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  1. 6 points
    There are several things which take almost no talent to do correctly, and if you can do them, you can become a better golfer and stay a better golfer. These things should be touchstones of a sort, things you check on constantly, but again which take no (or at least not much) actual skill to achieve. These are things even beginners can do. These lists are off the top of my head. Tier 1: No Real Talent Grip the club properly - in the base of the fingers, with the right number of knuckles showing for your swing. Set up properly - weight over the right part of your feet, arms hanging almost vertically, ball position forward of center. Learn the ball flight laws. You only have to learn them once. Learn that bad shots happen, and don't require a change to what you're doing or attempting to do. Change your grips when they get worn, slick, hard. Get a video camera, alignment sticks, and a few other training aids. You don't have to spend a lot of money here. Use decent clubs. Your muscle back 2-iron is probably not helping you much. Wear sunscreen and sunglasses. Your skin and your eyes are important. Tier 2: Minimal Talent Grip the club firmly while remaining athletically "loose" with the rest of your body. Tension in the wrong places can be a killer. Loose muscles are fast muscles. Learn what "start line" and curve your ball has on any given shot. You'll be miles ahead of the game when it comes to solving problems with your swing for the rest of your life. Practice effectively. It doesn't matter if you practice for 10 minutes or 10 hours a week, if you can practice effectively, you'll squeeze as much out of that time as you can. Nobody practices perfectly, but 90% effective is better than 30% effective. Nobody hits perfect shots when practicing, either, but you can make changes when practicing properly. Learn the Shades of Grey and your Shot Zones. Play quickly. Play without fear - golf is just a game we play. Tier 3: Some Talent Learn to putt with a backswing and downswing that are about the same size. If your ball goes too short and you feel you have to make a huge stroke, just swing it faster, but keep the through and backswing lengths the same. Learn to hit a chip shot with some forward shaft lean and without throwing the trail wrist. I'm amazed at how few people can do this, even if they're just hitting a shot onto a range with no real target, solely trying to "do" this motion. Learn how to make partial swings, particularly with wedges. Learn how to have a "B" swing for days when things are not going well. Develop a ball flight — it's okay if it changes as you continue to improve — and apply the bullet point in the section above to play it. I allotted myself 15 minutes to write this post and come up with what I could come up with, and that's it. Please add your own in the comments below.
  2. It's very simple: You take the cosine of the decent angle of the club you intend to hit. Divide that by the Oblate Spheroid angle on the ball being struck, which is easily calculated by the coefficient of compression times the club head speed divided by the static loft or 0.8732 multiplied by the dynamic loft. You take that result and multiply it by the distance you would normally hit the club. Then add that to the original figure, subtracting 1/5th value of the wind speed squared, divided by the barometric pressure. Then you multiply the coefficient of the up current or 1/3 the coefficient of the down current depending on if you are right or left-handed. Your use the Pythagorean theorem to determine the overall length of the ball flight. Which is really just a simplified version of the longest leg of the right triangle. Of course that number needs to be adjusted to account for the arch involved in the flight. To factor that in all you need to do is calculate the circumference of the Earth at the exact point at which you are standing and divide the original distance times 2π times the tangent of the height of your left wrist from the ground and the shaft length of the club. We’ll ignore the actual sole thickness of the club because while it has a factor in the calculation for our purposes it won’t affect the ball flight enough for us to include it. Once you have that result you simply multiply the coefficient of slippage which can be looked up off any chart based on weather conditions and temperature. You determine the derivative of the angle of attack at address and then simply add in the number of calories you normally burn each day divided by what time of day it is and then put factor in to select your club. So, as you can see. It’s really very simple. When in double you can always just have Bryson DeChambeau calculate it for you.
  3. Goal was to finish top 20. Check! Junior Boys' & Girls' Championship Event Portal :: Tournament Results
  4. I golf because it is one of the few things I am physically cleared to do by my cardiology team. August 22nd, 2018 I had a stroke on duty. During the subsequent hospital stay, I was diagnosed with an incurable heart condition. A year later and following my retirement I began my journey in this sport. I golf for several reasons now - To get exercise - To spend quality time with 13 year old daughter, who undoubtedly will be busting my ass on the course by next year - To spend quality time with my mom who also just started playing this year - To help eliminate daily stress and serve as a release for my PTS - I enjoy the tranquility of the outdoors, the silence, the smells, the fresh air, the sheer beauty - Seeing progress in my game, albeit slower than I would like - The camaraderie with those I am playing with and meet new people with similar interests - To find the answer to the question in my head, "How can a game that is so maddening be so much fun?" Finally, I have used golf to rekindle friendships that I unfortunately let slip because of being focused too much on my profession. I have used the time together to express my sincere apology for allowing a stupid job to become more important than their friendship. Thankfully, it has been well received. Oh yeah, and I truly love the sport and have become quite addicted to it.
  5. Kids his age drink a case of beer, sleep two hours, hit a water park where they eat hot dogs and nachos, blow up fireworks in their hands, and cap the event off with a bottle of Tequila. BDC increased his caloric intake and hit the gym. He’ll be fine.
