Overrated/Underrated (Golf) Topic

[David L Yskes]

Overrated/Underrated #4 :  Winning the US Open vs the other majors

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[klineka]

32 minutes ago, David L Yskes said:

Overrated/Underrated #4 :  Winning the US Open vs the other majors

I'm confused. 

All of the other topics here so far have been single topics/phrases/people, not comparisons. The over/underrated is how you are comparing the topic. So in my mind, it should be just "Winning the US Open" and then it would be up for debate as to if winning the US Open is overrated or underrated.

Essentially it feels like you're asking me to choose whether winning the US Open or one of the other majors is better, and then decide whether or not my choice is over/underrated? I dont get it.

Example, what if I think that winning the US Open is better than winning The Open Championship, but I think that winning The Masters is better than winning the US Open? Can't really answer your question if those were my answers. But if the question was purely around is winning the US Open over/underrated, then people could look at past winners, past scores, past fields, etc and determine for themselves if they think that people that win the US Open are over/underrated

Edited December 11, 2018 by klineka

[iacas]

Yeah, that one doesn't work @David L Yskes. In addition to what @klineka said, I don't think anyone truly knows how highly people rate "winning the U.S. Open vs. winning other majors." So they can't say whether it's over-rated or under-rated.

So I'm changing your question, and here's the new #4:

Overrated/Underrated #4:  Winning a Major

Just now, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #4:  Winning a Major

I'm going with overrated, but slightly.

The greats will get their major championships. To me, this is about those guys who get 0, 1, 2… maybe even 3.

In other words, Dustin Johnson (19/1) vs. Brooks Koepka (5/3). I'm inclined to go with Dustin on that one, and thus, to over-rate majors. Andy North won two U.S. Opens… and one other PGA Tour event. Is he a better golfer than Dustin Johnson? Not by a mile!

Winning majors is over-rated. The Masters has a tiny field, and is easier to win than most of the WGCs. The U.S. Open and British Open are weaker fields than some PGA Tour events (well, the Players is stronger than almost all but the PGA Championship).

Overrated. Slightly.

[NM Golf]

9 minutes ago, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #4:  Winning a Major

Underrated- Your life changes when you win a major. Even the guys that completely tank afterwards like Todd Hamilton and Shaun Micheel have that one Major win they can hang their hats on. I mean would anyone know who Rich Beem was if he hadn't won the 2002 PGA? No, of course not, yet the guy is even getting commentating gigs. If he had won the 2002 Byron Nelson he'd be selling real estate somewhere right now.

Edited December 11, 2018 by NM Golf

[iacas]

23 minutes ago, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #4:  Winning a Major

Another in support of over-rated: Geoff Ogilvy shared on a podcast that guys like Charles Howell III are looked at much, much better than the Todd Hamiltons or Michael Campbells of the world. The guys who are able to be consistent money winners on Tour for 15, 20, 25 years… earn TONS of respect from their peers. The flashes in the pan, the guys who get hot for a little while… not so much.

[NM Golf]

2 minutes ago, iacas said:

Another in support of over-rated: Geoff Ogilvy shared on a podcast that guys like Charles Howell III are looked at much, much better than the Todd Hamiltons or Michael Campbells of the world. The guys who are able to be consistent money winners on Tour for 15, 20, 25 years… earn TONS of respect from their peers. The flashes in the pan, the guys who get hot for a little while… not so much.

I agree with this as well. I don't think a Major Championship necessarily defines a great career. Kuchar most likely will not win a major championship yet has won a ton of money and been extremely successful being a guy that makes cuts and has a ton of high finishes. So I guess I would say Underrated for the person winning it, and overrated for the people who don't. Does that even make sense?

[saevel25]

37 minutes ago, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #4:  Winning a Major

Overrated. The majors are not even the toughest tournaments throughout the season. Don't get me wrong, I tune in for every major though.

[HJJ003]

50 minutes ago, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #4:  Winning a Major

Tough one for me. I’ll go with overrated simply because I agree what what @saevel25 has said. They don’t have the toughest fields in most cases (Due to small field or open qualification process). I also don’t think they can underrated simply because they are thought of generally as the greatest tournaments to win so it’s hard to underrate that...

[gbogey]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #4:  Winning a Major

Overrated, or at least the emphasis the media puts on winning a major.  Take someone who seems to be generally a likeable guy, say Henrik Stenson - is his career held that much more esteem with a major than without?

