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  1. As I just said in another thread. I focus on getting the little white ball in the stupid hole in as few strokes as possible no matter what my situation is. The score is what it is.
  2. @Golfingdad, another thing you can do is if you see your shadow, place a ball or something on top of your shadow's head, make sure you don't move off that ball.
  3. Can't find a link, but the latest Golf Digest had an interview with a guy who's coached a bunch of mid to top tier pros. Title was something like Swing Doctor to the Stars or something... One thing he said I thought was really interesting. He said putts should be 1/2 stroke. Presumably he means, to get technical, any stroke on the ball resting on the green counts as 1/2 stroke, any stroke on the ball sitting off the green is 1 stroke. Let's not get caught up in fringe or links definitional discussions. The point was by example. Take a long par 3 with a bunch of water guarding the green. Player 1 hits a 3i to 20 feet, two putts. Player 2 bails out away from the water, hits a decent pitch to 8 feet, sinks the putt. Player 1 did something actually much harder – getting that 3i to 20 feet – than did player 2 – miss with a 3i, then get up and down from relatively close. Under the proposed system, player 1 cards a 2, player 2 cards a 2.5. I think this is a cool idea, though of course it would require all new scorecards, slope/rating, and handicapping systems... Thoughts?
  4. So you'd rather change golf for everyone else than just change your own personal expectations? No offense meant, but the easier solution of the two by far would be to understand your current abilities and set goals accordingly.
  5. Thirty under par is what you'd see some pros shooting if you changed the par to 90. Pros can shoot 60 or better. 60-90 = -30, or 30 under par. The average golfer does have a realistic score to shoot for. Often times golfers aim to break 100, or aim to break 90, or sometimes even to break 80. Those are all realistic goals for different golfers to have. Every golfer is different, so every golfer's personal goal should be different and set by them to be realistic and achievable, rather than having a blanket "par 90" type deal. Many people are still quite happy breaking the aforementioned "barriers" in scoring, regardless of what the par rating of the course is. I know I was ecstatic the first time I shot in the 80's or in the 70's (and 60's). Why should every golfer be expected to beat par? Par is an arbitrary benchmark set based upon the ability of an expert golfer, nothing more. It means nothing to your final score. I'm curious what you mean by "it's just a different game". What two things are you comparing in this statement? It isn't entirely clear from the given context. The par rating of a hole doesn't change what a good score on that hole is. Also, as a heads up, if you read LSW wins you'll find you're likely better off trying to hit the green in as few strokes as possible more often than not. While it depends on the individual player's ability to hit such a shot, of course, you will generally tend to score better if you hit each full shot as close to the green as you reasonably can. I just don't see any benefit to be gained from making everything a par 5. All it does is change a benchmark that is already arbitrarily set in the first place, for an equally arbitrary reason. Leave the par where it is, and set your overall goals based upon your final score, not how many over or under par you were. Better yet, set a goal based upon the scoring differential from your round (and, by extension, your handicap), which takes into account the difficulty of the course as well as your score that day. The handicap system does what you're looking to accomplish in a much more precise and elegant form. It gives you a number to aim for based on the best 10 of your last 20 rounds, and if you match or beat that number you know you had a good day. If you didn't match it, it just wasn't your best day on the course. Either way, it's the most realistic goal for any golfer that steps out onto the course.
  6. Why does everyone want to change the game of golf?!!!!
  7. Yes. Seriously. Your (ill-considered) proposal of making par for a round of golf at 90 would result in some pros shooting 30 under par, in a single round! To wit, Justin Thomas just shot 59 last week in Hawaii, and did it on a track longer than 7000 yards, with some fairly narrow fairways (on some holes). Humbling enough? The reality is that pros play a different game than most amateurs and they do it with the additional pressure of trying to eke out a living doing it. We can see it, day in and day out and without having to change the rules of the game or what "par" means. They are in a totally different league (literally!)... Instead of looking for a meaningless way of making you feel better about your (or mine) shitty game (nothing personal of course and I don't know your game), do the best you can to break your own personal best or the next barrier, wherever it may be. Take lessons, practice, learn more about what's good and what's bad, etc... In other words, strive to improve, whether to break 100, 90, 80, 75 (for me), or par or whatever your limit is currently at.