  6. Meh, most golfers are going to shoot the same scores regardless of what ball they use.
  7. Keep the longest iron you can hit well. Some tour players carry a 2-iron. Some start their irons at 5. I'm unaware of any offhand who start at 6, but I haven't followed bag contents closely for a while. It wouldn't surprise me to see a tour pro show up with a 5-hybrid some week. Back in the day, you might get laughed at for a 5-Wood -- and they laughed at Ray Floyd for carrying one for a few days, but putting on that green jacket where the 5W was instrumental in at least one shot shut them up quick. Nowadays, we recognize the number on the scorecard matters a lot more. A hybrid (rescue wood, utility metal) is a nice way to get the best of both worlds of a long iron and fairway wood. A 3-hybrid, ideally, replaces your 3-iron (as a general statement; not every 3-iron and every 3-hybrid are interchangeable). You can think of the 3H as comparable to a 7-wood if you want. It isn't a perfect comparison, but it's there. Should you ditch the 2-3-4-irons? I don't know, how well do you hit them? A friend of mine hits his 2-iron well enough to satisfy him and still carries it. I saw him hit a green with it a few days ago. Then again the newest club in his bag is ten years old. Another friend of mine carries hybrids for 3-4-5. I use a 3 and 4 hybrid but I like my 5-iron well enough. The new normal is that lofts changed a bit for reasons we can get into if you want, and there's another wedge between the PW and SW. That's the gap (or utility, or approach) wedge. Pick the combination of clubs that best suits you.
  8. Last week did some shot zone collection with Mario on Trackman. Continuing to work on the same pieces with some tweaks to the setup. My typical tendency, too much knee flex, torso bent too far forward. It's amazing how different these two pictures feel. Then had this round on Sunday.
  9. I recently asked @mvmac, who was familiar with what Dave and I taught, to give us a report card on what advanced players are learning from advanced coaches and how he felt we stood. Mike hasn't seen us teach much in the past four or five years, and we haven't put out a lot of videos (aside from these, of course) lately, either. So some of the things he thinks we teach date back five years or more. Before I get into the list… you're going to quickly see that most of the list is "for better players." I'll make a conscious decision a lot of the time to decide which of two slightly different directions to go. For example, some people here on TST were surprised by the "flow" talk we've had the past several months here on TST. I'll admit to getting people to "create space from the wall" by learning a very centered to even slightly forward-of-center hip pivot (heck, I still give this drill to students), but these are golfers > 6 handicappers (often > 10) who sway their hips back a lot. For them, going a little extreme to this side of things is a conscious choice by me to help their ballstriking. For better players, I talk about more "flow" stuff. I let the right hip look like it moves back an inch or so. The way I talk about a lot of things is a little different. I don't teach "one swing" but I do have one general system of what I think is right, but within that, I have preferences for different types of players. The player who is an 18 who wants to become a 10 and won't really spend a lot of time practicing gets something different than the motivated 6 handicapper trying to become scratch. That all said, the list, and my reactions to it. For Most Players… … I wouldn’t change much, little reverse K setup, err with a stronger grip, Bender/Geoff Jones style pivot with some feet flare, don’t be afraid to get speedy with the arms coming down. So, this is what I talked about up above. For most players — and for us sometimes that's 90% of the people we teach — the simple, very centered, slightly less dynamic pivot stuff he's saying is still pretty good. Again, not much time spent here, so let's move on to the finer details. My text will remain in black. For Better Players… … I don’t know if I would call these changes to what you do but how I would go about teaching better players. Changes in my view from several years ago. In no particular order: Foot Flare No more than 20 degrees of foot flare, even less on trail foot. I understand the reasoning for this, and I'll still add some foot flare to the trail foot for an older good player to help increase range of motion, but I think the gains here are so small that this starts to "matter" (still only a little) to scratch golfers or better. But, maybe there's something to learn here… Hips/Pelvis Pelvis more level or even slight LPT at 1 Avoid idea or image of hip slide I think I get a check mark here. I talk with even mid-level handicap players lately about "landing" on the front foot, which includes a little "flow" back toward the target with the upper body. Even higher handicappers, while I'm emphasizing "getting forward" (great players still get their weight AND pressure forward - the images in the "hip slide" topic aren't "wrong") the hips getting forward, I talk a lot about "sending energy" forward. Hands A1-A2 Little or no depth with the hands to 2 or even feeling forearm counter rotation in takeaway for players that bank the club inward. From DL, the "curve" of the "hula hoop" is basically negligible in the direction of "depth from A1-A2, so what appears to be "straight back. A2 depends on how quickly a player hinges the club, of course, but most good players have a pretty narrow range here. I probably allow a little more hand depth than Mike would like, but often I feel that's a matter of other things being a priority. I like to see the hands go slightly inward the first half of the backswing while the latter half becomes about more "ascent," but even then a lot of that "slightly" is after 1.75 or so. As a brief aside, I think my own swing is shaping up in this regard nicely. I'd get too shallow, too low, and my wrists would react poorly at the top given what I'd done to get there. I now feel like my hands go out away from me from A1-A2.5, but of course they don't actually. As for the counter-rotation, I'll have Mike clarify perhaps, as we've taught this to even poorer players. The feeling that the right hand stays "on top" a bit longer is very helpful in not swinging the clubhead well behind the player, and in keeping the face a bit "squarer" (or at least not flopping it open) longer. "Stretching" the Trail Side Stretching the trail side without elevating the rib cage I get what he's saying, and it's something I work on myself as well. I'll "stand up" a little too much during the backswing. The feel for me is from the top of the right thigh up across my pelvis and just above my belly button, but the rib cage as Mike says doesn't stretch up. S&T teaches you to feel the stretch further up, up the whole right side, and again for higher handicappers we'll let their hips turn (trail leg extends a good bit) and they'll feel the stretch all the way up, but for lower handicappers, we don't do that quite so much this way. Lead Side Unweighting Unweighting lead side early. That could lead to a trigger move or a slight pelvis bump or a little pressure “rock” to the trail side before the club/hands move back. But doesn’t has to. I teach this, and in looking at a few videos of some of Dave's better players, he does too. Mike's right that we didn't as much seven years ago, but the pressure data we were early at looking at led to small changes here. Trail Knee Extension Avoid a lot of trail knee extension from 1-3 Ha, addressed above, before I got to this point. We don't teach a lot of this here. Unlike George Gankas. 