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  1. Only if you can get a perfect swing only by reading a book. Because we think the secret to a better swing is hidden in a book or a video when it's actually "hidden" in a thousand range balls hit with intentional, deliberate practice. Because what we think we are doing with our body is usually not what we are actually doing. You can understand all the physical processes and know the physics behind an ideal club path and ball flight, etc., but you still have to swing the club with your arms, keep your head steady, get your weight forward, etc., etc. I'm not trying to argue that there isn't a mental aspect of the game and of learning the game. As you said, when a person hits a bad shot they either pound the ground or ask "what happened there" and the latter person is going to make more/faster progress than the guy who mindlessly hits balls hoping for a good shot. However, to simply say "learning the swing is mental" is ignoring all the physical requirements of the game.
  2. How do I keep from blowing up? During those times I try to keep in mind what my grandfather told me as a hotheaded 11 year old trying to learn the game " your not good enough to get mad"
  3. Here's a brief video on golf pitching technique. Over the years this thread has gotten a LOT of updates, so I encourage you to read through this thread before commenting. However, one thing that hasn't changed is our belief in how this simple technique can save strokes and make pitching easier and even fun. This technique broadens the margin of error by using bounce or "glide" on the club, while allowing you to properly use speed to help control distance, get the ball out of tough lies, and get the ball closer to the hole. It is, by far, the best pitching technique out there, and is exhibited by the best PGA Tour players. There are plenty of testaments to its functionality throughout this thread (and site), so please enjoy, and thank you for watching. Edit (2020-06-24): Day 7 here has a good video, and some notes:
  4. The USGA standard for a scratch male golfer, who plays to a 0 handicap, only drives the ball 250. It's perfectly reasonable for an 8 to drive the ball 220 if they play the appropriate tees for their distance. The answer for anyone who is a legitimate 8-15 is probably no in that case. It has a course rating of 76.9 and a slope of 145 from the championship tees. An 8 handicap golfer has a course handicap of at least 10 when playing that course, meaning that the best 50% of their rounds would average out to approximately 87, assuming they played the course regularly enough to become familiar with it and develop this average. If it's the first time playing the course I can almost guarantee that no 8 handicap (or even a 6.5 handicapper such as yourself) would be very likely to break 90 if their handicap was an accurate representation of their ability. As I mentioned earlier, the answer for anyone who is an 8-15 is supposed to be a no, they shouldn't expect themselves to break 90 from the championship tees the first time they play that course based on the numbers. Handicap =/= number of strokes over par you can expect to shoot on any given course.
  5. Reality check: A premium after-market golf shaft can cost $300+. A golf lesson costs $60. Get a golf lesson with launch monitor before buying new shafts. Make sure it's not operator error, or mis-adjustment of clubhead.
  6. Agreed. It's like gun control laws in that they only hurt the law biding citizen, but in no way curtail the accessibility to criminals who will get their guns anyway. This rule only penalizes the honest golfer and in no way checks the cheater.
  7. I still question the worth of this rule.....I am retired, my playing partners are not, so I do play a lot of solo rounds. But what does posting or not posting matter? I play with my friends, go home and post my score online, they are not looking over my shoulder, does it count? I play at my home course with one other player I only know casually, we both keep our own scorecards, really could care less what the other person scores, does it count? I play away at a course, I am paired up with 3 strangers, I play my round, never see them again, then post my score, does it count? Nobody's called me yet to say these scores do or don't count, or ask who witnessed them. The concept behind the rule is supposedly to achieve more honest scores for handicaps, right? I can see no way it has ANY affect, other than penalizing the solo golfer and questioning his integrity. I want to have an honest handicap that best reflects my abilities, both good and bad, but posting rounds I play with others would only be about 20% to 25% of my scores. With greater than 75% not being counted, it can only skew the results, not better reflect reality.
  8. Thanks! Shoulder seems to have had some kind of miraculous recovery. 3-4 days of massive pain and arm in a sling, then woke up just fine. Its weird, but Ill take it!!