  8. My suggestion to the OP would be to rate yourself against "your" par which would be your net score. If you get a handicap stroke on a par 4 hole, then 5 is your par. If you get 2 strokes, then 6 is your par.
  9. One thing I love about golf is that your score is your score. You can directly compare yourself to pros, adjusting for course difficulty and conditions. In other sports, one can hit 5 home runs in a game- but that's meaningless because you might be against a bad pitcher. You could score 60 pts in a basketball game but the defense you played might be a joke. But in golf, you can look st the course difficulty and your score, and pretty much see where you stand against the greatest in the world. If anyone wants their own scoring system, go for it. Use 90, sure, if it works for you. All depends on what you want out of the activity. Another cool thing about golf- it's very measurable and we can each do it our own way (until we want to directly compete, of course)
  10. To find out if they have coverage for the event that week, visit here: https://www.pgatourlive.com/this-week I had it last year and generally considered it a value (but I don't have Golf Channel to record on the DVR). Their information on what tournaments are covered is poor, but I recall that it was most of the non major tour events that are in the U.S. Not sure about the WGC's and the Playoffs. What you get when they do cover the tournament is full-day coverage of the Thursday & Friday rounds. I can't remember whether they covered the full field or several featured groups, but I never felt like I was shortchanged. You see much more of the in-between shots. This coverage (Thurs & Fri) is recorded and available to play back during the weekend (it disappears on Monday). Then on Saturday and Sunday, you get to see early round coverage before it goes to the network. If you decide to go month-to-month, cancel after the playoffs. I don't think they have any tournaments between then and the following January, which they are sneakily very mum about.
  11. Par on every hole is an arbitrary number. In the end what matters is the total score (either net or gross), and strokes over or under par is just a convenient way to compare those scores. The goal of each hole, regardless of the par rating, is to get the ball into the hole in as few strokes as possible. Because of this, changing the par rating doesn't really change much at all. You still shoot the same score as before, and I don't think you'd get any more satisfaction by raising the par to 90. You'd just see that the expert players were shooting nearly 30 under par in a round, compared to your even par round, and feel similar to how you do now. Those are my thoughts anyways.
  12. Yes. But most people cannot and do not.
  13. iacas

    Solar Golf carts?

    Higher than 43 MPH. A golf ball just falling from 30 yards in the air would be going about 50 MPH (just the vertical component), IIRC. 30 yards is almost 9.8m*3.
  14. Just curious, would you advocate approaching the shot the same in both scenarios?
  15. @Pretzel said it already, but no. If you're not throwing out the angle and your hands are rising (or the rate at which your hands are rising is > the rate at which the radius is increasing by throwing out the trail wrist angle), the club will be ascending. People de-loft their putters yet hit up on the ball. Same deal. I'm going to give you the benefit of assuming that's just poorly worded, because the D-Plane is almost always off the ground with a driver… it's teed up, and the origin of the D-Plane is at the point of max deformation by the center of the golf ball (on the clubface, typically). SAT tends to move the low point of the swing back, but it can also rotate the baseline of the D-Plane to the right, lead to a rapid overtaking rate (i.e. the top of the D-Plane goes from right to left-pointing pretty quickly), etc. Dynamic loft isn't tied to AoA. If that were the case the spin loft would remain consistent. That's not the case. Many players who hit up have also learned how to minimize loft so they can narrow the spin loft. Many players who hit down have to almost increase the spin loft because they benefit from a little more spin since they launch the ball lower. If they were even with the ball, instead of slightly ahead of the ball? In my experience he'd do the opposite: he'd increase his dynamic loft more than he'd increase his AoA, thus delivering more spin loft.
