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  1. Welcome to The Sand Trap. I don’t think it’s bad. I thinks it helps the game get publicity, but I don’t think everyone will be running out to get same length clubs and bulk up to play. He finally won a major at 27. Morikawa won the PGA on his first try this year and is a different kind of golfer. My issue is the announcers more than BD. They were talking Nobel prize for a guy with 3 years of college physics at an average school for the sciences. Does he like to tinker? Absolutely. Should he be asked to replace Hawking as the Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at Cambridge? No. They talk about his power with the driver, but he wasn’t even the longest hitter this week. So they are building a myth about him that I feel is unwarranted to this point. His final round opponent was hitting it farther. Wolff was really impressive because he is just 21. I hope BD settles down and becomes an ambassador for the game. But with his temperament, he may go the García route.
  2. The Definition I think there's a misconception out there that "staying connected" means that you keep your arms (or your elbows) very close to you throughout the swing. This often manifests in a golf swing where the trail elbow stays very close to the ribs, pulls "around" the body toward or past the shirt seam, and the lead arm has a good bit of adduction, resulting in a narrow angle between the collarbones and the arm. This is not a bad literal interpretation of "staying connected." What could be more "connected" than keeping your trail elbow almost attached to your rib cage and your lead arm nearly touching your collarbones? If you ask me, though, I think the actual definition of "staying connected" is about synchronization, or sequencing, and not about keeping various body parts physically close. Think about other sports for a second: in no other sport do you really want to stay "connected" as in "close." In tennis or baseball, players talk about "extension" and being able to get their arms off or away from their bodies. While outside pitches can be tough to catch up to and pull as a hitter, inside pitches "jam" you. Being "jammed" is not a recipe for power or speed, and yet golfers do this all the time to themselves. Why? For "consistency"? In my experience, requiring your trail elbow to go around your body is one of the least consistent things a golfer can do. Lead Arm Adduction First… huh? Basically, it's moving your left arm toward (and possibly past) the center of your body, like this: In the golf swing, your lead arm starts hanging down almost vertically and almost 90° to your collarbones, and then you move it across your body slightly throughout the backswing, then increase that angle again throughout the downswing and into the follow-through. Good players tend to have less lead arm adduction than poorer players. The Roles of the Body Parts A golf swing goes back, up, and in. Let's isolate those dimensions: Back - What's responsible for swinging the arms back? Sure, from setup, you could adduct your lead arm and your hands would go back, but in a good player's swing, the primary driver of this motion is the rotation of the body. From face-on, if you keep both arms straight and only turn back, your arms swing back quite a ways. Ergo, the body is mostly responsible for this motion. In - Once again, the body's pivot is almost entirely responsible here. At address, your arms are hanging beneath the buttons or placket on your shirt. If you turn your torso 90°, and do nothing with your arms, they'll have gained 12-18" of depth, purely via the turn. (More on this in the topic linked below his bullet list.) Up - Though a backswing pivot will make your hands go up a few inches, this is by far the primary responsibility of the arms. The trail elbow will fold and lift off the ribs a bit, and the lead arm will also (mostly because of what the trail arm is doing) rise up in front of the chest, too. The trail elbow folding is what is mostly responsible for pulling the lead arm into adduction, as you can try this out for yourself: hold your arms straight out in front of you, gripping an imaginary club, and then bend your trail elbow 80° (creating a 100° angle or so). Notice how your lead arm adducts slightly. This topic highlights how the pivot or turn is largely responsible for the back and in parts, while the trail elbow bending and coming away from the ribs is responsible for the "up" portion. Do what I said again in the "up" part: Find a wall and stand close to the wall with your trail shoulder, hip, and foot closest and your lead shoulder, hip, and foot farthest from the wall (so that you're "perpendicular" to the wall). Hold your arms out horizontally away from you with your hands gripping an imaginary club. Bend your trail elbow to about 