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  1. For (essentially) any golfer, the 72.0/125 course would be harder. The first number (68.1 vs. 72) is the difficulty for a scratch golfer; higher numbers are more difficult. The slope is a representation of how quickly the course gets more difficult for less-skilled golfers. A 113 slope is "standard", and means that a bogey golfer is expected to take 18 more strokes than a scratch golfer.
  2. The gradual and long term change of increasing the speed of greens can leave some courses greens a bit ridiculous to the average golfer. Torrey Pines North is an example. Of course they want the greens fast there but the greens where designed for much slower speeds. There were holes, like 2, 3 and 9 for example, you couldn't stop the ball within 8 feet if you miss a three footer from above the hole. On 2 sometimes you couldn't even get that type of putt to stop on the green at all. They're now spending millions to redo the greens. They use to have front to back general slope up to a 4% grade. Remodeled the highest general slope of any greens will be 1.5%. I think the old greens would have been fine if they didn't run the greens so fast.
  3. Did I hit putts on the greens during the tournament days (Thu-Sun)? Yes. Multiple. On multiple greens. They were fine.
  4. Ok, so originally I was planning on just skipping working on my swing today. Then I realized, how can I expect to make any real improvement if I just skip days. That's the old habit that I'm trying to break. I went to the range with specific purpose tonight. I wanted to focus on the centered pivot/wall drill and try to shorten my backswing by starting with slow swings to set the feeling of where it should be. I have to admit, I'm pretty happy with how things worked out on this range session. I recorded probably 15 swings and they almost all looked exactly like this. When the swing got longer it still stayed short of parallel to the ground and my left hip stayed almost exactly where it started until it bumped forward at the start of the downswing. I wasn't sure how the video was going to turn out because I forgot my phone at home so I couldn't really see the camera angle, which is also why there's no DTL shots.
  5. That is a much bigger *******. The one at Oakland Hills is very small. If you're in it, you will likely be standing outside with a funky stance to hit your ball, or you will have to play your shot away from the green to get out safely.
  6. You are losing tilt at the top just FYI. Just from your still photo you are firing your lower body way too early. Going through this same issue myself. If you posed yourself as the still picture, your hips are in a finish position and your arms aren't even close to impact. So your only option is to flip at it or rake everything off to the left, or both. The only thing worse -- results and body wise-- than flipping at it is crashing into the ground which is where your 6 inches fat shots come from If you put yourself just standing at the ball like in the picture that you have, you have absolutely no room left for your arms. You need to feel like you are starting your arms way, way sooner. After having 'lead with the lower body' drilled into my skull for forever, I'm now trying to fix the ramifications of way overdoing that move for way too long.
  7. This one. It's a little deeper than the G6 is long so you kind of have to push it up from the bottom to get it out, but other than that I'm pretty happy with it.
  8. You know, I had a long post typed out to defend my position. But, you're right. I do think a double bogey free round is more difficult. If you break 80 most of the time, a double-bogey probably hits your score card more than a score in the 80's.