  9. Welcome to our corner of the internet, I hope you enjoy it! One good way to get help in improving your swing is by posting videos of your swing here: https://thesandtrap.com/forums/forum/13-member-swings/ You'll get tips on improvement from some very solid instructors. Be sure to open up the Hidden Contents near the top of that page to understand how to film the video to make it useful.
  10. I kind of want it to rain so I can see the roof close.
  11. You made 10 birdies out of your last 270 holes (15 rounds x 18 holes), or about 3.7%. If your GIR stayed the same, that puts you at about 10% birdies per GIR. I don't keep stats like that, but I probably average between one and two birdies per round, probably closer to one. As a guess, I probably hit around half the greens, which would put me just over 10% conversion. I just had 2 rounds over the past weekend where I made 8 birdies, and hit 23 or 24 greens, which would lead to some kind of ridiculous conversion rate of 33% or more, but that's not really a normal result for me. Last, club pros play at scratch when they play in sanctioned tournaments of any kind. Some are better players than others, obviously, and if they calculated a USGA handicap they might end up anywhere from +3 or +4 to 3 or 4 the other way. To advance in the PGA ranks, they have to pass a Play Ability Test to document a certain minimum level of playing skill, but they don't have to be able to play to scratch. I'm sure some keep handicap calculations, and others don't. I know I can play one of our assistants pretty close to even, but I'd want 2 or 3 more than my handicap if I played the other, he's really that good.
  12. All things being equal, Tiger in 2000. Never been a run like that.
  13. At that point in time in 2000 Tiger was the all time best. Career all time best IMO would go to Jack.
  14. I have started to rate my rounds more on my ability to recover from bad shots. A lot of holes where I would have had some pretty astronomical numbers I've been able to recover by thinking through the best way to recover. Sometimes that's taking the slightly more risky shot as opposed to chipping out and having 200+ and other's it's realizing that chipping out is going to result in the best chance to recover. Basically, instead of rushing to the decision of how to him my next shot I actually weigh out the pros and cons quickly then decide. Surprisingly, most of the time this has actually resulted in good choices. Even on some of the times where I didn't score the best on the hole it was due to execution and not poor choice making.
  15. Not because of his overconfidence, per se, but there was a lot in those comments relative to bonding with the team and it's captain. If DC doesn't know him well, and I suspect he doesn't, I believe those comments did not go over well. He may have never had a chance, esp with Peters winning last week, but I'm guessing those remarks did not help his cause any.
  16. That's a horrible thing to say to yourself or others. We do have to be realistic about our abilities, but it would be better to put a positive spin on it. They might have a painful walk back to the car.
  17. Because amateurs compete typically in events that use handicap adjustments to equalize the field whereas pros tend to play in events that are scratch so handicap is irrelevant. Plus they also tend to score at or below par so adjusting backwards to par doesn't make sense.
  18. I think it depends on what you mean by that. Of course, golf is a physical sport. A good swing is a purely physical act. But, how you get that good swing can vary. I would say golf is a mentally demanding game because unless you are one of the rare people who are born with a good swing, the act of developing that good swing is an intellectual exercise. You need to understand the physical processes that produce a good shot. Otherwise, why would we bother reading, why would we bother watching videos, why would we get lessons, why do we videotape our own swing and ask for feedback? Those activities are much more intellectual than physical. To play good golf, you don't just work out and develop your muscles and flexibility, you also have to be able to analyze and to learn. I play golf with people who are far superior to me athletically, but I play better because I am more analytical. They hit a bad shot and pound their club into the ground in frustration. I hit a bad shot and I think, what happened there? I think more than they do. So in my case at least, I would say learning to play golf has been much more of a mental exercise than a physical exercise. And that is why I would say, overall, golf is at least as much mental as it is physical, if not more so. That's one of the reasons I find it so enjoyable. I am a lousy athlete, but I can learn this game, because I have a good brain. Swinging the stick is physical. Learning to swing the stick is mental. Maybe during a round it's more physical than mental. But learning, practicing, preparing, buying the right clubs, buying the right balls, figuring out how to hit the ball on the sweet spot with optimum clubhead speed, learning the proper positions you should be in at various stages of your swing... that's mostly mental. I you are a good athlete, you can play good golf. If you are an average athlete with a good mind, you can also play good golf. This is an intellectual sport, much more than any other sport I can think of. That's why I love golf so much.