100°. Notice that your hands, which started out roughly in the middle of your chest off your sternum and well away from the wall, have moved slightly toward the trail side (where the wall is), but not so much that they're pushing through or even really touching the wall. If you'd like, let the trail elbow move up and away from your ribs, carrying the lead arm up or down with it. This demonstrates how the trail elbow tends to work in the golf swings of good golfers (some golfers go into more internal rotation during the backswing, with the elbow kicking out toward the wall a bit, but the hands tend to stay relatively central). Keeping Your Hands In Front of You Your hands moving slightly across your chest toward the trail side does help add a little "depth" to the hands, but it's not much. The turn is still the primary driver of depth. This is why you'll sometimes hear instructors or players say that they're "keeping their hands in front of themselves." Bad golfers get into a lot of trouble when they don't "keep their hands in front of their chest." They get into trouble when their hands (and the trail elbow in particular) get too far "around" their body, toward the "shirt seam." Proper Sequencing I said above that "staying connected" is more, to me, a matter of sequencing or synchronization. What do I mean by that? Well, it's simple: At setup, your arms hang just in front of the center of your chest. Throughout the backswing, the arms (and hands) move slightly toward the trail side of your chest as your trail elbow folds and your lead arm adducts slightly. The angle between the lead arm and the collarbones gets a bit smaller (by about 15-20°). Throughout the downswing and into the early follow-through, the arms abduct and the angle between the lead arm and the collarbones widens out again, getting even a bit wider than it was at setup (20-25° of abduction from A4 is not uncommon). That's about it - the arms move across your chest relatively little. They'll go up (trail elbow folds, comes off the ribs), they'll go in (a little of the adduction, mostly the body pivoting), and they'll go back (almost entirely turning). In other words, except for a little motion back across your chest and then forward across your chest, for the bulk of the backswing and early downswing, your hands travel pretty much in sync with your chest. This is what I take "staying connected" to mean. A golfer who isn't "connected" likely moves his hands and arms well across his chest and around his body too much, where they often lag behind and get "trapped" or "stuck" around behind the body, so the chest is rotating through much earlier than the arms. The average golfer will then do one of two things: Stall the body so the arms can catch up and fly past, resulting in a flippy, rolling club face. Keep pivoting and the arms get dragged behind, late, by the lead shoulder and chest turning through. The latter is common among juniors with thin arms, undeveloped chests, and massive flexibility who can adduct their lead arm so much that it's almost touching both collarbones, and whose hands seem to ride their trail hip the whole downswing. Picture Time! I shot some pictures in my back yard that I'll walk through. Quite often, I pair a "bad" swing (too much adduction, with the lead arm getting too far "across" the chest and the trail elbow too far "around" the body) on the left with a "good" swing on the right. Though, the first one is just the early stages of someone getting off on the wrong foot: In photo 1, my elbow has started to rotate around my body a bit too much early in the swing, and then at the top, my trail elbow is around the shirt seam and pointing straight camera left, basically. My lead arm is tight against my chest with a very narrow angle between it and my collarbones. Not shown here, but commonly seen among golfers: rolled forearms that roll the clubhead well inside. In photo 2, I take the "top" position from the first image and simply move my trail elbow around back "in front" of my chest. This is an exaggerated move, as Jason Dufner (freak that he is) barely gets this much external rotation of the trail shoulder at the top of his backswing. This position on the right isn't so much to demonstrate anything other than the extreme ends of the range while keeping the elbow just two inches from my rib cage. The third image is a bit more realistic for a golf swing on the right, and even more exaggerated of a "bad" position on the left, with the trail elbow WAY around behind me. My hands are almost completely off my right side and not at all "in front of my chest," like they are on the right. The fourth image is my attempt at re-creating the third image — really far around me on the left, in front of my chest on the right — while elevating my elbow well off my rib cage. My torso/shoulders are still turned