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    It has been a while since I've looked at my Game Golf stats. Here is a run down. Strokes Gained versus Scratch (Future Goal) and versus 5-handicap (current) The major area of concern is my Short Game and Putting. I will say the downfall of Game Golf's strokes gained is that it doesn't take into account if you are behind a tree or in a difficult approach shot situation. I would suspect the "Off The Tee" stat is a tad higher, and the Approach is a tad lower. I had a situation the other evening where I hit a drive that put me on an uphill lie, about 25 yards behind a beat up pine tree, about 145 yards from the green. I proceeded to destroy a lower tree limb and my ball went only about 30 yards forward of the tree and to the right. I believe Game Golf puts that as strokes lost on the approach shot not the tee shot. The change might be a small number depending on how often you end up in a bad spot. Approach Shot Charts Game Golf's "Approach the Green" insight page shows percentage of shots that end up with in 15 yards of the pin. I kinda wish they allowed you to change that 15 yard number. Then I could get my average leave from the pin based on yardage from the pin. I took my stats from Game Golf and plugged them into excel. The 125-175 being above 60% pretty solid. The drop off from 125-150 to 100-125 is concerning. 70% of the time from 50-75 yards is probably not that good. I need to really work on my feel with my wedge shots at all distances. As shown below I do not miss that 15 yard circle on the short side often. As the yardages get closer to the pin the more often I miss the shot long. I find that I rarely miss a shot towards the left side of the green. I find that the longer the club the more rightward I will end up. Maybe the lie angles are off for me? Though i just had those checked a few months ago. I wonder if it's related to over-swinging as well. I do need to start adjusting my aim now on my irons. It could be I am expecting more draw based results when I am hitting more fades now as well. It might be time to look at my shot zones as well. Even with missing the ball more rightward then leftward I still get the ball with in 15 yards over 60% of the time from 125-175 yards. Shots with in 75 yards are compared at a 5 yard circle from the pin. From 25-50 yards I only get the ball with in 5 yards 33% of the time. From 0-25 yards I get the ball inside 5 yards 93% of the time. Clearly my short game is a struggle. Conclusion 1. I need to work on my distance control with the shorter irons and wedges. The miss right and miss left are not high compared to the miss long. 2. I need to adjust my shot zones for my mid and long irons. Driver Stats Here are my driving stats. 32% fairway is not a good number, but on most courses it's serviceable with how far I hit the ball. Rough has never been a big problem for me. I equally miss the ball left and right. Its' pretty much equal probability the ball will go left, fairway, or right. I really would like to take one side of the course out of play. I would really like to get near 50% FIR sometime. I would like to change from the 33% across the board to something like 10% Left, 50% Fairway, 40% right. With right not being off the course right. I hope this helped those who have Game Golf in a way they can look into trends of their own game. Hopefully others will look at Game Golf in the future as a tool that could hep their game.
  10. So ask yourself. What is it that's keeping you from breaking 80? By your own words, you make a lot of pars, but penalties and the resulting doubles (or worse) keep you from that threshold. Chicken or the egg...and this time it's the egg. Breaking 80 is hard, but it's hard due in large part because of the difficulty in keeping those damn doubles off the card.
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  12. If I were an 80s shooter trying to get better I'd probably say breaking 80, but now as someone who shoots in the 70s, I've made way more doubles than I've failed to break 80 over the last few years.
  13. Yeah, so I officially switched my vote to "no doubles." :)
  14. You can break 80 with a double bogey, but one penalty at the wrong time can introduce a double bogey so I voted a double bogey round is harder.
  15. 1 point
    A few weeks ago, I was lucky enough to have my wife tell me to go ahead and book a trip to Kiawah Island to play in a Golfweek Amateur Tour event there. Her only stipulation was that I needed to rend a 2 bedroom villa on the resort so her and the kids could come with me and enjoy some time at the beach. Sold!!! I booked the trip only 9 days before the tournament, so I spent the next 9 days doing nothing but thinking about it all. I did my homework on the courses we were going to be playing (Osprey Point and The Ocean Course). I played countless rounds on The Ocean Course via the WGT Golf app on my phone. I cleaned my clubs... then cleaned them again. I cleaned out my bag and made sure it was organized. I sent numerous text messages to my golf buddies who would also be attending. I set aside the shirts I'd be wearing for that weekend and made sure they were clean and wrinkle free. I cleaned off my spikes and marked my golf balls... and then I still had 8 days to wait. The anticipation was excruciating yet exhilarating. I bored my wife to tears with details about the courses that she couldn't have cared less about. I went to sleep each night thinking about the shots I wanted to play and the holes I was most