🙂 At any rate, for a lower handicapper who lacks some range of motion (an older good player), we might let them get away with more trail knee extension, and to be clear the trail knee still extends measurably. Elbows Close Avoid squeezing the arms together at 1 or in the backswing. Hate this one myself. I've been saying for years that squeezing the elbows together during the backswing is almost the surest way to have them come apart during the downswing. Banking the Trail Foot Avoid trying to bank the trail foot, allow heel to come off the ground by 6 Check. I know why Mike added this - a lot of poor players, and a lot of juniors, will shoot their trail knee toward the ball early in the downswing and the heel will come off the ground VERY early. But I looked back at the lessons of my good players, and the notes, and I've not mentioned the trail foot banking in at least several years. And though admittedly I don't have many Justin Thomas type players… I do let people get away with some more of the "knee action" described above with the driver than with irons. Like JT himself. Stopping at A4 Avoid stopping or rehearsing 4. Pending more information, I don't know that I'll agree here, and I might humbly suggest that because what Mike has been working on, he's seeing this as limiting "flow" and the general athletic movement. On that I'd agree, but sometimes stopping at A4 is a good way to check on something that happened from 2-4 or something. Or if I have someone who is across the line and who dumps it under from there, and they're working on not only getting more "laid off" (feeling only) so the club can pitch out a little (paging @saevel25), it can be useful, IMO, to isolate just that piece starting from the proper spot, so you know it's the proper spot. Also, I will do a lot of "pump drill" type things when teaching something dynamic that's transition or early downswing-related. Fast Backswing Fast backswing via body is good. I might be missing something here, too, as we've talked about speeding up the backswing for awhile now. It's even in LSW, and was "old" when we put it in there. Maybe the bit I'm missing is "via body" but I don't feel that way. Two Random Bits Have concepts for the downswing/impact but train the backswing. Understand that a lot that is occurring with the club/limbs/wrist angles is being heavily influenced by the torso/pelvis motion. These are a bit more philosophical, so, I can't really comment concretely here. We work on a lot of backswings, and since the arms are attached to the shoulders, of course a lot of what they do is governed by how their being "flung." And Mike won't deny that sometimes the downswing is what needs the work. I'll make edits as needed, or comment in posts further down the stream, but I'd like to thank Mike for taking the time to comment. I think we/I graded out pretty well, and if nothing else, I think maybe I'll do more to share and talk about some more advanced player "stuff" in the coming weeks, months, years.
  10. Do your usual set up....then right before you’d take your shot...stop. Set down a stick or a club, walk behind and see where your club face is pointing. There’s a good chance that if you’re aimed properly you’re taking the club out to in like a bunker shot and slightly closing your face prior to impact and pulling your shot left. This would work great in wet grass so you could see your brush mark and maybe see if you in fact changed your face from its original alignment.
  11. I've been fighting the driver big time lately and had my worst round of the year yesterday 75 (+3). Came out today and after a couple poor drives I finally found something and played really well. Shot 67 (-5). Bogeyed the last two holes though dang it! Just lost concentration.
  12. To me, the image of having my address position be very similar to my intended impact position is a good thing. So I try to set up with a pretty straight line from my left shoulder to the ball (in-line impact). This means that I will always have a bit of forward shaft lean at address unless the ball is positioned about even with my left shoulder, and I only do that with my driver.
  13. 1. Sport you can play your entire life 2. To be able to enjoy the outdoors and warm weather 3. One of the best social mechanisms in business (or anyone in the real world). 4. The only accepted reason (for me) to take 4+ hours away from the family to go out and play (and/or drink). 5. Sport can be played across generations (1v1 basketball vs. grandpa doesn't have quite the same touch). I wish the game wasn't so difficult and/or frustrating, but I bet that if it were easy enough that anyone could play with success, it would have a different place in society.
  14. PING - Blogs Pretty good article from Chris Broadie, the head of fitting science at Ping, showing the advantage of hitting the ball straighter. Outliers like Bubba Watson (he's mentioned in the article) aside, better players tend to curve the ball less. That makes sense. Straighter shots are more accurate and more predictable, so it would lead to better golf scores. Chris demonstrates the effect of large curves by using a tour pro's impact variability and simulating straight shots ( average of 0° face-to-path) vs a big draw (average of -6° face-to-path) So if the average tour player were to hit drives with large curves, he would lose 24 yards off the tee and gain 12% accuracy. People always like to have the distance vs accuracy debate, but I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that 12% accuracy is worth losing 2-3 clubs for on the second shot. He does point out that the accuracy can be advantageous. I suppose if you hit the ball 320 yards, you can afford to hit it 296 yards to get a better chance at hitting the fairway when you really need to. The 1.1 strokes per round is significant though. That's a lot of strokes the simulated tour player is giving up off the tee with the bigger curve. A more realistic scenario for a tour player looks like this: Here you can see the difference between the straight shot vs the curved shot is negligible. So a curve is not bad in and of itself, but too much curve and you're not getting the most out of your drives.
  15. I'm not sure I follow the logic. Why is tiredness/soreness an indicator of giving 100% effort at something? Both the gym and gardening are two completely different tasks and use different muscles than golf, so it makes perfect sense to me that they tax your body in different ways. ~30-40 full golf swings spread out over 4 hours is much less taxing on your body than 2 hours of constant shoveling, raking, and bending over pulling weeds. Why do you want to put more effort into each shot? Wouldn't it make more sense to try and get your swing to a point where you can put in as little effort as possible but still hit the ball out of the center of the clubface and a solid distance?
  16. In Vietnam we have 0 case out there in public for about 2 months, only some cases coming back from other countries and they are all quarantined. So everything is back to normal for more than 1 month.