about the same amount, though on the right it will appear as though I've turned less from this angle due to the way my trail shoulder and shirt look. When my trail shoulder pulls really far around me, it stretches out my shirt a bit and gives the appearance of more turn. A face-on look at some extreme examples: note the relative position of the trail elbow and the shirt seam. On the left, you can see my elbow on the "target" side of my body. On the right, it's well away from the target. My trail "upper arm" is pointing away from the ball on the left, and away from the target on the right. Almost a 90° difference. The sixth image is a lot like the first, except with a high trail elbow. Again, because of how my shoulders move my shirt, it will appear as though I've turned quite a bit more on the left when, if you look at my body (especially my hips, etc.) you'll see I haven't turned much more at all. Starting down in photo 7 here. On the left, the trail elbow is still stuck or trapped around behind my hips and the shirt seam, with a small angle between my collarbones and lead arm. On the right, a larger angle and a trail elbow that has time and space to get in front of the trail hip. On the left, my hands are still off to the trail side of my chest, while on the right they're still "in front of my chest." Photo 8 gives us a 45° look at the downswing, and is almost the same pose as photo 7. Notice how my lead arm is still pinned against my chest on the left, and has space and room on the right. Photo 9 are both "bad" versions of a trail elbow that's gone too far "around" me — both with very little elevation off the ribs and a lot of elevation off the ribs. The final photo shows a "better" position with my hands more "in front of my chest" with both low and high elevation off the rib cage. A few PGA Tour Pros Let's go from "lowest" to "highest." First, Matt Kuchar: No doubt, Kuchar lets his elbow get "around" him a little bit. You're going to tend to have to if you swing at this angle, particularly if you don't let your hips turn a bit more than Matt has done here. But, look at this face-on view, and consider where his trail elbow is relative to his shirt seam. Look at how wide the angle is between his lead arm and collarbones late in the downswing, compared to the "bad" photos up above. The angle continues to increase throughout the downswing, and though Matt's chest doesn't turn through as hard as some, the angle is well over 90° by this point. Rory McIlroy is up next: Mid-backswing on the left, top of the swing on the right. His elbow is nowhere near his "shirt seam" (which the yellow line kind of indicates - under the arm pit of his sweater). The lead arm increases the angle as the trail elbow is allowed to and has room to get in front of the body again, because the hands are essentially "in front of his chest." Hands in front of the chest at impact (just forward of center), and still in front of his chest (a bit more forward of center) mid-follow-through. Finally, Justin Thomas: Much higher hands, with more trail elbow elevation, but the arms are still saying "in front of his chest." If Justin Thomas was standing with his trail shoulder against a wall, his hands would barely be brushing that wall. Justin turns as hard as anyone, but still fights and pulls the lead arm across the chest throughout the downswing. Is it toward the front side of his chest, like some others? No. JT gets more of his speed from rotation than some others, but the hands are still in front of him, not dragging behind behind the trail pocket. What's the Point? Done right, "staying connected" is a great thing. But done incorrectly, or with the wrong idea, "staying connected" can lead to a "jammed" feeling that lacks freedom and speed and athleticism. It can lead to a swing where the lead arm adducts too much, the trail elbow swings around your body too much, and you struggle with both contact and path issues. Your arms primarily elevate the hands up in front of your chest (and slightly across your chest), while your body's pivot is largely responsible for getting your hands deeper (inward) and back. You know how you see beginning junior players almost "picking the club up and chopping down on the ball"? Well, it turns out they're not too far off from a good action: they just need to turn more! 😄 BTW, I think AMG has another good video somewhere on YouTube on this, but I haven't found it yet. Before you click play, too, look at the poster image here: Notice that the PGA Tour player's lead arm adducts only about 18°, keeping the hands in front of himself, while the amateur's adducts 43°, moving the hands well across the chest. The way I define things, the amateur is "disconnected" even though he might be able to, say, keep a towel or a tee in his trail armpit more so than the professional on the left.