  16. It is just semantics. After a hole, I mark down a number either way. You can call it a double bogey or a six or a one-over average(?). It's the same cruddy hole in my book.
  17. To build on what @natureboy said, when you remove the extra insight gained by seeing more putts at the hole as is common for a par putt versus a birdie putt, the idea of "loss avoidance" becomes rather weakly supported. To the tune of a percent or two. An unremarkable number, really. I'll put it another way: there have been studies that show players are more likely to make a par putt than a birdie putt, but almost all of the margin by which they do so is explainable by the extra information they've accumulated, leaving virtually no "percent better" to attribute to "loss aversion."
  18. That study (possibly by a non-golfer) didn't account for the order in which the putts to avoid bogey were hit. Those putts usually come after a fellow competitor has hit their birdie or par attempt due to the order of play going to the farthest from the hole. So for a large share of putts to save bogey you may get to 'go to school' on the opponent's putt and gain information about the break near the hole. That may be true generally and even in golf there may still be an effect, but it's likely the 'going to school' on another player's putt is a larger effect. That study may need a follow up. @Psychonana, what is your 'average golfer' model. The largest share of golfers with official handicaps in the U.S. are ~ 14 handicaps. If you include the larger universe of all people who play the game, the average handicap is likely much higher. For my game, birdies on a course rated 72 would be extremely uncommon. Pars relatively few, Bogeys and Doubles common. Avoiding Triples and quads while trying for bogeys would be my goal/target.
  19. 1. I don't think pros are disappointed with par. They are still only making 4-5 birdies per round and those are most on the par 5s/easier holes. They play for par on many of the tougher ones. 2. Terrible. You're just lowering the bar. People would eventually get used to that standard and being "better than average" would no longer be satisfying. Another twenty years and someone will want to make every hole a par 6 so we can all shoot 10 under and feel good about ourselves again.
  20. Very interesting question. There was an article in Golf Digest last year about how people statistically putt better when they are trying to avoid bogies than when they are trying to make birdies.
  21. You are correct. The book, Lowest Score Wins, I believe, endorses this approach. I can't do the book's ideas justice in a short response but I will try to describe the general theme. The authors strongly suggest that one make an assessment of where one's shots typically fall (shot zone) for each club. When deciding upon one's next shot, one should select the club that results in the closest point to the hole without risking ending up in a hazard (water or bunker) or other unplayable spot (dense forest, long dense rough. So, for example, I may know that I can hit a green with my 3-hybrid. However, that club's shot zone also brings into play some deep bunkers and a water hazard. My 5 iron will probably leave me a few yards short of the green but it takes the bunkers and water hazard out of play. The book tells us to hit the 5 iron so we have an easy chip rather than go for the green (and a possible birdie putt) but risk ending up in serious trouble.* *unless you are on the last hole of a match, trailing your opponent by one and he is on the green in regulation.
  22. My home course is a par 72. It's not uncommon for me to have 10 pars, and 8 bogies in a round when playing there. Sometimes I might get 12 pars, 6 bogies for a 78, or vice versa for an 84. I just don't get that many double bogies or worse. I don't get that many birdies either. I know what the statitics say about players who carry this or that handicap. They should have this many pars, birds, bogies, double bogies and so on. I have been correctly discribed on this forum as an "outlier". The stats just don't fit how I play, when I am playing my own way of consistant golf. The number 80 is just a scoring goal I use when I want to play focused golf. I use it on every course I play up to 7K yards. I very seldom hit that exact number. Most of the time I am in the 82-83 range. More than a few times I can expect to card a 78-79 through out the year. In my own game, if I putt, and chip well, I score well. 28-30 putts usually means a good scoring day for me. Two, or three one putts is pretty normal for me. My long game is adequate, but not that long when compared to others. This means, I depend on my short game to score well. Hence, the "outlier" moniker.
  23. I just bought a FLSTC back in March. It's beautiful riding weather down here which is enhancing my winter happiness. Photo evidence.