  19. All things being equal it's a tough call to make. Huge changes in equipment, advances in agronomy, maintenance practices, course lengths. About the only thing in common between the 40's and now are the rules are basically the same
  20. Pieters, Kaymer and Westwood with a wildcard. Well done Pieters!
  21. For me personally fractional full swings would be measured by left arm like a clock face , my full is just past 9 so a 3/4 would be in between 7 and 8. Erik pitches I would basically the same but it would be the shaft as the clock hand since my hands stayed pretty much in the same place
  22. Encouraging signs that the U.S. Ryder Cup approach to pairings has entered the modern age. http://www.geoffshackelford.com/homepage/2016/8/29/ryder-cup-fun-sets-in-luke-donald-considered-for-pick-davis.html
  23. I don't know much about it, but if their captain chooses against somebody because that somebody is cocky or an "ahole" then their captain is stupid. Making the safe pick who everybody likes is how you get crap like Jim Furyk on your team. Who wants a team full of nice losers? Like I said, I don't really know much about it but for their sake, if they choose against him, I sure hope it's not because of him being overconfident.
  24. UPDATE: Before league play I was able to go to the range and hit a 100 balls. They were flying pretty true, but I am one of those range guys. I can hit fades, draws, etc. at the range. I get on the course and find it more difficult. So I'm hitting them pretty good at the range. Even the 5 iron. the 4 not so much. I look down and see one ball left and forgot I have a new gap wedge. It's 50 degrees. Most of the clubs I noticed played about 5 yards further than my current clubs. But the grouping was MUCH tighter. I didn't try any fades or draws because I was short on time. fThe gap was a good hit, but I wasn't too sure the distance. Guessing from the other clubs distances it would be about 90 to 100 yards. I also tried a Wishon 3 hybrid 775 I believe. It was pretty good when I could hit it. But half were good, half bad. I just need more than 10 balls to get use to it. But again, I was limited on time. On to the course. First shot after drive was an 85 yard approach. here comes the gap wedge. Stuck it 12 feet from the cup. First thing I noticed, the height on the approach stopped the ball at 90 yards. So the distance was right with less roll. Just like the trackman showed at Golfsmith. Second hole, hit a great 6 iron layup out of the rough giving me another approach. Stuck it again for par on a par 5. Third hole, approach from 150, stuck a 6 just right and short on a VERY tough approach shot. And that's my story. Sure I had some miss hits when I was thinking how incredible I was playing. But to cap it off I stuck a 90 gap wedge again, for a 24 inch birdie put on #8 par 3. Conclusion: the clubs are all they are billed to be. They are forgiving, yet accurate and have a great approach that allowed me to hold greens. All the hype I heard,.... was not really hype. These clubs rock. Now I'm sure I'll have a bad round (heck check out the 9 I got) and question things at some point, but for now, I'm on cloud nine. Ciao!~
  25. I voted Tiger 2000. You don't mention if they would be playing *today's* versions of the course or if they would have year appropriate tee boxes . .or of the old timers would use modern equipment and be given time to adjust. Tiger Woods of 2000 had at least 40-50 yards carry distance over Bobby Jones. Jones, Hagen, Snead and Hogan would not be used to playing on lush fairways with little roll-out. There are a lot of inequities that would have to be accounted for . . but,even if they were somehow all accounted for, I still vote Tiger Woods of 2000. edit - you know what would be interesting to imagine . . instead of playing the top 10 courses . .instead let them play 1 tournament at a place like Brackenridge in San Antonio - designed in 1916 . . .an old style course, not long but quite challenging . . . using the gear of their eras.