  3. I do hope it changes golf for the better, in terms of helping put to bed many of golf's little idioms that turned out to be lies once we had access to the relevant data. I really appreciate how Bryson has fully embraced the statistics to optimize his golf game. So many players, including a lot of tour professionals, ignore the basic facts that show you're better off hitting an approach from closer to the hole even if it means using a partial swing or hitting from the rough. Conditions at courses like Winged Foot with monstrous rough are outliers, because most of the time the rough isn't that big of a problem and even at Winged Foot it still wasn't always or even often worth the difference in approach shot distance. If you're strong enough to hit the ball 320+ off the tee, you're strong enough to also hit the ball out of the rough without an issue other than reduced backspin. Tiger Woods was the catalyst that pushed professional golfers to truly be strong and fit athletes, because he showed what kind of difference it can make. I'm hoping that DeChambeau can be the catalyst that pushes professional golfers to utilize data to optimize their strategy, rather than relying as heavily on gut feelings and tradition. The only disappointing thing is that I saw him removing flagsticks for his putts all week, but I don't know if the US Open used flagsticks with a high enough COR to make flagstick in or out a better play with regards to the statistics. All of this critical thinking is good for the game of golf though, rather than bad. People asked the same thing about Tiger, if it was bad that golfers would now need to hit the gym and bomb their drives to keep up, and I think the changes Tiger inspired has given us some great players and tournaments in the years since his debut. I believe the same will be said about Bryson if he managed to spark a trend of golfers analyzing their game to play optimally.
  4. Hey guys I can now join the hole in one club. I'm 69 yrs old usually play from senior tees. Yesterday played with 6 of us from the white for a little $ game. I holed out on a par 3, 127 yards with a 8. Pretty exciting.😉
  5. Just do it. Find a way. Golf is just a game. 72 or 92, your life won’t change. And very few people outside of yourself even care that day what you shoot.
  6. I can carry my driver over 300 yards. It is usually in the bag, but I can certainly carry it around the course if I want to. What’s it weight, 2 pounds?😜
  7. U.S. OPEN – LIVE COVERAGE AIRTIMES (SEPT. 17-20, EST): Thursday, Sept. 17 7:30a.m.-2 p.m. GOLF Channel 2-5 p.m. NBC 5-7 p.m. Peacock Friday, Sept. 18 7:30-9:30 a.m. Peacock 9:30 a.m.-4 p.m. GOLF Channel 4-7 p.m. NBC Saturday, Sept. 19 9-11 a.m. Peacock 11 a.m.-7:30 p.m. NBC Sunday, Sept. 20 8-10 a.m. Peacock 10 a.m.-Noon GOLF Channel Noon-6 p.m. NBC
  8. Maybe I’m missing something, but isn’t the point of the club championship to find out who the best player in the club is? I think it’s stupid they want to exclude players because they are effectively too good and played competitively at a higher level.
  9. To survive another year of winter depression...
  10. Stupid face? Check. Stupid hat? Check. Slow player? Check. Of course he's bad for the game, what else needs to be determined? Close this thread. 🙂
