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  1. What makes someone a person you love to play golf with? And, are you one of those people? Years ago, when I subscribed to golf magazines, I read an article that really stuck with me (Be the Most Popular Guy in Your Group, Golf magazine, linked below). It really got me thinking, and doing some honest self-evaluation. I knew I’d always had high, and often unrealistic, expectations for myself, and could let it get to me if not performing the way I thought I should be. But, was I a bad guy to play with? Using that article as a catalyst, and building on it since then, I’ve formed some little principles that I try to stick to. Yeah, I’ll always be a work in progress, but I do feel like I’ve come a long way. Some are directly from the article, and others - things that just feel common sense - I adopted on my own. They're generally non-competition-geared, but can adapt, I think. Let me know what you think, and add some of your own: Relating to the game, pace of play, and good group etiquette: Be a good “pace of play” guy/gal that fits the group’s pace well, but keeps things moving along - never be the slow guy Have an extra tee, marking coin, or maybe even a ball on hand to toss a playing partner (PP) in a pinch If you can tell they're looking for one, give 'em a yardage if you have an accurate way to do so Be the "sharp eye" of the group, helping mark your PP’s wayward ball to a specific spot, stake, tree, object, etc. And be doubly as keen in marking your own! Be their caddie from time to time: Fill/repair their divot, if the situation has you idly near them (say, at the cart with the mix bottle); this improves pace since they're busy posing, watching, etc., and sets a nice course-respect example, too! Same with pitch-marks on the green - if you're near their ball mark, repair it along w/yours. I'll even rake a trap after a PP's bunker shot, if it makes pace-sense (and doesn't make me come across as a weirdo ) Personality & Attitude: Take the game seriously (we're all there to play good golf), but not too much, because, really, nobody likes 'Mr. Serious' Keep a sense of humor, even when – perhaps especially when – you, or the group, aren’t playing their best Don't be a sulker! Ever! This is my #1, given my old habits. I’ve learned to refocus, and be enjoyable to be around even if I’m playing poorly, including my demeanor, body language (especially), comments, etc. If I'm playing poorly, or just in a bad stretch, I self-check, give a quick, single, humorous apology about the current state of my game (just one!) and try to find a way to have a good time, regardless of my play Never, ever frickin’ throw a club, or verbal/cart-punching tantrum! When I see my PPs do this, I'm embarrassed for them, and if they do it as a guest at my home club, they won't get invited back. I last threw a club when I was 19 or so, a brand new S2H2 8-iron, and it got stuck high in a tall Alabama pine and hung there for all to see for nearly a week (until a storm). I had no 8-iron, and had to give a painful explanation to my dad. Never again! Buy the group a round of drinks from the snack cart, or post-round! Most times, it’ll be reciprocated later…but don’t do it with that expectation - just do it! I'm one cheap dude, and I can pull it off. Be generally positive and encouraging with the group as a whole; recall some good shots they've hit in the past, or the things you like most about their game. And be generous (but genuine, and not over the top) with compliments. Compliment: "Man, I love how you hit those knock-downs...you've got 'em down to a science." Humorous compliment: "Man, you have eyes like a hawk in reading these greens...now if you could only putt." Encouragement: "Dude, don’t sweat it. I've seen your A-game...trust me…you’ll get it back.” Humorous encouragement: "Dude, don't sweat it. I've seen your A-game...trust me...you'll get it back. (pause) Actually, you know what?, I was thinking of Brad, there...my bad. But keep at it." And a final, critical, overarching rule in applying all of the above: Be “cool” about how you do these things - don't try too hard! Else, you'll just come across as a seriously weird dude So, what are some of the things you guys enjoy about your favorite playing partners, or that you try to do in order to be a great playing partner? Links: Be the Most Popular Guy in your Golf Group (written probably 10+ years ago, so pardon some of the dated references) How to Be a Great Golf Partner (another relevant article I found this week (Golf Digest, December 2015) - with an approach from more of a competitive/team perspective, but still with some great points) BamaWade
  2. On another note, when is the PGA going to wake up to picking US venues that may favor the American squad a little more from a weather standpoint? Basically the entire team lives in South Florida and very rarely play in cool temps and yet the PGA seems hell bent on putting the Ryder Cup in the Northern edges of the country in October- Chicago, Minnesota, Wisconsin (2020). Fortunately the forecast is looking decent this weekend but the morning rounds will still be played with temps in the 50s- IMO this favors the Euros who play in that kind of weather more routinely.