  17. I think you've misunderstood the OP. @finitesoup is wondering why his handicap is so low, and the reason is because it's a 9-hole handicap calculation. This handicap calculator is bad. Or out of date. I combined your 9-hole rounds into 18-hole rounds and used it to calculate your index, which gave me 27.8... but that's because it's using the average of the lowest 8 differentials, which is incorrect. There are 10 18-hole differentials, which means your index is calculated based on the average of the lowest 3 differentials, which is 24.4.
  18. Substance is all anyone's been asking for — it's in the topic title now — and you come on here and say "I know y'all don't want to"? Answer this for me, please, @ellamia: do you realize that this says nothing? That there is absolutely no substance here? What are you talking about? Good golfers do not "release all components all at the same time". It sounds very early on like you're going to talk about "feels" rather than what's actually real, what good golfers actually do. Good luck with that. Facts are not going to support many of your findings if you go that route. This says nothing. When are you talking about "shifting your weight"? You're aware of the fact that good golfers shift their weight back and then forward during the downswing and backswing, right? What measurements have you had done on your swing so that we can talk about what's really happening versus what you think is happening, or feel? I can shift my weight without even moving the clubhead from behind the ball. Heck, just swinging your arms back halfway "causes you to shift your weight." So, again, what are you actually talking about? Talk about that, because if you want to talk about actual physics, several people here know plenty about that. We're good at math. So let's have something more than just the bullshit you've offered thus far. I've had students swing faster by becoming aware of the fact that they have to move their arms a bit faster. Why is 10 MPH your number? Do you know the peak hand speed of good players? Do you know when it occurs? (Mid- to low-20 MPH range, and surprisingly early - just as the hands pass below waist level, generally speaking). So, yeah, 10 MPH might be unreasonable, because few are going to go from 18 MPH to 28 MPH, but people can go from 18 to 21 or 22, and they can change when and how they generate that speed. Do you know this or are you guessing and/or going off feels? I think it's the latter. No, we won't, because like the above, I doubt you're doing much different than this: That's not how the golf swing works. The various body segments aren't held together by the equivalent of one person holding the hand of another person. Great for turning in a circle on skates. Doesn't apply to the golf swing like you seem to think it does. Does it now? BTW, that's a helluva flat looking backswing. You do know that gravity can help golfers hit it farther, too, right? Also, your hips are open to square in the image on the right-hand side. Oh, and I guarantee you have more weight on your right foot than your left above, and you definitely have more pressure there. Feel ain't real. … that say next to nothing. I like to "believe" in science. Facts. Reality. Wow, a whole bunch of bull there. Dude. To the bold, no, they didn't suddenly make a completely different swing. They just happened to time everything, and honestly, they probably still didn't make a great swing with Tour-level speed, impact alignments, etc. They just hit a great shot for them. A few things were lined up or timed up a bit better. That's all. And to the red… because golf is f***ing hard. And many people never take a lesson. You're a 4.0 index, Jarrod, and you're only that low because you have only 7 posted rounds, the last of which was posted 09/2019. But please, continue to tell us what PGA Tour players are doing wrong, or my scratch golfers, or collegiate golfers. Or my daughter, who would have to give you a few shots. So obviously and provably wrong. Feel ain't real, Jarrod. Look, @ellamia/Jarrod, as good as you were at gymnastics, you're in my world now. As much time as you spent training to do what you did, I've spent training to do what I do. Now, that could be a reason to stay "stuck in my ways," but I have a background in sciences, and a deep appreciation for being disruptive, for learning what actually occurs, reality, science… Your stuff here has none of that. It's just another scheme thought up by someone who thinks they've "solved" the golf swing. It's BS. Malarkey. You've offered no substance. Your own swing likely doesn't resemble what you propose, and you seem to be relying on what you feel you're doing along with some horrible analogies to try to "prove" your point. You had your shot. You blew it. You've got nothing. Here's a small celebration of things you do (or did) well.
  19. Grammar - The difference between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit.
  20. Bryson to cameraman: Don't damage my brand Bryson DeChambeau got into an exchange of words with a cameraman during Saturday's third round of the... Bryson throws a tantrum after hitting a poor shot and lashes out at the bunker, then the cameraman for following hunt afterwards. This is why @colin007 doesn’t like you, Bryson.
  21. Makes perfect sense to me. I suspect that you are looking at this from the standpoint of annoyance. Try it from a business angle. A golf course has to make money, which makes it a business much like a convenience store that won't let you in without a shirt or a luxury restaurant that demands a tie - and not like a public park where you might play baseball. As such they really do get to decide how the patrons dress. Dance clubs, social clubs, golf clubs. Pretty much all clubs do this because it projects what they want the club to be viewed as. Like it or not, when you are a customer, you are subject to customs.
  22. I fed the mosquitoes today. I didn't want to get bored just standing there, so I decided to hit some golf balls. These are all the pieces together. Honestly I kind of stopped thinking about the left shoulder/hip back piece, and I haven't worked on it in a while. I think that was the easiest piece to incorporate. Still doing the laid off shaft move via transition. Doing that simultaneously with the right knee bend move. Invoking my inner Justin Thomas. Need to make sure I don't feel the arms lift in my backswing because they lift enough on their own. When I feel them lift, the hands get too high, and when the hands get too high, they sometimes don't come down enough and I top the shit out of the ball. I think these swings are good. Need to keep the little details in check. Right now it's small stuff that's making a big difference in how I strike the ball. Don't lift the arms. Knee bend instead of squatting. Looks like the club is tipping out a little bit. Explains why I'm hitting cuts. If I keep the hips moving the hands won't roll over and I won't hit hooks. I'm perfectly happy with that.