  11. If you have an AppleTV, you don't need to AirPlay to it. But here, let me get a new avatar for you:
  12. Counterpoint: most everyone has a repeating swing.
  13. Who is up for some Fantasy Golf? The 2020-21 season already starts this Thursday with the Safeway Open. Many of The Sand Trap members have been partaking in Fantasy Golf for over a decade now, and we welcome all TST members to join our robust league. In the past, we have played ESPN, then Yahoo, and The Golf Channel fantasy leagues, and have used the PGA Tour Fantasy site since last season; it is fun, engaging, and does not take a lot of time, and from my experience, keeps me more interested in the PGA Tour throughout the season. And TST League is always one of the more competitive out there. Essentially, you have to pick six players per week, and have 4 starters and 2 on the bench; the bench is there to sub in in case of missed cut etc....the catch is the season is divided into 4 Segments, and you only get to use a player 3 times per segment, so some roster management is needed. For example, even if you only put a player in your roster for a single round, it uses up one of the 3 starts for that player for the segment. Points are awarded in each round for each player for a multitude of factors (see link to the rules at the end of this post). To join, you must first go to https://www.pgatour.com/fantasy.html and create a Team. Once you have done this, you go to the fantasy golf to the right tab, and choose the red "Fantasy Golf". Then, you can join the TST Fantasy Golf league by following these steps: Join my league in PGA TOUR Fantasy #PGATOURfantasy Golf League URL: https://fantasygolf.pgatour.com/api/v6/pgaroster/og/object/leagues/id/22988League Name: TST Fantasy GolfThe password is: thesandtrap When you sign up, I so highly recommend that you sign up for the roster alerts, which lets you know if you have not filled your roster before the deadline, and then also alerts you if a player has missed a cut, WD etc. If you miss a week, you can still play along, but it is hard to catch up. Description: PGA TOUR Fantasy allows you to show off your knowledge of the sport by picking a team of 6 PGA TOUR Professionals (4 Starters, 2 Bench). Scoring is live and exclusive using PGA TOUR Shotlink and based on player performance on the course. Play with your friends in a private group or test your skills in one of our public groups. Whether you want to play for prizes, glory or bragging rights PGA TOUR Fantasy is the only live fantasy game where the outcome of each shot matters.Official Rules: https://fantasygolf.pgatour.com/#/roster/rules @Club Rat @Aces Wild @Warren Zevon @mildee @Northwoods88 @coachjimsc @Wally Fairway @Shindig @boogielicious @Bill Fusion @golfguide @DaveP043 @Alanpe @djfajt71 @bruce @Antneye @smdillon @Ballgame59 @vijofrech If you are already a member of the League from last year, no need to join again....just set your roster and our League stays there....I have tagged everyone here who was in last year, or posted in the previous threads and showed some interest. Spread the word and invite other TST members and see if we can get our numbers up. Good luck to all.
  14. Anyone with a club membership and amateur status should be allowed. If they aren't making money playing golf than they're in the same boat as us. Although some are in a better boat.
  15. I think on-course lessons are often a waste of time. So much time spent driving around, not much time hitting shots, almost none of it filmed, etc. On-course or playing lessons are valuable in two or three instances: A serious student who is spending a good chunk of time (and often $) on his golf game, as a part of an ongoing or regular lesson series. It's good to just see how the lessons are being applied in the "real world" and not just on the range. A newer player or a player who is really improving, but who has no idea how to play certain kinds of shots. This is often at a course with a lot of variety and unique shots - sidehill lies, deep bunkers, fast greens, whatever. People might not understand the different types of shots you can hit, or how to strategize and choose shots on the course. The third is when a student is doing well on the range but can't seem to take it to the course. Often this is one of two things: a) alignment, or b) a mental issue. Finding out which can be quite valuable.
  16. True story: I was invited to play in a scramble a few years ago. As the day approached the weather reports were indicating rain. My golf partners were taking a cautious, wait and see attitude. The night before the event all of my partners had bowed out. The scramble had not officially been cancelled at this point. Having taken the day off, I decided to head over to the course at the appointed time and see what was up, hit some range balls and perhaps head into the office late. When I got to the course the registration table was active and signing people is, so I signed in as well. I mentioned my situation and that I may be hitting multiple shots due to partners who may not show up. No problem I was told. Well I was 9 under par after 12 holes when the event was called off due to rain. I was soaked from head to toe, but won first prize of $400. I think that was the day I also won a laser range finder. Off the tee, if it was an acceptable shot I did not take another in order to save energy being over 50 years of age. I usually hit 2 or 3 approach shots. Putting was the best: lay 4 balls down and keep hitting them until one goes in. Made a lot of birdies from 15 to 20+ feet out. First putt a little high? Hit it on a lower line. That one a little low? Try something in the middle and... bingo, another birdie. one of the best times I every had on the golf course.