  24. Seems it's been pulled from the market after alleged patent violations.
  25. The SuperSoft as well as the Softfli are very soft feeling and a bit longer for my swing. The DT TruSoft is almost as long as the SuperSoft but has a better feel and for my game it is better around the green and rolls out less. There are times when I want rollout in the fairway on a long course and will use the Softfli or SuperSoft to get myself a reasonable approach shot. However if I had to pick a 2 piece low compression ball as my gamer I would choose the TruSoft. Since I do not have that restriction I play the 3 piece Gamer Soft which is superior for my game than any of the 2 piece offerings.
  26. Shot an even par round in a competition this year. By far my best round of 2016. It included 2 3-putt pars and a lip out on my birdie putt on 18. That was a lot of fun.
  27. I understood. I saw potential for 'arm swing' to be misconstrued by some as 'arm effort' (which I don't think was being advocated) without some extra clarification / caveats for the terminology used. @Gaetano Fasano here's an interesting perspective about 'arm focus' vs. 'hip focus'. The ugly suckers below (cortical homunculi) represent how the body is mapped in the brain (proportion of cortical area devoted to the nerves in the body part). Notice how 'hands heavy' the representation is. It's possible the spinal cord and ganglia devote extra 'area' to lower body movements relative to the hands, but the implication is that it's less 'consciously' controlled or influenced motor patterns and possibly best driven by intentions focused on 'educated' hands.
  28. I used that technique with my hips. One of the ranges I go to has the setting sun at my back. I watch my hips with my practice swings.
  29. I don't see why BC continues to argue about something he clearly doesn't fully understand. Rory is small in statue, yet is one of the best drivers in golf. Rory obviously has studied and worked to improve with actual data.
  30. My friends and family chose to celebrate July 4th on Sunday July 3. I stayed only for a few hours, went to bed early and played my best round of the year on the holiday solo at Miami Shores GC in Troy. Maybe it was the relatively clean living. Maybe I was just at peace with everything for that particular day, but I was in a comfortable zone and stayed there for the entire round. Not every shot was perfect, but they were all productive. I made some decent putts. I holed a wedge shot from 15-yards for birdie. Mainly I was just really, really calm. The result was an 82. To put that in perspective. That's the lowest score I've ever shot on a course not called the Dales Course (a shorty that measures less than 5,000 yards). I haven't yet come anywhere close to that again.
  31. It's a combination of the golfer and the course he's playing. Obviously, I'm a high-capper. When I'm playing for score on most courses I look to avoid big numbers. Bogey is my par. Par is my birdie and I shouldn't be throwing a tantrum over a double. A hole on the home course (Kittyhawk, Hawk No. 12) typically has my second shot at about 165 yards over water. The likelihood my hitting the green there isn't particularly high. I usually whack a seven-iron off to the left and away from the water and try to get up and down. That said, we've got a few courses in the area where expectations change. Short, wide-open courses (like Community's Dales course) make me think I ought to get pars more often than not and have a stab at a birdie or two. While there is a lot of things that the City of Dayton courses leave to be desired, I really like the fact that I can play a variety of courses that allow me to adjust my approach accordingly.
  32. All I can comment on is the state my own game these days. 1st. I make more pars than anything else. 50%+ 2nd are bogey 1s. 40%+ 3rd are birdies, and bogey 2s+. 5%+/- Those percentages are some what of a guess, since I never actually, tried to figure them out. I always play for par on every hole. If I walk off the green with a bird, that's just gravy for me. If I got a bogey, that's not a bad thing either. When I play serious (for me) golf, I am always looking at the number 80 as a score for the 18 holes.
  33. For a mid to upper 80s player, it's very difficult to keep a double bogey off the card (easy to get one). And it's rare to get a birdie (one every few rounds perhaps). But I don't practice with the end result of my hole scores in mind. I just look at how many opportunities I get, and how successful I am at those opportunities. For putting I'll get nearly 18 decent length initial putts (maybe a tap in or two), plus I'll have a decent share of knee knockers. That's over 20 opportunities. Plus I know I lose several strokes to PGA players on those. For short game I have at most 15 chances. Personally I feel pretty good at those- even without much practice. Plus, to get up and down, I usually need a good putt anyway. So to get a birdie or to scramble, putting is key for me. When I warm up for a round I might practice 15 minutes on putting but only a few chipping.