  3. A 5-hour round. Slow down. So you are the problem. Golf should never take 5 hours or even 4. I work rotating shifts and when I am on midnights I go from work straight to the course and tee off around 730am. My friend and I don't run and we read putts. We take the flag out and putt out. I get home and am in bed by 9:30am. Yes, we play 18 by the rules in less than 2hrs. People are slow golfers because they piddle ef around. They wait until they are away to start getting ready. They take two or three practice swings then duff it. They hit their drive 200 then wait for the green to clear 300 away. They couldn't get there if they tee it up again. They park or set their bag on the wrong side of the green. They take their wedge to hit a chip and then walk back to their bag to get their putter. They will leave the flag laying on the green while everyone putts out instead of one of the first to finish grabbing it and being at the ready to return it to the hole. They don't know their game and look for their ball no where near where it is. They sit beside the green recording scores or worse, air counting. They go to the next tee and instead of playing ready golf they all wait for the guy with the honor who is in the trees taking a leak. These reasons and many like them are why rounds take over 4 hours. People who play fast don't run or really do anything special they are just efficient. No wasted movement and always moving forward.
  4. It is funny ... but annoying at the same time, because I assume those same dummies he's ranting about are going to be even more obnoxious with the 'bababooies' and 'mashed potatoes' now. Ugh. Most of us here hate that just as much as he does.
  5. Yup - I'm sure there were those who wrote something similar about Tiger after his 1998 season. After bursting onto the PGA tour in late '96 winning 2 events, then winning 4 in '97 including his runaway Masters victory there were huge expectations. 1998 happens, no majors only 1 win on tour .... oh well 96/97 were great but they must have been a fluke. Now I'm in no way saying that Spieth will challenge Tigers record; but it is too early in a 23 year olds golf career to predict the future (okay what I'm really saying is "Haters gonna hate"
  6. This article is eerily similar to one of @Ernest Jones regular posts on this site. No offense taken by me, it's funny shit. I'm not sure brother Danny is crazy about him writing it, however. Does put a bit of extra pressure on him cuz some won't take this in the same spirit I do.
  7. Here's the deal: You want to play through the group in front of you due to slow play. Almost ALWAYS, slow play isn't the cause of the group directly in front of you. They can't go anywhere, either. So, you press the issue and let's say the group allows you to play through. Now, THAT group is waiting on YOUR group on every tee box and approach shot because there is no where for YOUR group to go. My solution: Make sure you play with people who are interesting and fun to be around. This way, when you find yourself in the midst of a 5-hour round, (heaven forbid for you speed golfers) the time waiting passes pleasantly. Slow down. Enjoy the day and your company and you'll worry a lot less about pace of play. dave
  8. I couldn't read this because paragraphs matter.
  9. I think it may have been a little over the top to push them if they were keeping pace with the 4-some in front. So many new/hack golfers really try and stay on "pace" by not trying to hit up into the people playing in front of them. Also, the guys didn't know anything about your normal tee-times or your quick rate of play, so they likely had no clue you guys usually breeze through a round. I think the right move would have been to let it be, knowing they had a 4some in front, then just dealing with it at the turn (after giving your buddy a text/heads up to come help out).