  17. So, on a good, but not exceptional, day, what are you shooting? You can also give your exceptional scores if you want. For me, I’ll shoot high 80s on a good day on my home course. For example, I shot 87 on the home track on Saturday. Could’ve been better too. On an exceptional day, I can shoot mid/low 80s. When I really get dialed, I can go ultra low. In back to back rounds about two months ago, I shot 80 and 83. The 80 could’ve been a 77 or 78 if it wasn’t for a triple on the third and doubles on both par 3s on the back. Those are still my two lowest scores today.
  18. I like your turn on the backswing. A definite improvement.
  19. Had a very encouraging range session today. Saw lots of progress with getting my swing on plane. It's not where I want it yet but it's light years from where I started. Some negatives I saw is that my knees are still too flexed. It's proving tougher than I thought to fix that. I'm also standing up a bit through impact.
  20. If skying it and missing the fairway in the process is an achievement, I feel my talents are going unrecognized.
  21. The only reason Zach Johnson finished anywhere decent this week was because he putted his ass off (Which has quite a bit to do with luck and isn't sustainable on a week to week basis). He gained 9.6 strokes putting over the 4 rounds, which is almost half as many total strokes as he gained in 54 measured rounds last year (19.9 total strokes gained putting) He lost over a stroke total off the tee to the field, and lost over 6 strokes to Bryson off the tee. Johnson also only gained .5 strokes approach to the field over 4 rounds compared to Bryson who gained 7.5 over the 4 rounds. Think about that for a second, Zach Johnson had what was most likely one of the best putting tournaments of his life, was better than the field average in approaching the green, and STILL lost by 12 shots... Some weeks on some courses, sure. But not as a whole across all golfers on all courses over the entire season. The data simply just doesn't support your claim. This was posted on the Superspeedgolf instagram page back in June
  22. I'm not sure what your point is. YOU are the one who claimed there was no GOAT, just best of their era. Yet arguably the 2 best of all time seem to think there is such a thing as GOAT. Your 'evidence' doesn't support your point, it cuts against it. Now as to WHO the GOAT is? Unlike Jack, Tiger has been too classy to tailor the criteria for determining GOAT to his own accomplishments. But while Tiger has a classy opinion, we don't have to agree. But the fact is that by every measure but one, # of majors, Tiger has far surpassed Jack in virtually every other metric. Against MUCH tougher competition. No one would blame you for not reading 400 pages of this long-running discussion, but if you want to participate in a meaningful way you should maybe read the last 20 pages. Because so far every point you've raised has been pretty conclusively been dealt with.
  23. There's a big difference between having more in the tank and actually using that extra on the course during a tournament. Bryson has done it and shown that he can still hit it accurate enough to win, nobody else really has. At least not on a regular basis. I know he is still young, but I would be shocked if Wolff gets to the point where he adds 10+ mph to his top end ball speed in a tournament. That would just match him with Bryson too, who has already stated that he is going to explore using up to a 48" driver, which has the potential to give Bryson even more ball speed and I think it's only a matter of time before we see Bryson break the 200mph mark.
  24. The only thing it's bad for is media having more shitty takes about how the ball goes too far.
  25. He can be abrasive and has been caught a few times where some people think he acts like an ass. Having someone win a major where a percentage of people have issues with him is going to bring out negativity. Unlike someone you might just go “meh” to. I don’t think it’s bad for the game, but unfortunately he’s someone I would root against. Not the only thing, but someone who lashes out at a cameraman about hurting his brand is not someone I’m going to enjoy winning. Ricky Fowler is uber conscious of his “brand” but doesn’t act like that. BD acts like the game has to bend to him. Not a fan, but hey he did it in the least number of strokes, so it’s a good thing for him and people who like him.
  26. Nor do I, and @Mr Puddle will yet again be serving a timeout. And if @Mr Puddle makes any comment about how he doesn't think this was bad, or indicates that he fails to see what he did wrong here, or anything of the sort, either now or before the 20 points I gave him expire in a year, he'll be gone permanently. This type of behavior is not tolerated here.