  23. So this was actually a week ago but wanted to show my first time shooting par for 9 holes! It took a 50 yard pitch in for eagle and a quality birdie on 9 to do it but I was pretty ecstatic. I wasn't terrible on the back outside of about a 15-20 minute stretch on holes 13-14 where I forgot how to play golf for some reason and that stopped me from breaking 80 for the first time but not a bad day especially on these parking lots they're trying to pass off as greens out here lol.
  24. Went back to where I grew up today to play the 1st course I ever played. Was going into my freshman year of high school in summer of ‘93 the first time I saw the course and promptly barely broke 70 that day... for 9 holes. Fast forward to today and met up with an old high school friend who is a member. He had a pass to get me $24 off the round which would have normally been $34 for green fees and cart so I was already winning before I even hit my 1st drive. Course opens with what I find to be the toughest hole on the course. 420 yard par 4. Ripped a driver down right side of fairway and have a 9 iron in which is certainly the shortest approach I’ve ever had there. I pushed the approach tho and after a decent chip I narrowly missed the par putt and opened with a bogey. Pars at 2-6 made the day look better tho. Horrible SW to a back pin at 7 I flew over the green cost me another bogey tho but bounced back at par 3 8th by sticking an 8 iron to 5 feet and rolled in the bird to get back to +1. Par at 9 gave me the lowest 9 hole total of +1 36 that I’ve ever posted on the course. Back side wasn’t so great. Had to hit a stinger for my 2nd at 10 to stay under the trees left. Ran through the green and missed the par save. Par at 11 and 12 were lost opportunities. Drive left at par 5 11th left me behind a series of trees and although I only needed a 7 iron to reach in 2 I had to play right of the green and chip on. Drove the green at 12 and 3 jacked it for par. Lost opportunity. Still only +2 at that moment tho so freaking good. 13 my 9 iron off the tee left me short sided in a bunker and couldn’t make the save. Now I’m 3 over. Drive left at 14 and behind trees so no chance yo go for green in 2. Made par. 15 left my birdie putt so short I was fortunate to make the par. 16-18 were all bogeys.Great drive at 16 and wasted it by missing green with a gap wedge. 17 I didn’t use enough club off the tee. Flushed a 5 iron and came up a club short. 18 hit a bomb off the tee and missed green with a gap wedge. End of the day a 77 is normally not something to complain about but I left several shots out there. Feel like I should have shot 72-73 today.
  25. I have taken some time to write this post. I am trying not to use my usual style and am trying to make it more general and readable and understandable. As many know George Gankas has risen from mediocrity to achieve sudden fame, booking his $500/hour lessons out to June - though probably not anymore with COVID-19 and California - because Matt Wolff rose to fame and because his Instagram account shows a bunch of already very good players hitting the ball hard. Now of course George has actually been teaching for 25 years and is probably almost the same guy he is now as he was five years ago when he was unknown by most but that is just how golf is. I am not jealous of George - He is not taking students from me. I do not dislike George either - Though his surfer boy 'EMBH' attitude does rub me the wrong way, he cares about good information and is passionate about making golfers better, so he is okay in my book from that POV. But I do have some very real issues with his swing philosophy and I will attempt to talk about them here to start a discussion. My list of complaints - and I will go into more detail later on - is: Does not tuck his shirt in. Wears socks with sandals. EMBH. I am just kidding - but now seriously. First bear in mind this is from having seen much of Instagram, hearing from things, videos and speaking engagements, podcast interviews, etc. I have watched a LOT of GG content, directly from GG himself, I have not spent weeks watching him teach and some of this might be older or he might not do it as much as he says. A little like Stack-n-Tilt where something that has some value is WAAAY overdone to the point it can become an obstacle. A little goes a long way, and a lot is too much. None of what we are apparently calling 'flow' now with several manual movements in an effort to make it 'reactive' or something. Overdoes rounding of lumbar spine at setup. Trail knee extends too much too soon and hips over rotate on the backswing. You can see some guys with straight trail leg by P2. Hands get too deep too soon. Can cause two big problems (let me see if I can do this right): Hinders too much left bend. Notice some guys move the head down and forward on takeaway. Limits mobility with the arms and torso. Arms do not have any room towards the top so arms have to lift and shift outward. IMO b/c of the last couple notes, Gankas has been advising to add in more manual spine extension to finish the backswing. So you have a manual move on top of a manual move to compensate for each other. This extension on the backswing also gets pressure too far forward too soon, players get a 'loaded left' look at P2.5 to P3. If the pressure and mass does not load right it can not 'fall' forward in transition. Body shift and rotation sequence is backwards: George likes upper/lower body to stay back P4 to P6, then open up big time early and then moves lower center forward from P6 to P7 as the hip thrusts forward and up. Elite players tend to do the opposite, upper body is 'closed' in relation to lower body in transition as body shifts forward in order to spike pressure at P5. Most players are mostly done going forward with the body by P5.5 because they are going more up and around. Wants dual external rotation of hips in downswing. Does not happen even though his early Instagram was littered with players practicing this in some sort of hyper-perverted Sam Snead Squat thing. From P3.75 to P4.25, trail hip in good players moves from more internal to less internal (which is movement in the external direction-Yes) but then goes internal to neutral from there. The front hip goes internal on downswing. You can even see some Tour pros plant the front heel more forward than where it was at setup. If it actually went external in the lead hip the golfer would just spin out and have nothing to plant and push against. If you went external there you could not properly engage the muscles up the left side. Trail elbow does not actually go external with many pros at all. Most pros the elbow slightly trails trails the rear hip on the downswing and pros tend to have some trail shoulder retraction early in the transition. By P4.5 pros will not have the forearm 'in front' or more vertical than the torso tilt. George says the arms shifting out shallows the shaft. While it can it can also make the shaft get steeper or do anything else too. You can overcome the pretty weak force that shifting the hands out shallows the shaft very