accident), then the “trigger move” moved me into a more normal looking set up position. Either way, the trail femur is vertical at P2.

P4.5

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My upper and lower body is “stacked” here. This is also total success. Pretty happy with the “flow”.

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6-10-20 Putting

My putting has been extra bad lately. I’m having a lot of trouble making even 1.5 foot putts

Seeing my line has always been the most important to me. I can’t see my line when I stand over the ball lately.

Worked with my mirror on alignment. Found that my shoulders were too open. Felt a little better with square shoulders.

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I'd get the elbows in a bit and let your stroke have a bit more arc. You open and close the face like it's an arc, but the putter goes back pretty straight. The arc and path don't really match.

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29 minutes ago, iacas said:

I'd get the elbows in a bit and let your stroke have a bit more arc. You open and close the face like it's an arc, but the putter goes back pretty straight. The arc and path don't really match.

Ok, will do that 

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Today’s Session 6-17-20

Have been playing a lot, playing well. I spent my free time practicing my putting instead of full swing until I got it under control. It was BAD! lol

Putting much better now. I got a little longer putter and got my head in a better spot for me. I can aim better while feeling like I am aimed correctly.

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This is an old putting photo. But I got my head more behind the ball (direction of arrow). Can see my line much better.

Have not hit balls on range sine 6-4-20. Swing started to deteriorate, duck hooks. Not awful, but it was “deteriorating”


Swings 6i


SETUP

My setup has felt bad- squatty or frumpy. I tried bending my knees a tad more.

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My hands feel too far ahead at setup. When I try to lean the shaft less-club feels bad, swing feels worse.

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P4

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My shoulder tilts also got flat . It was worse earlier in session. I’m driving myself crazy with this problem. 

I will continue mapping the shoulder tilts in the mirror.

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Wednesday 7-8-20

  • I have been playing and practicing
  • I *think* parts of my swing are the best they have ever been (plane, body rotation through impact)

Acquired hooks of the high and duck variety on any hybrid or wood (ball can start right of target or at target and hook 100+ yards sideways. I’m *guessing* it’s face related tho)

Im not complaining, just need some help


SWINGS

7i (no hook problem)

3h (scared to death on course, this was a stress free swing that started a tad right of target hooked across the range)

DTL 7i for reference


The good

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I’m happy with shoulder tilts at P4. Happy with downswing

The issues?

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Face too shut at top

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Is grip too strong? have tried weakening grip with no success. (Yet)


My “plan” (in order to get club more open at P4)

  • hinge wrists vertically through the backswing
  • rotate forearms more from P1-P2 

@iacas Do I need a lesson, might be time for one anyways...What do you think, I’m all ears. (When you have time of course)

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9 minutes ago, Slim_Pivot said:

Is grip too strong? have tried weakening grip with no success. (Yet)

Yes, but also, it looks like you might have caught it off the toe.

9 minutes ago, Slim_Pivot said:

@iacas Do I need a lesson, might be time for one anyways...What do you think, I’m all ears. (When you have time of course)

How's August 1? 🙂

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3 minutes ago, iacas said:

Seems like a ways away.

I can def do one of the days.  Was waiting to commit..closing on a house and every time I turn around someone wants a large check lol. I didn’t want to sign up to play and back out.

If I do Aug 1, do you have any suggestions in the meantime so I don’t duck-hook for 20 more days

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5 minutes ago, Slim_Pivot said:

Seems like a ways away.

I can def do one of the days.  Was waiting to commit..closing on a house and every time I turn around someone wants a large check lol. I didn’t want to sign up to play and back out.

If I do Aug 1, do you have any suggestions in the meantime so I don’t duck-hook for 20 more days

We can do something earlier too, perhaps.

But yeah, like I said, two things:

  • Slightly weaker grip.
  • If you're hitting it off the toe, stop. Gear effect can be a bitch.

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***Start Disclaimer***

I am not a golf professional so please take the following with that in mind. You are also significantly more experienced and a better golfer than myself. Maybe the stuff I'm seeing isn't even happening, and I'm just talking nonsense. Feel free to tell me that if it is the case. It also may be something you do to bring in a specific aspect of your swing I may be unaware of.

***End Disclaimer***

 

Have you always had that hitch with your head that occurs very early on in the backswing? I'd say it starts at like P1.5 and by P2 is very very different than anything I've seen from every pro swing I've looked at. Each line in the subsequent pictures is simply through the very top of the hat down through the chin. The first pictures of each set are P1 and then the latter picture of each set is P2.

 

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Edited by Grizvok

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13 minutes ago, Grizvok said:

***Start Disclaimer***

I am not a golf professional so please take the following with that in mind. You are also significantly more experienced and a better golfer than myself. Maybe the stuff I'm seeing isn't even happening, and I'm just talking nonsense. Feel free to tell me that if it is the case. It also may be something you do to bring in a specific aspect of your swing I may be unaware of.

***End Disclaimer***

 

Have you always had that hitch with your head that occurs very early on in the backswing? I'd say it starts at like P1.5 and by P2 is very very different than anything I've seen from every pro swing I've looked at. Each line in the subsequent pictures is simply through the very top of the hat down through the chin. The first pictures of each set are P1 and then the latter picture of each set is P2.

 

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Ya I agree. No need for a disclaimer-I don’t mind my dude.

When i tried to fix it, I couldn’t get my shoulders steep. Totally frustrating-so I gave up on it for a while -“bigger fish to fry” type of situation.

But ya, it’s ugly! I’ll give you that lol.

Seems like my lead shoulder is the problem..looks like it gets in the way- then the neck kinks.

-his shoulder looks like it has plenty of room to go under his chin.

Good point tho, my plan was to start on takeaway. (Rotate forearms and set wrists to get club more open.) maybe it will help get my lead shoulder moving better to begin with.

I don’t think it’s ‘causing the duck hook’ and ball striking is solid (as in the strike) But it is a vanity project, like my right knee was earlier-and hey that’s as good as it’s ever been.

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1 hour ago, Slim_Pivot said:

Ya I agree. No need for a disclaimer-I don’t mind my dude.

When i tried to fix it, I couldn’t get my shoulders steep. Totally frustrating-so I gave up on it for a while -“bigger fish to fry” type of situation.

But ya, it’s ugly! I’ll give you that lol.

Seems like my lead shoulder is the problem..looks like it gets in the way- then the neck kinks.

-his shoulder looks like it has plenty of room to go under his chin.

Good point tho, my plan was to start on takeaway. (Rotate forearms and set wrists to get club more open.) maybe it will help get my lead shoulder moving better to begin with.

I don’t think it’s ‘causing the duck hook’ and ball striking is solid (as in the strike) But it is a vanity project, like my right knee was earlier-and hey that’s as good as it’s ever been.

Gotcha. That all makes sense. Thanks for the response.

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