looking forward to. I dreamed of birdies and had nightmares about triple bogeys. When Friday finally rolled around, I tried to sleep a little later. I was off that day, but my wife had to work until 2pm. I woke up and made sure everything was packed... and then I watched the clock. It seemed to take forever. Finally, I got the text message from my wife that she was leaving work. I told the kids to get ready. I made sure they had used the bathroom, had on their sandals and then I told them to sit on the steps by the front door waiting. When my wife walked in, we were already walking out! Friday night at the resort was beautiful. We headed over to the Sanctuary Hotel for a buffet dinner at the Loggerhead Grill. Afterwards, we walked on the beach for a bit and then when my golf buddies started to arrive, we left and met one of them for drinks. We killed time talking about how excited we were and then, realized it was getting late and we had an early start. I know I don't need to tell you golfers this, but... trying to sleep that night was more difficult than trying to sleep as a kid on Christmas Eve. Even after taking some Aleve PM pills to try and help with getting to sleep, it was a restless night. I had set my alarm for 6:15 the following morning, but I was up by 5:15. I got ready, ate breakfast and then waited to be picked up. When we arrived at Osprey Point, it was beautiful. We walked past the practice green towards the range and I had commented on how perfect the practice green looked. It was nicer than any green on any course I had played before. The range was pristine. The clubhouse was the type of clubhouse I had always dreamed of seeing with a huge patio on the back overlooking the 10th hole and the practice range. There were gators of varying sizes in the pond beneath the patio. I loved every bit of what I was seeing. When we started at 9am... I had aspirations of playing well enough to be in contention. We played 6 holes prior to play being halted by some pretty nasty lightning and heavy rain. Through those 6 holes, I was already +8... and that included a birdie. We sat around in the clubhouse for 2.5 hours waiting for the weather to clear. We enjoyed some really good lunch at the Cherrywood BBQ & Ale House at the course while we waited, and eventually... it was time to head back out. The sun came back out and was burning off the rain, which made it extra humid. Again, we got about 6 holes played before we were called off the course for more dangerous weather. I had managed to play those 6 holes in another +8... so I was sitting at +16 while the leader, at that point, was hovering around +4. I knew I was going to have to do something crazy-special to have any shot. I figured I wanted to be somewhere around 7 shots from the lead heading into the final round if I was going to make a comeback. During this delay, which lasted another 2 hours, there was a lot of talk about the round ending and having to finish where we stood. A lot of guy didn't want that to happen, including myself. Luckily, we were able to get back out on the course around 6:15pm. For the final 6 holes, I actually played fairly well. I played those holes in +3 to finish at +19. Going into the round, my goal was a 90. I finished at 91. The leader, at that point, had shot an 80, so I was 11 strokes off the lead. Relieved that we had finally finished the round, we met up with our wives and headed to dinner that night. We actually ended up at the same spot we went the night before, King Street Grill. We enjoyed our time out and then headed back to try and sleep before the REAL course the next day. Again... sleep was difficult to come by. I woke up that morning and woke my son who wanted to walk the course as a spectator while we played. We got ready, packed up the car so my wife wouldn't have to do it when she woke up (because we were leaving right after the round) and headed outside to wait for our ride to the course. Once we arrived, everything from the moment we pulled up to the bag drop until the moment we left the course was absolutely outstanding. We turned the corner from around the clubhouse and were greeted by the sight of the Atlantic Ocean's waves rolling in towards the range and the practice green. After some warming up, my son and I walked over to the clubhouse and sat on some of the chairs there for a few minutes to just relax and take in the views. When it was finally time to go and make our way out to the course, we headed over to our carts where we were introduced to our forecaddie, Robbie. My son walked along the beach to get to the 15th tee, where we would be starting. When we arrived... it all became real. I recognized the hole from playing it so many times on my phone. Over the course of the next 5+ hours, I was repeatedly punched in the gut by this course. Shots that I thought were going to be nearly perfect found their way into valleys short of the greens. Putts that I hit exactly where I wanted missed. The wind was unlike anything I had played in before. Holes 15 through 4 played with the wind at our backs. It meant taking less club and trying to land just on the front of greens. Holes 5 through 13 played directly into the wind. When I say wind, I don't mean a 5 MPH wind. I'm talking about a steady 15 MPH, sometimes with gusts to 25 MPH wind. Drives that I had hit on the screws into the wind didn't clear 215. The longest drive I hit on those holes was 221 yards. It was a ball that, from experience, I know on a flat course with no wind would have gone 270. The sun didn't hide