easily. I see people shift the arms out and steepen EVERY damn day on my lesson tee. Plus with GEARS or 3D we know the butt of the club early transition tends to move more vertically down and then moves out. It follows the movement of the body/torso: it lowers 'closed' and then starts opening up. If you have to shift arms out and go ER, how is Rory one of the most shallow players and Noren one of the steepest? Dislike manually feeling more rotation on the downswing by rotating faster and more. I do not have a problem with this in general - Dustin Johnson has to do this, but he is also a freak in a good way. But do not teach it to everyone. Not all great players are super open at impact and those who are, mostly a result of what came before. Look at Matt Wolff, who does the opposite of many of these things (https://www.instagram.com/p/B73nK0iA2xz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2keCNyqEhQ😞 Hands track straight back on takeaway to mid backswing. Do not gain super depth. Trail hip does not over-rotate. Gets his right hip high and internally rotates into the hip. Unweights the lead foot instead of staying centered or left. Dual internal rotation of the hips. Here are some stills. Hands don't get overly deep: No real external rotation or outward shifting hands here: Internal rotated hips, left heel planted forward of where it was at setup: Some of these photos are https://www.instagram.com/p/BbVfT7NgkH5 and https://www.instagram.com/p/B1peRirlSqM and https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz6xE86FzGs. They will not embed because his account is private right now. 1. A little like Stack-n-Tilt where something that has some value is WAAAY overdone to the point it can become an obstacle. A little goes a long way, and a lot is too much. I do not have to say too much more about this and I do not have pictures to show it, but an example might be the Sam Snead Squat thing. It is overdone. Other things he does are a good thing that is taken past where it is good and beyond. 2. None of what we are apparently calling 'flow' now with several manual movements in an effort to make it 'reactive' or something. Countless examples of this. Look at the Matt Wolfe video FO up above. Compare to say Rory or Justin Thomas videos. See the first set of three images below too. 3. Overdoes rounding of lumbar spine at setup. Look for the hips to be a bit too level and the butt tucked under a bit too much. Not saying you want to have a flat back here and some of the more recent videos and Instagram posts look better. 4. Trail knee extends too much too soon and hips over rotate on the backswing. You can see some guys with straight trail leg by P2. Can find a ton of those on his Instagram. https://www.instagram.com/p/B_nKvxGjRPymAtMS8EM0ZnRFPt9RRNIMtMPG-E0/ for example. 5. Hands get too deep too soon. Can cause two big problems (let me see if I can do this right): 6. IMO b/c of the last couple notes, Gankas has been advising to add in more manual spine extension to finish the backswing. So you have a manual move on top of a manual move to compensate for each other. https://www.instagram.com/p/B_jRb3QjHPm10S7SxFLnr3BHVfQ8FKlN38ElGw0/ 7. This extension on the backswing also gets pressure too far forward too soon, players get a 'loaded left' look at P2.5 to P3. If the pressure and mass does not load right it can not 'fall' forward in transition. Too many to post. You will see a lot of GG students staying very centered then falling back during the downswing and then finishing forward late. This is similar to 2 but I thought it deserved its own post. Might be the same thing though. 8. Body shift and rotation sequence is backwards: George likes upper/lower body to stay back P4 to P6, then open up big time early and then moves lower center forward from P6 to P7 as the hip thrusts forward and up. Elite players tend to do the opposite, upper body is 'closed' in relation to lower body in transition as body shifts forward in order to spike pressure at P5. Most players are mostly done going forward with the body by P5.5 because they are going more up and around. Also similar to 2 and 7. Just more detail. You can condense these a bit if you want, but really, 8 is a bit different too because it is not about pressure but about the rotation and the translation and when those are 'primary' in the golf swing. 9. Wants dual external rotation of hips in downswing. Does not happen even though his early Instagram was littered with players practicing this in some sort of hyper-perverted Sam Snead Squat thing. From P3.75 to P4.25, trail hip in good players moves from more internal to less internal (which is movement in the external direction-Yes) but then goes internal to neutral from there. The front hip goes internal on downswing. You can even see some Tour pros plant the front heel more forward than where it was at setup. If it actually went external in the lead hip the golfer would just spin out and have nothing to plant and push against. If you went external there you could not properly engage the muscles up the left side. So many buckets between the knees especially in early Instagram posts. 10. Trail elbow does not actually go external with many pros at all. Most pros the elbow slightly trails trails the rear hip on the downswing and pros tend to have some trail shoulder retraction early in the transition. By P4.5 pros will not have the forearm 'in front' or more vertical than the torso tilt. 11. George says the arms shifting out shallows the shaft. While it can it can also make the shaft get steeper or do anything else too. You can overcome the pretty weak force that shifting the hands out shallows the shaft very easily. I see people shift the arms out and steepen EVERY damn day on my lesson tee. Plus with GEARS or 3D we know the butt of the club early transition tends to move more vertically down and then moves out. It follows the movement of the body/torso: it lowers 'closed' and then starts opening up. If you have to shift arms out and go ER, how is Rory one of the most shallow players and Noren one of the steepest? Note the handle actually goes behind him more and close to vertical then and yet Matt shallows the club. 12. Dislike manually feeling more rotation on the downswing by rotating faster and more. I do not have a problem with this in general - Dustin Johnson has to do this, but he is also a freak in a good way. But do not teach it to everyone. Not all great players are super open at impact and those who are, mostly a result of what came before. Look at other player videos on YouTube. Good things about George: Setup: armpits over the top of the knee over the balls of the feet. Does not set up like old Adam Scott with straight back. Generally better to be neutral or internal with trail elbow on backswing than external. Eat the ball cue in transition. Thank you to certain people behind the scenes in a PM for encouraging me to post this. And to take the time to make it good. I am posting this to have a discussion. I like a lot of what George teaches, but I do take issue with the things I listed up above.