  10. I'm super excited! I was just told by my son's high school golf coach that he and another player will be competing in the individual class at our state championships. (We live in NH.) Some of you may recall, I started a thread a couple of months ago trying to find a similar used driver to the Taylormade M2 for my son. We can't afford much for equipment. @RandallT kindly sent us a SLDR driver that he had, and @Buckeyebowman sent a golf bag. @iacas was also really helpful, and @amoline has become a good friend that I chat with daily! Many others here on TST have been incredibly kind and helpful as well, and I'm so grateful! Anyway, our main goal was for him to make the team - which he did. Then out of the team of 12, 7 get to play in the tournaments based on their practice scores. Mack has always made the top 7 and has played the tourneys. Then he made it to the #1 slot and has been hitting in Group 1 and playing against seniors and juniors mostly. (He's a skinny freshman.) Now, I'm told he's going to state! I'm incredibly proud of him. He has worked very hard practicing. He has a lot going against him - parents who don't golf, little access to driving ranges, budget clubs and equipment, a neurological disability (APD) - yet he still perseveres. :) Thank you all for following my son's journey! I'll keep you updated if you'd like. Here's a pic of him all dressed up for homecoming last weekend. ;)
  11. well, considering four hours, give or take a few minutes, seems to be the generally accepted pace of play, I think you should re-evaluate who the a hole is
  12. Well written, and for once I have virtually nothing to add. Although I won't promise NOT to add some nonsensical foolishness later on, after I have a few beers (on you, of course, from the bev cart ). Oh, just thought of one more thing. Do NOT be that old lecher flirting with the bev-cart girl, as if you actually have any chance with the young lady. Don't make suggestive comments about her after she's left, Just act as if you're an adult, pretend to be one if that's the only option. In my world, that's even more embarrassing than the temper tantrums.
  13. Willetts brother, clueless as he is, just acted like the american fans he hates. What a buffoon
  14. You completely misread what he said. Although he is slightly mistaken in that his scenario doesn't quite apply to the OP, he is talking about people who are trying to go faster than all of the many groups in front of them. He's talking about that guy who's all stressed out on the freeway because he needs to be there NOW and he keeps changing lanes back and forth and back and forth and yet he's not moving any faster than the rest of us. But unlike commuting, golf is supposed to be a fun and leisurely activity, so he's simply saying that if you find yourself in a golf traffic jam, relax and remember why you are out there in the first place. (Presumably) because you enjoy the game and likely the company you are with.
  15. So DL3 spends weeks banging on about the team ethic/ personality/chemistry etc, surely talking about Bubba, then picks him as a vice captain? Bizarre.
  16. I like em, although the term "war" doesn't immediately come to my mind when I see em. Interesting anecdote I heard yesterday: Ryan Moore has been fitted for Ryder Cup gear for the past 3 or 4 Cups. This was the 1st year he wasn't, and voila, he makes the team. That's pretty cool.
  17. The last couple of years, TaylorMade and Callaway are offering more than a dozen different shafts for their drivers, with no upcharge. They also offer some uber-shafts that do have an upcharge fee. But, you have a lot to choose from these day in "stock" shafts. Likewise, the Titleist D-series drivers offer seven different stock shafts; other OEMs do this too.
  18. Ah, yeah, hadn't considered that angle. Reasonable folk in MN, no? Fingers crossed.
  19. Here's the juicy part, Lego Man hair, concealed-carry compensators, lol.
  20. I didn't think this was appropriate to put in the Contest thread, but I predicted that the Ryder Cup will end in eerily similar fashion to the 2015 Newport Cup, with the eldest Euro chipping in on the 18th, to win his match and halve the overall Cup.
  21. For those who need more reason to cheer on the US squad http://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/2016/09/27/pete-willett-i-aint-partisan-hes-my-brother/
  22. You might also be able to arrange this early in the morning, teeing off on one of the finishing holes. It wouldn't hurt to somehow give them the impression that you were looking for a place to play regularly next year. Its much more likely they'll do you a little favor if you're seen as a prospective long-term customer.