  34. Drew, just thinking out aloud but isn't a tad bit of head rotation (I think along shoulder plane) a good thing? Not trying to get in your 'head' (see what I did there?.. :-)) or anything but I think if arms hang a bit more naturally at address might help, no? BTW, nice contraption there Tin Cup.. ha ha.
  35. Had probably the best range session I've had in the past few years. Working on turning my left shoulder fully and speeding up the backswing. Really, really solid contact and a great sound coming off my irons. The driver was excellent too. Good balance on the finish as well. Wish I could bottle it today. I'm either going to play 9 tomorrow or hit the range again and try and video the swing.
  36. Good. Get the left hip and shoulder higher - that should help.
  37. 1 point
    Reading this makes me sad. I hope we are reflecting on this in April or May after a pain free round.
  38. 83. Definitely one of my best. Met 3 retirees today, and had a great time. The best part was that I carried over some of the feels from my recent lessons and range work. That's unusual!!! I could actually remember the feel of what I was working on, and it mostly felt comfortable. For the most part, I was advancing the ball somewhere near the green in regulation. I haven't studied the stats yet, but I felt like I was getting the ball up and down a lot! Hit more than my usual number of knee-knocker putts, it seemed (4/5/6 footers). http://www.gamegolf.com/player/randallt/round/1303611
  39. I bet he'll start out strong, but wind up designing about two or three fewer than Jack Nicklaus.
  40. First off, I love your hip motion. In the video I watched you really turned those hips nicely. At P6, your hands are behind your turn. Essentially, your hands need to be in front of your right thigh at this point. There is no time for corrections from here. Seeing you out of position here .... "there must be problems somewhere". :) I think your SAT is fine. The things I see are: (1) overswing. Your arms and hands still move alot well after your shoulder turn is all but done. Consider shortening your swing for more consistency and likely just as much power. (2) hips move too much laterally in the DS. (likely because of 3, and 1 too). See the "red pole". If you look at the pole with the red line and your left hip at P1 and P6, you'll see how much hip slide you have. I don't know how many inches your left hip should be ahead at impact vs address ... but you must be over the suggested amount :) (3) overcooked right leg straightening in the BS. (it almost looks straight). The right leg straightens in the BS, as it has to, to get a "deep" hip turn. But ... the "goal" is to try to get it to straighten as little as possible while turning deep. The deeper your hip goes, inevitably the leg must straighten to get it there. But your right leg straightens too much, especially for this shorter iron. I also think this "overly straight" right leg, forces your hips to slide too much laterally on the DS. Early in the DS, your hips are (4) likely need some work on being more "connected" where your arms don't get too behind you in the back swing and your hips don't get too ahead of your body turn on the DS. Next time upload slow mo face on and DTL Driver swings. It is easier to see swing faults with the bigger swing :) Suggestions - shorter swing, less right leg straightening on the BS (try dialing back a bit your hip turn), upload new footage.
  41. Sorry I'm late for the meeting guys...I got here as quick as I could. I realize this is an older thread, but I'd like to provide a little insight which I hope is helpful. One thing to keep in mind is that every swing speed, regardless if it's 70 mph or 120 mph, has a maximum distance. Mathematically the ball can only go so far. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if your swing speed is 85 mph, and you're hitting your drives 220 yds, technically you're maxed out...mathematically that's as far as the ball will go with your swing speed. It's actually closer to 215. It's like having a car with a top speed of 60 mph, and wanting to complete a 75 mile trip in an hour. Its not possible. Now, before anyone tries to blast me because they also have an 85 mph clubhead speed, and they have hit drives over 220 yds so apparently my "theory" is wrong, everybody chill. Remember, I said mathematically there is a certain distance the ball can travel, but in real life there are variables that will affect the results. Meaning with a strong tail wind on a downhill hole with firm turf conditions it's possible to hit it past your maximum, but not under normal conditions. Notice the middle line marked "ideal". This is the perfect numbers for a 98.9 mph swing. Most players have potential to increase distance because there is room for improvement in these categories. In this example, moving to a different ball increased the distance by 7 yards, but there is still room in each area for improvement. For you to increase your distance, you'll have to increase your clubhead speed. It's simply not mathematically possible to hit the ball 230 yards with an 85 mph swing speed. But the e6 is still a good choice.