  27. I for one don't care for the tone of the "humor" in these past few posts.
  28. I don’t think JS could grow a beard if he used fertilizer.....
  29. The ball is not lost. The ball is "holed" and it is over at that point. No penalty for dropping and nothing else you do counts. ALWAYS look in the hole.
  30. 3 points
    This somewhat continues a blog posting from 2016. If anyone is interested (Anyone?... Anyone?... Bueller), here is a link: https://thesandtrap.com/blogs/entry/91-the-end-to-sand-bagging/ Fast forward 4+ years and I now occupy the highly sought-after position of Handicap Chairman. We modified the Knuth Tournament Point System for our club. Members accumulate points over the course of the season but, rather than roll the points over to the next year, we start fresh. One of the biggest drawbacks with a “rolling 2-year” computation was the recordkeeping involved. We also moved to a “Competition Only” handicap for our members. We develop a handicap index based solely on “C” (formerly “T”) scores. Players continue to post all their scores to GHIN to maintain their GHIN index. We pull the “C” scores out and calculate an index using the WHS calculation but with just their “C” scores. An excel spreadsheet makes this process fairly easy. The move to a “Competition Only” index has largely solved the issue of sandbagging. Over the course of a season, few members are successful enough to “earn” a Knuth handicap reduction. After 9 tournaments in 2020, three members currently have reductions of 2-3 strokes. Most of our member’s GHIN indexes closely mirror their “C-only” indexes we use in our tournaments. Only one member has won their Flight more than a single time. The exception, surprisingly, has won 3 times in 5 tournaments. That success has earned him 9 Knuth points and a 3-stroke reduction going forward. When I gave him the news, he was not pleased. Here is an excerpt from his response: “… In using this system, it is not making (our tournaments) fair or equitable. It is like anybody who plays should get a ribbon because they participated, make all feel good, nobody loses, SOCIALISM.” I tied to talk to him at the next tournament but he did not want to discuss his situation. If he had stopped a moment, he might have realized the entire system of handicapping is a bit of “socialism”. He clearly would not fare too well even-up with his 10-handicap game against our scratch members. The handicap system is designed to make it possible for everyone to have a chance at getting a ribbon, as he put it, but it does not guarantee a ribbon. Still, he does somewhat have a point about our club’s efforts at leveling the playing field. By using a “Competition Only” index, eventually even the worst choker will see his index rise sufficiently to make him competitive. Why practice and try to become better when eventually poor play will result in a competitive index? For example, “Rob” is a tall, strong individual. He has a good swing and is capable of hitting the ball a long way, relatively straight. Still, he seems to be a bit of a vanity handicapper. A couple years ago he was playing in our “A” Flight (unsuccessfully). While his current GHIN index is 7.1, his scores from his last 8 tournaments are: 89, 83, 88, 87, 93, 100, 92, 92. The 83 resulted in a differential of 10.2 so the balance of the differentials are higher. His “C-Only” index is 11.8. Currently “Rob” is playing in our C Flight with guys sporting indexes of 11.0-15.0. It is just a matter of time before “Rob” gets his “ribbon.” In our efforts to weed out potential sandbaggers, we have promoted the also ran’s into contenders. I am not going to lose any sleep over this situation. After the season’s end, the Board can decide whether any changes are warranted. I somewhat like the idea of using the lower of the GHIN and “C-Only” indexes. If someone wants to have a low GHIN index, let him compete with it.
  31. I loaded it in 5 minutes when it changed over. Also, why is Fleetwood dressed like this?
  32. You two are the only ones who have responded that way since 2015, that's why I didn't include the others in my post. I was primarily agreeing with the post by @Cartgirl123 when she revived this old thread, explaining quite clearly why bringing your own beer was a bad idea, and using your posts to help make that clear. Lots of people do what you two do, feeling completely justified because beer form the bev cart is "so expensive", or because they already spend enough at the club. Yet you're keeping money away from the club, keeping money away from the bev cart operator, and exposing the golf club to significant risks. Sure, if its just one person its not significant. If its really 48%, as the poll suggests, that's a significant issue.