  26. I recently bought what could be termed a "smart home" but it may be more stupid than @Golfingdad's dumb home. For starters any system that is "ready" to go will require you to pay a monthly fee and it will be hefty (at least by my standards) ~$30-50. I got it for free for about 6 months and it did things like control my thermostat and unlock my front door and let me know if there was an unauthorized entry into one of the many doors. The system I had was made by 2Gig run by alarm.com was pretty good. Thermostat app worked really well and door lock could be set to open for certain people at certain times. It worked, I would give it a grade of B+. The trouble began when I decided I did not want to pay the $50 a month. Instantly the thermostat went offline. It does not work without the complete system. So now I am forced to buy a new one (a dumb one) or set up a system myself. Absolutely nothing that was smart would work that was connected to the system. The 2Gig system is proprietary and can only work when connected to the alarm system. Now I have to hack the 2Gig system (deep online searching) to get the thermostat and front door lock (the front door lock is made by Kwikset and can be detached) detached from the system. Took me a whole day. The other door monitors because they are part of a closed system for 2Gig will never work with any other system. So they are just dead weight sitting around my house. I went out and found the Vera (getvera.com) system to run my thermostat and front door lock. The Vera system is serviceable but is not an all-star solution by any means. I would give it a C- grade. It will do the things I want but the app is crap and rarely if ever works and it so slow that when it does work it is beyond painful. So all work has to be done on the PC at your house. It can be expanded to do the things that the OP is asking for. But it is far far from ready. @iacas has the most accurate description. It is just not ready for prime time yet. I was hopeful that Nest would come out with a simple solution that would go along with their thermostat but nothing has come yet. With Fadell leaving they probably need to figure some things out before they produce a solution. Samsung has "Smarthings" but it is not a complete solution and very comparable to the Vera system that I have. Samsung bought another company to get it and hasn't put much resource into improving it yet. Maybe later they will. I am hopeful that Apple will see this market as ripe for a simple no nonsense solution that they are so good at providing, but that looks to be on a future roadmap with an unknown timeline. So the landscape is still not complete yet. I for one am waiting.
  27. I voted for Tiger 2000, and it's not even close IMO. Also, @StefanUrkel, I voted because I added a poll… https://thesandtrap.com/how-to/create-a-poll/. It's easy.
  28. OK, I will relent and say that golf is as much mental as physical, but I am not budging from that
  29. Those two contradict, to some extent. Golf is not more mental than physical. I'll disagree with that vehemently. A good player has superior physical skills. The mental edge accounts for a very small contribution to the score.
  30. 9i to SW... Two different types of swings from my PW. I see you have LSW. From the idea in the book (and posts on this forum) I came up with this which I have taped on my push cart and have made a card also for my pocket when I don't have my push cart.
  31. I'm in Grand Forks, ND and I have a buddy that lives in Sartel, MN and his home course is Blackberry Ridge so I have played it a couple times. Very nice course! We did a guys weekend the end of last year and we did 18 at Blackberry Ridge, and then 18 at Albion Ridges in Annandale, MN. Albion is a hidden gem as well. The drive out there is all farmland until you pull up to the clubhouse. Definitely give it a shot if your in the area!
  32. I built a set using Hogan CFT irons. They work well. The issue of distance from the ball to achieve the correct lie is circumnavigated with these clubs. Easier to maintain a correct swing plane. No free lunch however as distance splits between irons is not standard. Overall not a bad idea if learning to maintain a constant swing plane etc.
  33. I bought the 1 iron golf irons last summer and dropped my handicap by 4 strokes. There is a large mental hurdle that you have to get over in order to play these clubs. It is next to impossible for the single-digit handicap types to overcome the paradigm shift, because they are usually better than most of the people they play with so why should they change. I don't blame them for being "non-believers". I also don't play very often, 3 times a month is great and I am lucky to hit a driving range once per week. I don't play enough to get really good, especially my horrid putting. Here is what I find in a round of golf...by the time I make the turn, I am hitting the sweetspot on my irons consistently and that includes the high-lofted clubs. Why? Because even if I havent swung the 8i all day, when I get to the #10 tee box and pull the 8i, I am confident because I have been swinging virtually the same club all day leading up to that shot. I like them and play better with them. I have been know on several occasions to tee off with the 3i on 350yd holes rather than put my drive in the trees. Then I can hit a 6i or 7 into the green. Many naysayers talk about the distances being compressed. I don't know for sure, like I said, I don't play very often. I am buying a GPS this Spring and will record my yardage per club throughout the Summer.
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