  23. Typically near the end of the season sales will begin and shops also begin to sell off Demo equipment. Last year I purchased a new driver from my club and they let me choose a shaft from the stock drivers they had on hand which were inter-changeable. Fitting really is nothing more than achieving a desired launch and ball flight by adjusting weight position, face angle in clubs heads that have adjustments which many have nowadays. Shafts will give you various launch, stiffness with "kick feel" and the ability to work the ball flight. My suggestion would be to discuss your intentions at the place you intend to use your credit. The staff will gladly assist you and answer any questions. Also, if you do this in the late afternoon, once you narrow your choice, ask if you can hit a couple of drives on the first hole. You then can compare the driver using your own brand golf balls and obtain the true distance.
  24. There will be an up charge for the difference in price for the shaft you choose, from the standard shaft. You won't pay for both.
  25. First thing you should do is to see if any of the professionals there are on staff with anyone. Staff players usually get equipment at wholesale prices or better, so if you make nice you might be able to get deal under the table. Otherwise, you're probably just better off using the card to stock up on balls, gloves or something like that.
  26. I've seen shops remove the stock shaft and you pay the price of the fitted shaft as an add-on (if it's a shop that keeps shafts in stock...i.e., a good "fitter" shop). And I've seen shops that fit you, then special-order the driver with that configuration. An out-of-the-box idea, should you be unsure that you really need (or want to go through all of that for) a new driver: use the pro-shop credit to get a nice gift for a good friend, or someone you feel you owe a gift of gratitude (someone that's picked up a round for you somewhere nice, or a nice dinner, etc.). Always feels really nice to do that, and is warmly appreciated by the friend. If you want to reward yourself - and don't decide on the driver - maybe rain gear, or a nice cool weather zip-up, pullover, etc. and hat combo? BamaWade
  27. The point that I was specifically responding to was, just because you're on top of another group, it still may be appropriate to allow others through. Just because @No Mulligans hadn't experienced it, didn't mean that the concept was moot by any means... And fwiw, our relatively fast group has allowed 5-somes through....
  28. Big difference between a 4some allowing a single through and a 2some, following a 4some, allowing a 3some through.
  29. I'm with Chamblee on this. Duval was defensive because Chamblee was essentially saying that the team leaders through the late 90s and early oughts were apathetic about the Ryder Cup. Duval was chief among them, he griped about not being paid. I think Phil and Tiger have changed their tune now, owing probably to the fact that the US has been dominated recently but also I think the young guns attitudes about it, Spieth, Reed, Fowler, has created more enthusiasm in them as well. But I believe that back in the day, the Ryder Cup really didn't inspire them very much and it showed in their results. I think BC nailed it.
  30. I'm going to agree with @Hardspoon, this decision is based largely on the principle of treating similar situations similarly, i.e. equity. All balls not found within 5 minutes are lost unless its virtually certain that the ball fits into one of a couple of categories, including being moved by an outside agency. The decision make it clear that it doesn't matter who moved the ball, if its not known or virtually certain that it was moved by an outside agency, it is lost. One thing that can provide that virtual certainty is finding Player B's ball within the time limit. The situation we're talking about is one of the very rare circumstances in which the player is essentially blameless (was essentially denied the opportunity to find and identify his ball), the ball was moved by an outside agency, the movement by the outside agency is known before the play of the hole is complete (but after the search period has elapsed), and the location of the original ball can be determined with reasonable accuracy. It makes sense to me that, in fairness, Player A "deserves" better treatment than the decisions allow. However, "equity" doesn't necessarily means fairness, it means "consistency." I'm guessing that the group that made this decision didn't want to start making additional "exceptions" to the lost ball rules, opening up a can of worms for future exceptions for balls located after the 5-minutes search period. I'm sure the 5-minutes time limit isn't one of the core principles, but expanding the "standard" time limit in only specific circumstances does seem inconsistent with "equity", and equity is one of the core principles. I think this is one of the more interesting Rules topics I've read, because it doesn't just focus on what the rules require, but on the basis behind the rules and decisions.