  33. I managed to hole out a 60* wedge from 83 yards for an eagle on the last hole yesterday. A nice finish to an otherwise unremarkable day.
  34. It's still pretty darn unlikely to go from shooting even par to shooting 100. I mean, he did say he still breaks 100, just "barely." But anyway… I'd be curious to know what the last 20 rounds or so have been, @humblepeasant. And the yardage and/or course rating/slope. Par is a man-made construct and is pretty subjective. The course rating is mostly objective.
  35. A second place low Gross (and a 2nd place low Net but Gross paid more) in the Livonia City Golf Championship. Two day total of 152. Sounds slightly impressive? Well, it was the "Super Senior" flight (65+) and we played the Ladi ... um ... Forward tees.
  36. Since it’s Winged Foot I may as well share my Phil Mickelson story with you all. I was there when he blew it on 18. Not only was I there but I was on my knees under the rope directly across from him as he lined up for his drive on 18. As he walked into the box I said, and I quote, “ come on Phil! Hit it down the middle and let’s go get that trophy!” Phil being Phil looked at me, nodded his head and smiled at me. When he hit his errant drive I could not see it because I was so low to the ground surrounded by a mob of people. I just started cheering immediately until I saw his reaction. My wife kneed me in the back because of how bad my timing was. The rest is history. I’ve had the pleasure of getting up close to Phil a number of times at Quail Hollow and Augusta since then and every time I do he seems to blow up. Out of respect to him I have stopped going near him whenever I’m at a tournament. I’m his Kryptonite. I’d love to meet him someday to ask if he remembers our encounter before taking the single shot that has haunted him for 15 years.
  37. I have this one. I like that I can easily move it around the garage if I need to rearrange things. It goes on sale for $30 off throughout the year. https://www.costco.com/saferacks-51"-golf-equipment-rack.product.100340626.html
  38. The best way to become a better putter is to have shorter putts.
  39. Confidence comes from knowing that you're actually aiming the putter where you think you've aimed it. You have 100 putters and yet you have no proven clue where they actually line up.
  40. That means he didn't pull out...
  41. If the rules allow them to play, they can play. If you want to change the rules so that they can't play, change the rules to require some sort of minimum participation or something.
  42. The same. Again, a guy who has 32 putts from an average first putt distance of 40' likely putted better than a guy who took 28 putts from an average first putt distance of 15'. You can use PGA Tour-level SG:Putting data to figure out how well you putted, especially if you're comparing one round of yours to another round of yours. And all you have to note is: the distance of your first putt and how many putts it took to complete the hole. Or use this: Strokes Gained Calculator Use this tool to calculate the strokes gained metric for any round of golf. Track your putting improvement.
  43. This is a fact! I played beer league softball for about 20 years. Anyone who's met me knows I am no athlete. I am much better suited to teach math than PE. Having said that, I cannot tell you the number of guys in that beer league who swear that they would have been playing professional baseball right now if it wasn't for a coach that screwed them over. Every team had a couple of these guys. Some teams were built entirely from these guys. We'd be eating nachos and drinking beer after a game or tournament and you'd hear the same story over and over again. It always went something like this "You know Alfonso Soriano?" ... "He and I played on the same team in high school. I was way better than him, but his dad was best friends with our coach. So, he got to play and I didn't. Then of course he did steroids and I refused to. That's why he played all those years for the Yankees. Otherwise, it would have been me." I swear to Buddy Christ I heard that story with different major leaguers in it a thousand times. Although, the Alfonso Soriano example is a real example. I played beer league softball with a dude who would swear up and down that Alfonso Soriano's dad stole his baseball career. Which should obviously be bullshit because I'm pretty sure Alfonso Soriano is from The Dominican Republic. By the way, it was also true in the city league basketball I played in. Which makes even less sense. If you take one look at these guys and then look at even the lowest level NBA player, the physical differences are obvious. But its always some relationship thing that ruined their career, or a coach who "didn't like me".
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