  26. I don't think we go anywhere with the debate. It's ONE (very unique) guy doing something that I would wager the rest of the PGA Tour have absolutely ZERO interest in doing/maintaining. Who else is going to work as hard as Bryson has in the gym? Who else is going to force feed themselves 6-8 times a day to hit the high caloric intake needed to maintain the amount of mass he's put on? Who else has the IQ to even do what he's doing? I'm just not buying into this whole "BrYsOn iS cHaNgInG" how golf will be played thing. I'm in the camp of thinking that Bryson will go down in golf history as being a very unique and determined individual who played the game how he wanted. I also think the debate of modified equipment is dumb. What are they going to do, make a golf ball for all the 280-300 guys to still let them hit that distance and then make a different golf ball for increments of 10/20 yards for the rest so that they are tuned back down to 280-300? Then make "SuPeR" special balls for guys like Rory, Champ, Wolff, etc? Then on top of that are they going to make a "SuPeR dUpEr" special ball for the Kraken Slaying God of a Man himself AKA BRYSON "THE HOUSE" DeCHAMBEAU??? Give me a break...
  27. Silicone, boys. It’s not just for bathrooms and bimbos anymore.
  28. As a dapper gentleman I had the pleasure of playing a round with once told me, "You don't seem like you have enough sense to quit."
  29. I have Parkinson's in my right hand that was brought on by Agent Orange in Vietnam. Diet and exercise will almost completely remove my tremor. (I also take medications) That is mainly why I golf. I also just enjoy the game. Retired Old Man
  30. Why I play golf, wow what a happy thought. It is a connection to my past, the good times with my Dad on a course. I can still remember 50 years ago this summer and the very first time i played. My Dad gave me a Junior Club 7 iron & Putter and off we went together. I still have both of those clubs. The joy of hitting a spectacular shot from an incredible lob wedge out of the rough last round to just hammering a Drive. To see those shots and look at a PGA player on TV and say - I can do that, while not as consistent but still to see it done and do it. I want no part of tackling Derrick Henry but i could play golf with Rory McIlroy, if he let me. The uniqueness of the architecture of each and every golf course all over the world. Are there really any two courses the same? To see how the Local 9 was laid out to some of the most exclusive Country Clubs in the country (yes i have been lucky to know some people). I find this so cool. To step up on the 1st Tee and meet someone for the first time and know already have in common - Golf and from there you build a new friendship. Golf is literally the coolest sport there is, you can hit one completely laterally and bomb the crap out of a Drive and still see the Pros do the same thing and laugh at yourself and them as well. So why i play the game - it fills me with Happy Thoughts
  31. My oldest, 12 years old, has shown interest in golf and by doing so has gotten me back into the game from a 6-7 year absence. We've hit the range a few times and I think he's in a good enough place to go out and play 9 holes. Tomorrow we're going to head out to do just that. To this point, I've mostly kept him to a 7-8 iron. He's hit the driver a few times, mostly for giggles as this is for fun after all. My thought process was to try and simplify the game as much as possible for him. Focus on fun, 1-2 clubs, half swings, etc, just to give him a better chance at having a good time. That got me to thinking, is that the right approach? I'm sure many of you have been right where I am right now. I'm curious, how did you handle it and what were the results? Would you do anything differently? Frankly, I just want him to have fun and not be overwhelmed. That's the goal.
  32. I wasn’t sure how but the first few times I tried golf, I kept hitting the balls behind me. I did not give up because my father-in-law (played his whole life and was once a scratch golfer) commented that I was hopeless🙄 So I wanted to prove him wrong...and I did. I enjoy playing now because of the solitude. Also because it is an individual sport that I am only responsible for my own game.
  33. I’m told that I was dropped on my head at a very young age...
  34. I know nothing about the mat. Sorry. What I do know is that the mat will take the contour of your lawn and if you don't have your lawn rolled flat you'll find that the mat won't be flat either. My lawn looks very nice and I get compliments from my neighbors but I've tried to put my mat on the lawn and it's like a bounce house
  35. Okay, that's my fault for asking the question so poorly. It sounds to me like your goal is to improve your ball striking (a very good goal! Mine too!), and you're viewing taking a divot as the means to improve. I think a better bet for you is to improve your ball striking, which may result in more divots (it did for me). But, given the choice between "improved ball striking, but no divots" and "divots, but the same quality ball striking overall" you'd pick the former. Is this accurate? If so, I have two suggestions. First, check out the instructional content page if you haven't already: Unfortunately, those links aren't organized at the moment by topic (putting, ball striking, etc), but items 2 and 3 from the top and the third from the bottom are good places to start. Second suggestion: read about the "Member swings" area and post your own. Read the directions carefully, because the way you set up your video will affect the quality of advice you get. But if you set it up well, you'll get great advice, including from some professionals who frequent the site. https://thesandtrap.com/forums/forum/13-member-swings/
  36. Learning is a flight of imagination. Imagine a flight of stairs. Each step has both a height and a run. We cannot know either...except in retrospect. If the step is deep enough...we get bored. Why is this taking so long? Well it takes however long it does...doesn't it?