  31. I teach at the college level, and one thing that really helps gain the attention of college golf coaches is good grades in high school. College golf is - day to day - one of the most time-consuming sports you can play. Yeaaaars ago, I both wrestled and played golf on the junior college level. For wrestling practice, I walked 100 yards from the library to the gym, practiced for 2 hours, and was done for the day. For golf, I had to hitch a ride to the course about four miles from campus, spent two to six hours doing golf things, and then returned to campus. Being it was junior college, most of our away golf matches were about an hour from campus or less. At a four-year college, players will be gone a week at a time in the spring for some of the bigger golf matches. Players have to negotiate with teachers, and then deliver assignments on time amid the travels. Being able to study effectively and having solid time management skills are just as important as having a low HDCP. Lots of small-college golf programs have a player or two who started out in the big time, but crashed and burned academically and had to do some serious regrouping. Despite all the challenges, golfers who make it for four years tend to be excellent students.
  32. I have played Mizuno irons for about five years and like them very much. However I was a club builder for ten years back in the early 2000's and Tom Wishon Golf is a great company and the owner is one of the best designer of clubs bar none. I have built many clubs from his company and myself have had four sets of irons and many fairway woods and drivers from him as well. Just as good and better than some of the OEM's, but the one bad thing is with all components is a low resale value simply because most people think clone when you mention components but that is not the case with Wishon Golf they design their own heads and shafts. You can't go wrong with either company as both make great equipment.
  33. Hi everyone! I just wanted to let you know that we had a great time! We went on the Saturday, and it was really fun. I think one of the best parts was watching the pros hit off the 18th tee from just a few feet away. I can't wait to go next year!
  34. I believe the technology in new clubs benefits the 8 - 24 handicapper the most. Higher handicap players have such an inconsistent swing their problem isn't likely the clubs. As you get below an 8 your swing is probably consistent enough that you could play with any clubs and have decent results.
  35. My .02, I think technology in golf mostly accentuates the things you already do well. For example, if you strike the ball well, technology can help you hit it farther. Or, if you are able to shape shots, technology can give you better shot shaping ability. I'm not aware of any technology that fixes swing problems.. if there is, I would love to know. If there is I would buy it. In the beginning I bought nice clubs (used) because I wasn't sure I'd stick it out, and I figured I could easily resell a name brand set vs. a generic set. I don't think they provide any real advantage to me, because I'm simply not consistent enough.
  36. I started playing with 1/2 of the club set to improve hitting control shots. By carrying full set of clubs, I have been using full swing on most shots. The drawback is that when my full swing goes south, so does my whole game. There are times when 3/4 shots with longer club is needed. By forcing myself to carry only 1/2 clubs, I am hitting more 3/4 shots which are easier, more accurate at times.
  37. I know this course well, in fact my buddy used to be head pro out there 20 years ago, or so. Short track but water prevents the use of driver or even 3W on 5 or 6 holes, guaranteeing pretty long approach shots. Some holes require a 6 or 7I lay up from the tee. It's a bit tricked up, but I enjoy it and have lit it up a few times. It's bitten me a few times too. Biggest problem there is that it plays very, very slow on the weekends, owing to its layout so I don't get out there much.
  38. I'm going out to buy a 14-pound sledge, and see if it helps my distance.
  39. @Groucho Valentine jogged my brain a little when he said to pick a college (first) that has a golf program your son likes (second). For just about everyone, the college education should be the primary basis of selection. A golf scholarship certainly could skew the choice, but the education, finding the right field, the right general location, they all have to come ahead of the golf. Golf may pay for some of it, but its the education that's going to be most important when his college days are over.