Edited December 11, 2018 by iacas
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[Bucki1968]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

 

Overrated/Underrated #4:  Winning a Major

I think this one is easy....Underrated. You are going down in history. You are going to the Masters Champions dinner and the Champions Locker room. Your name goes on the other three most sought after trophies in golf. 

[iacas]

2 minutes ago, Bucki1968 said:

I think this one is easy....Underrated. You are going down in history. You are going to the Masters Champions dinner and the Champions Locker room. Your name goes on the other three most sought after trophies in golf. 

Huh?

You don't go to the Masters Champions Dinner if you win the U.S. Open, the British Open, or the PGA. And I don't even know what your last sentence means…?

Remember, too, this is "underrated" or "overrated." It's not a matter of whether it's a big deal or not, it's a matter of whether people rate it at the proper level or not.

[dennyjones]

4 hours ago, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #4:  Winning a Major

Overrated:   Danny Willett.....Who was he...

In defense of his Masters title, Willett shot opening rounds of 73 and 78 for a total of seven-over-par. He missed the cut by one stroke, becoming the first defending champion to do so since Mike Weir in 2004.

At the end of the 2016–17 season, Willett lost his PGA Tour privileges for failing to make the required fifteen starts.^[10]

2018

Willett had a very poor start to his 2018 season. He had nine missed cuts and a withdrawal in his first twelve tournaments. After the 2018 BMW PGA Championship, Willett fell to 462nd in the Official World Golf Ranking. 

[boogielicious]

6 hours ago, iacas said:

Overrated/Underrated #4:  Winning a Major

Overrated for those who have not won one!😀

This is a tough one because by strength of field, some majors are not even that high in the list. So as a golf achievement they can be overrated. But for prestige, they are worth a lot. 

[Bucki1968]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

Huh?

You don't go to the Masters Champions Dinner if you win the U.S. Open, the British Open, or the PGA. And I don't even know what your last sentence means…?

Remember, too, this is "underrated" or "overrated." It's not a matter of whether it's a big deal or not, it's a matter of whether people rate it at the proper level or not.

If you win the Masters you get all the perks of being a Masters Champion (dinner, member, etc.). The other three trophies (US open, Claret Jug, and Wanamaker) your name goes on for all time. I'm talking about winning one of them. They all make you immortal in the world of golf. They are the four most sought after tournaments in golf. Nobody remembers who won the 1986 Bob Hope, but everyone knows who won the 1986 Masters. 

[iacas]

1 hour ago, Bucki1968 said:

If you win the Masters you get all the perks of being a Masters Champion (dinner, member, etc.). The other three trophies (US open, Claret Jug, and Wanamaker) your name goes on for all time. I'm talking about winning one of them. They all make you immortal in the world of golf. They are the four most sought after tournaments in golf. Nobody remembers who won the 1986 Bob Hope, but everyone knows who won the 1986 Masters. 

Okay, but it wasn’t clear earlier. Winning “a major” only gets you to the Champions Dinner if it’s the Masters.

[Beastie]

18 hours ago, iacas said:

 

Overrated/Underrated #4:  Winning a Major

 

Underrated 

18 hours ago, iacas said:

 

In other words, Dustin Johnson (19/1) vs. Brooks Koepka (5/3). I'm inclined to go with Dustin on that one, and thus, to over-rate majors. 

 

Koepka is 6/3 if you include his European tour win. And he is 6 years younger than DJ. I would rather have the 3 Majors

[David L Yskes]

ok, thats my bad on that question........     i think winning a golf Major is underrated in the grand scheme of things...   I say that because when people use to say is Phil a great golfer.... ya but he's never won a major...   Same with Sergio, ya he's good / great, but now he's got a major.. 

and like IACAS said, longevity in career helps too, and not just getting hot for a couple of weeks..  

[GolfLug]

21 hours ago, iacas said:

@David L Yskes@klineka

Overrated/Underrated #4:  Winning a Major

Sorry for the wierd tags above. I don't mean to tag either one of you. Some reason my cell phone backspace can't erase any tags. 

Anyway, for my vote winning a major is DEFINITELY not underrated. It may be overrated in terms of comparing successful careers.

For example, Sergio winning Masters didn't elevate him any more than he already was. It simply enhanced his already terrific career sans majors.