  42. The Edel website (https://edelgolf.com/pages/classic-fit) lists 5 "aim modifiers" that they have found influence the way you aim the putter. Head color isn't one of them. @iacas can certainly speak to this in more detail, but I think the short version is that, in Edel's view, head color doesn't influence the way you aim, so it is just personal preference. This will be much easier than you think. I had the same concern going into the fitting (although my preference for putter style was a lot less developed than yours). The method for adjusting aim and speed is very objective. It's not just "hit a few putts, and see if you are hitting them online". You set up to a ball, aim at a target, and a laser is used to confirm where you're ACTUALLY aiming. For me, it was a few degrees to the right of where I thought I was aiming. The fitter then uses the five adjustments (hosel, lie angle, head shape, loft and alignment lines) to tweak the putter until you are aiming exactly where you think you are. At the same time, you "work backwards", aiming at the target and then trying to find a combination that appears "square" when aimed correctly. Again, this is confirmed with a laser and is not dependent on perception or your putting stroke. What you end up with is a putter that is objectively better at matching perceived aim to actual aim. For me, that's going to result in an adjustment period (since I'm used to having to "pull" putts a bit to make up for my misalignment), but I can't see how long-term that match won't help my putting. The speed control portion of the fitting was a bit more "feel-based", but you still can try dozens of combinations of weights until you find one that works best. The fitter sort of leaves you on your own for this part (at least mine did), so if you want to take two hours trying different combos of head/shaft weights, you can.
  43. As long as the clubface is open to the path, your ball will fade. So even a path 8° right (which is excessively inside-out) can hit a push-fade or slice. Ask me to show you sometime. Are you making heel contact?
  44. Last season I played with a guy a few different times. First time we were paired up we had quite a wait to reach the first tee during a tournament. He was yakking away and mentioned how he carried his driver about 240 yards. Now... we're both in the same flight (16.0+ handicap) and I'm wondering how, if he's bashing his driver that far, he's not in a lower flight because the tees we played were fairly short and I'd figure a 240 yard carry with roll of another 10 yards or so would give him a wedge into the MAJORITY of the holes on this course. Anyway... we get to the first tee and he has honors. He hits his tee shot and pulls it pretty far left... it kicks out into the fairway off an OB hill (lucky) and rolls out. Barely reached 200 yards. I hit my driver and got a typical shot for me... ended up about 220 after the roll. This guy starts goin' on about how I must carry the ball 260ish. SERIOUSLY delusional. I wasn't using GPS at the time, or I'd have measured it for him to shut him the hell up... but, even using the course yardages... my drives were about 220 yards. EVERY hole I was 15-30 yards beyond him. After the round, he's in the clubhouse telling everybody about this 26.4 handicap (me) who hits the ball 270 yards from the tee. I acutally had to stop him at that point because then I was getting dirty looks. In round two... I got paired with one of the guys who heard about my 270 yard drives and we laughed when he and I both ended up in the same area (about 3 yards apart) off the first tee. I don't know HOW people measure their shots... but there are SO many people who say they hit the ball 250+ and don't even get CLOSE to it. I think in my LIFE, I may have hit two drives that got to about 270 yards... and one was with a generous bounce off the cartpath. Right now, with the better driver, I'm averaging about 225-230... and I'm MORE than happy with that. CY
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