  40. I posted the above reply on June 15th. At that point, I had a 15.8 index. Since then, I've made some pretty large strides in terms of consistency and my over all game. The revisions that followed: July 1st - 16.3 July 15th - 16.0 August 1st - 15.4 August 15th - 15.0 September 1st - 14.8 September 15th - 14.3 After my last few rounds (40*, 39*, 95, 87, 81)... I'm trending towards a 12.8 index. I don't know if I'll get to play this week at all, but if I do... the worst I will wind up with on the October 1st revision would be a 13.1 index. So... at this point, I'd say that, yes... I'm a better golfer than I was at this point last year. I hope to be able to continue to build on what I've been doing. I ordered Lowest Score Wins about 10 days ago... so, when that arrives, I'll be using that to help me as well. CY
  41. I think that using the pro shop was the correct method for solving the problem. So that part I think you were in the right. I wonder though if you were standing in the fairway hands on hips (you know how you look if you're doing this) ready to hit the instant they got off the green and were not being a little pushy. If you were being pushy, in a non confrontational way, meaning not telling them but doing the little things that everyone knows is pushy. That is not right. So pending the second part of my answer I want a C option where I can say half right, half wrong.
  42. Well, I might not be running up to my next shot (I'm older than dirt), but I promise to floor the pedal of my cart and get there as fast as I can. :) Never mind taking time to enjoy the beautiful green fairway, the trees, the smell of the grass, the sunset, etc... What slows play is is stalking your putt for 7 minutes and then missing it. Again.
  43. Jesus and Moses are playing golf in Heaven when they come to the par-three 17th hole, a long carry over water to an island green. Moses tees off with a 3-wood and hits the green. Jesus takes out his 5-iron and says, "I'm going to hit a 5-iron because Arnold Palmer would hit a 5-iron from here." Jesus tees it up and hits a lofted iron shot that finishes 25 yards short of the green and in the water. Jesus turns to Moses and says, "How about parting the water so I can play my ball where it lies?" Moses says, "No way. You foolishly chose the wrong club because of your Arnold Palmer fantasy and I'm not going to be a party to it!" Jesus shrugs and starts walking on the water to where his ball went in. Just then, a foursome approaching the tee box sees Jesus walking on the water. One of them asks Moses, "Who does that guy think he is, Jesus Christ?" Moses turns and says, "No, he thinks he's Arnold Palmer!" R I P King
  44. A loss to all of golf. Have new, great journey. Maybe show God how to hit a 2 iron.
  45. the most embarrassing thing I have done recently was put my weight on my putter while putting my ball down on my marker. The green was a bit damp and the putter slid out from under me and I face planted onto the green.
  46. Pretty much irrelevant to the situation in golf. In football the primary reasons for rule changes are for safety, and for giving the less knowledgeable majority of fans the higher scoring offenses they want so that they don't have learn or understand the finer nuances of the game. They get action and that's all most of them want. In golf, rule changes come from a perceived need in the actual playing of the game. Safety is presumed to be maintained in the design and management of the course, and scoring is also a factor of design and maintenance of the course. The rules don't factor into that. They are more concerned with adherence to the underlying principles which the game has evolved from. Two of the most fundamental of those principles are that you play the ball from tee to hole without touching it and you play the ball as it lies. As long as the ball lies on the course, it is potentially still possible to play under those principles. When the ball lies off the course, you can no longer play it as it lies. You have played a stroke which left you in a location where play is disallowed. When the ball lies out of bounds it is no longer in play. The only logical recourse under those fundamental principles is to play again from the last location where the ball was still in play. It must be understood that the principles govern and determine the structure and maintenance of the rules. This is why it's so important to read Tufts pamphlet and get that basic understanding before just lashing out at a rule simply because it doesn't seem to be fair for this or that particular situation. The rules have to apply over a broad spectrum of courses and conditions. You don't rewrite a rule just for a small number of poorly designed courses.
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