all day, and it was a 93 degree day with a ton of humidity. I did my best to keep cool with cold towels from my cooler and drinking a bottle of water every 2 holes. Still... by the time we got to the 14th hole, our final of the day (and the hole which I was least looking forward to)... I was exhausted. I stood on that par 3 tee needing a 5 to break 100 (which was my goal heading into the day). All day, I had played a fade. The forecaddie told me to aim at the right side of the green and play my fade and the wind would hold it there. I knew that left was death because of the huge (and that's an understatement) trap to the left of the green. I hit a solid 7 iron that started on my line and then got carried by the wind directly into the grass face of that trap. When we got to it, I had trouble finding it and then playing it was just as difficult. I did my best, but the ball hit the lip and rolled down to the bottom, just shy of the actual sand. From there, I hit a shot up onto the green, but it carried a bit too far and trundled down over the back. My pitch back up ran to the edge of the green and I needed to make that from about 20 feet to shoot 99. My putt died and dropped left at the hole, staying out by less than an inch. I tapped in for a 6 to shoot and even 100. This course tops most lists as the toughest course in the world. I played it from the 'Kiawah' tees rated 70.9 / 132 and playing at 6202 yards. On the scorecard, the 'Tournament' tees are rated 77.3 / 144 and play at 7356 yards. From the plates at the back of the course where the 2012 PGA Championship was played from, it's rated 79.2 / 155 and play at 7873 yards. I'm in no way someone that would call myself a 'good' golfer. My current handicap index is 16.0 and I usually post scores in the 91 - 93 range. I can dip into the mid-80 range from time-to-time... but I'm also capable of putting up a triple-digit score when my game is off. My game wasn't off on Sunday... it just wasn't on. I hit 10 of 14 fairways, which is FAR above average for me. My bigger problem was playing off the Seashore Paspalum grass from around the greens. The wind had a consistent effect on my approach shots which meant I was playing a lot of shots from around the greens and I simply didn't play them well. When the round was all over and we arrived back at the clubhouse, my wife and daughters were waiting for me. I checked in with a couple of my buddies (they shot 98 and 99) and my wife made the comment that we all looked like we just got beat up. I felt like it, too. I don't know how the professionals do it for 4 straight days and from 1600 yards further back. It was an extremely humbling experience, and one that I'm hoping makes me better down the road. I'm already making plans to go back again next year if the tour returns. Despite the cost (it was easily a $2000 weekend between the golf, lodging, food and gas)... I will tell anybody that asks that it was worth every single penny. If you're a golfer and you're looking for a bucket-list course... this is it. The Ocean Course at Kiawah Island Golf Resort is the real deal! Until next time... CY
  16. The Olympics are supposed to be about athletes wanting to compete against the best in the world while representing their country, it's never been a mandatory event or one that warrants public shame if one decides to not attend (at least not in the US). Whatever their real reasons are, professional golfers have the right to decide not to participate.
  17. Grip down. It doesn't take much. 3/4 inch = 5-8 yards. Having said that, the vast majority would be better taking the longer club and simply making a normal swing. They might actually get the ball close to pin high for a change...
  18. 38 and 42 for 80 yesterday, which is my lowest score yet. The thing is this could have been MUCH lower had it not been for a careless bogey on the 16th with a stupid three putt and a ridiculous triple on the 17th! Regards Mailman
  19. Most double bogies, especially from the average golfer don't come from "taking risks", they come from a poor swing that results in OB, water hazard, lost in the woods, whatever. A decent player can still break 80 with a double or two for exactly that reason, it's only a couple of bad swings. The reason that most golfers never break 80 is that they make a lot of those bad swings, that add up. But even good golfers, who break 80 (or better) consistently, will have the occasional bad swing that will result in a penalty and subsequently a double, or worse. Which is "harder" is a matter of skill level. For me, someone who, as the OP asked, is as likely to break 80 as not, if I had to bet on the result of any given round before the first tee, I'd bet that I break 80 over a DB free round of any score. Higher handicap players will find the opposite. Scratch or better players will seldom fail to break 80, but will still have their share of individual blowup holes. They'll just use their superior play on the remaining 16 or 17 holes to offset the couple of bad swings.
  20. I see lots of good advice, so I'll just add one more thing. When its windy, especially when its gusty, you're going to be wrong sometimes. Its unavoidable, and its not your fault. So you have to try not to let yourself get upset when what seems like a perfect shot ends up in a bad place. Even more than normal, you have to stay "even-keel" when playing in the wind. You may also need to make much more conservative choices, as @boogielicious suggests, because the variable wind can expand your shot zones significantly.