  37. The better a player gets, the more important it is to accurately describe the ball flight in two ways (I'm leaving vertical launch from this discussion for now for reasons that will become somewhat obvious, I hope): Start line Curve This matches up with what we've always said about the "ball flight laws": "The ball starts generally where the face is pointing at impact and curves away from the path." I bolded two words there, because when it comes to what the clubhead is doing, we care about those two things with regards to ball flight: Face Path These, naturally, line up: the "start line" is governed primarily by the face and the curve by the path (relative to the face, of course). (I'm leaving off-center hits out of the discussion.) One of the more frustrating things as an instructor is when a student texts you to say "I keep missing to the left," you give them some advice based on their answers to a few questions, and then you see them and realize their answers didn't match with reality at all. For example, I'll ask about the shape of their shots, and the possible answers for a left miss include: starts right, curves left starts straight, curves left starts left, curves left starts left, straight starts left, curves right Each of those can result in a ball that misses left to varying degrees. If a ball starts straight at the target and curves 10 yards left of the target, the fix might be as simple as gripping the club a bit more open, allowing the ball to start to the right a bit more and curve a bit less. But if the ball starts ten yards right and misses left 30 yards, then that's not a problem solved by opening the face up a bit more! Each of those descriptions includes the two key pieces of info: the start line and the curve. Get these wrong, especially the start line — and the fix can be very different than what you need. The start line is the ball's initial direction. On a launch monitor like a FlightScope X3 or Mevo+, it's called "horizontal launch angle." Positive numbers are to the right, negative to the left. I don't need to know what the horizontal launch angle is to the tenth of a degree, but for a ball that finishes in the left rough there's a big difference between the type of swing you made if it starts at the left edge of the fairway or the right edge. Pay attention to your start lines. Have a buddy stand behind you on the range and tell him what you think the start line was, and then have him confirm it. Put sticks ten yards out in front of your mat at the range and learn what a right, left, and straight start line look like. Yeah, there's a little parallax there since the ball is to the side of us, but learn to see what the ball is doing. You — and your instructor — will be better for it.
  38. Really appreciate the thoughts everyone. We had a great time today. My son had an absolute blast. He's hooked. He wanted to head straight to the range after our 9 holes. 😄 He teed it up on every hole and hit a 6i or lower. He never teed up shots after the tee shot, but I kept that in my back pocket in case he really started to struggle. The course is short, about 2,200 yards from the tees we played today. The course was loaded as it's basically the cheapest option in town. It gave me the opportunity to explain etiquette along the way. While it's been years since I've played regularly, there was a time not that long ago I played to a 15. I was shocked to find my son legitimately beat me on hole #3 today. He had a double, while I posted a triple. He had a lot of shots you'd expect from someone that had never stepped onto a course before. He also had a number of shots that just looked awesome. Really glad he enjoyed it so much. @Sean_D I've been hearing about that program. Since he's been so eager to get into golf and I'm happy to start playing again, I've been looking for a consistent place for us to play, find some junior camps for him, etc. Operation 36 has come up every place I've looked. It definitely looks like the right way to start teaching the game.
  39. Excellent. My point is I’ve spent a minimum of 400 hours studying, treating, testing, conference calls with the CDC, local health departments, infectious disease doctors, positive Covid patients both asymptomatic and symptomatic ( vast, vast majority asymptomatic) and CME Covid updates. You did a Google search.
  40. Range session today. Worked on shortening the backswing and gaining more extension. Initial Swing Final Swings The swing feel is making a smaller turn and feeling the hands and club stop just to the right of my head. I'm trying to work on getting an extension feel to work. I mess around with straightening the left leg sooner and also feeling like my belt buckle points to the sky sooner. The shorter swing really helps with overall contact and control.
  41. All putts break towards water or away from mountains. Putts break downhill, period.
  42. I always prefer playing through on par 3’s, and never on a par 5 or driveable par 4. I think the following works best: Group A hits tee shots to green. When Group B gets to the tee, let them hit tee shots. Both groups go to green, where Group B finishes and heads to the next tee, while Group A finishes.
  43. I am finished! Finally birdied the par 3 16th hole at my course. FWIW I have also eagled all the Par 5s this year as well.
  44. "He's a tool", really isn't a reason.
  45. Haven't had the chance to hit any balls since I played over the weekend, though I still practiced stuff without a club. Today I was pretty tired after work but I made myself get outside since I had the opportunity. I'm uploading these videos in full speed because I'm deliberately slowing down the backswing and wanted to see the difference in real time. It's probably a hair on the slow side but that's fine for practice. I'm sure I'll speed up a bit when playing. Backswing is better slower. I'm moving the clubhead the right way: hitting A2 with my hands below my belt, club vertical when shoulders reach 90°, and not getting across the line at A4 and reaching the laid off feel through movement of the club instead of manipulation at the top. Once I get there I just fire hard and it feels like the energy is being transferred to the ball better instead of wasting some of it trying to counter the momentum of my faster backswing. I altered the downswing feel a bit, too. Was trying to find the right balance between not extending soon enough and extending too soon. This one looks good. I do the knee flexing thing until my knees are parallel to the target line and then extend hard. The whole thing as one continuous movement kind of feels like I'm returning to my address position from A4, only more compressed, like I'm about to do a vertical jump.
  46. I was trying to read through this thread, but got a little lost between the fat shaming and the grammar police. I think the real topic here, is that like bryson and his over-analyzation of everything or not, you can't really knock it if it works. All Bryson did was identify the area of the game where he could separate himself from the field and absolutely attack it. Gaining 7.4 strokes on the field off the tee over the weekend is absolutely ridiculous. now, is he going to be that long and continue to have above average accuracy? that remains to be seen. But, if he does, you're looking at a guy thats going to be camped out around the top of leaderboards for many tournaments to come. he actually didn't putt pooly. gained more than a stroke on the field over the weekend. It was actually around the green where he lost the tournament, where he was 61st out of 67 players.
  47. He put on 40lbs, not 40lbs of muscle. Am I the only person here that watches the long drive competitions? Those guys aren't small.
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