  21. First of all, the 3 degrees upright lie angle WILL affect your play! Positively or negatively, who can tell, since you haven't been fitted. Blow the money and take your chances, or get a fitting? You seem to be impressed with clubhead speed. Clubhead speed doesn't mean crap if all you're doing is hitting the ball farther IN THE WRONG DIRECTION! Take WUT's advice. Find someone who knows how to fit a golfer for clubs and get, at least, a wrist to floor measurement. This will get you a starting point. Hopefully this person will get you past that to lie angle and beyond. Lie angle is VITALLY important. My buddy has clubs he bought somewhere, and the lie angle is much too upright for him. When he addresses the ball the toes of his irons point to the sky! He's 5'8", but he needs to be 6'2" to play these clubs!
  22. It is never too late, but what do you mean by getting serious? If you mean getting good enough to play professionally then you are at a slight disadvantage. But if you mean becoming a single digit handicap, then no, it is not too late.
  23. I started when I was in 8th grade (I think that means I was 13...). I'm 24 now, and I feel like I haven't gotten particularly good until the last couple years or so. There are few things that you're too old to start at age 16, and golf isn't one of them, especially when you've presumably been playing sports most of your life.
  24. Knowing the "why" really helps me buy into and remember the "what". I asked questions. I really like video comparisons, if I can see that what the instructor is asking me to do puts more inline with the tour pro that I'm being compared too, that is when I can really buy into and dedicate myself to the instruction. Also, 5SK has been a huge help in me understanding the fundamentals and instruction. 5SK makes it easy to see for myself where some of my flaws are, it's really easy to see keys 1, 2, + 3 in a video. What to do to correct the problems is the harder part. One big benefit to having an instructor is it makes one accountable. If the instructor gives me a drill.swing change, one reason I'll focus on it is to show the instructor in the following lesson that I've made improvement at the task at hand. I like leaving lessons with an assignment.
  25. In the USGA system, your handicap is based on the best 10 of your last 20 scores. Say we have two players who both average 90 on the same golf course. The "steady" player's best 10 may average 88, while the "erratic" player's best 10 could average 86. In a match, erratic would give steady 2 strokes. That may or may not be fair, but its a consequence of the USGA choice to base your handicap on you better scores, and throw out your worse scores. The USGA has some specific recommendations regarding the handicap numbering of the holes. https://www.usga.org/HandicapFAQ/handicap_answer.asp?FAQidx=25 In general, they suggest the holes be ranked based on the difference of average scores between a group of low-handicappers and a group of higher handicappers. The Number 1 handicap hole should be the hole with the greatest difference in scores, that's where the stroke will most likely be needed most by a higher-handicap player to halve the hole in a match. To me, this makes sense, its the fairest way of allocating strokes. This may not be the hardest hole on the course. My home club has an uphill 174-yard par 3 with a severely tiered green, it may be the toughest par on the course. It's handicap number 16, and I believe that's because its hard on good players too. It would be interesting to take the data your league has, and see where the difference in scores falls, similar to the USGA recommendation.
  26. Success guys! At least on the range success. I took your thoughts and added one of my own and hit the ball better than I have for a long time. My swing thought for this session was, "Full swing; half speed" and it worked. Because I have been nervous about not swinging well I have been tensing up and got too quick in my back swing. This means I am not getting a full shoulder turn which in turn means a weak right result. I also use Tshapiro's idea of bracing the rear leg to prevent sway and to increase hip leverage. Viola! Long and straight off the driver. My 3-wood still needs works but then, it always did. I will have another practice session tomorrow and take it to the course on the weekend. Will let you know how that goes. I am pumped. Thanks for the thoughts guys.
  27. On the tee box just look for a broken tee in front. Tee up behind it, using it for your follow through aiming. You cant place it, but use it if its already there.
  28. I'm not trying to discourage you from what is working, results speak for themselves. But be aware that your feeling of weight forward 70% is most likely just that, a feel. Here is a photo with some numbers based on actual measurements, and you'll see how extreme true 70% weight forward is. He's almost falling over forwards and is still only 68%. So while 70% weight forward is obviously a great feel for you, it's probably just the feeling you need to stop yourself shifting backwards off the ball. So keep doing it, but be aware that it's a feeling, rather than a reality.
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