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  1. I played dozens of PGA Tour events in the 60s and 70s-The PGA made sure that PGA club pros and teachers-Though we were not quite the same as modern day instructors or coaches-Could play. The PGA Tour in the early days was like 50 guys who could travel.-The rest of the field was club pros and local players and some rabbits who could not afford to travel but did so anyway. As the years went on and as we got into the mid-70s club pros were down to about 1/4 of the field I think-and by the 80s it was almost entirely touring pros with a few local spots reserved still for guys who would help bring their clubs out to watch and drive up attendance. It is a frikking joke to think that I was anywhere near as strong a competitor-that I could even hold his tee pegs-as someone ranked #400 in the world right now.-No way no how. We did not have a bunch of players from other countries.-We did not have a lot of players from THIS country playing golf back then. If Arnie created a bunch of golfers-Even they took about 20-25 years to begin to make the PGA Tour.-Too late for Jack to have to play against them except in his later years when he did not fare all that well. The Web.com Tour probably has 100 golfers who are all better than numbers 40+ on the PGA Tour in 1970.-I do not have a doubt about that. And Tiger is battling better equipment which makes it easier for a B+ player to compete with an A+ player. Sure I could beat Jack on any given day, but the odds of anyone in my level winning a tournament-beating Jack over 4 days-NIL. We never did. We hoped to have a good 2 or 4 days and maybe cash a small check and get to play a round or 2 with some of the better players who could afford to tour and whatnot.-It was our day in the sun. We were not actual competition. Hell, and shucks-I watch some of the NCAA tournament every year and there are a number of college kids who are better than the majority of the fields in the first half of the Nicklaus years-60s.
  2. My new clubs finally got delivered today I got fitted with the 130 gram KBS C-Taper X-Stiff golf shaft, 1 degree upright. I found the C-Taper produce the most consistent ball flight for me. It produced a more penetrating ball flight, and took a bit of my miss to the left. Z 965 (PW to 7-iron) Z 765 (6-iron to 4-iron) In the Bag
  3. Dog, listen --- most of the people in this thread think TIger is better than Jack. Welcome to public discourse, where sometimes there is a critical consensus on a specific idea, and you're left out. (Like my opinion that the majors are more arbitrary in nature than people like to admit!) Nobody is going to pour boiling oil on you for disagreeing about Tiger and Jack. Nobody thinks about you or your opinions that much, if at all. You are upset because your arguments don't hold weight here, and frankly, the reason they don't hold weight is because you've provided weaker supporting evidence for Jack than others have for Tiger. The point about the WGCs is simple; it's the best fields in the world, comprised of only the best players, and therefore give Tiger some extra ammo. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison, because, as you correctly pointed out, the WGCs weren't around when Jack was playing. But that doesn't mean that the point doesn't stand; a Bridgestone Invitational carries more weight than, say, Seattle Open Invitational, because of strength of field. Nobody is coming at you, GS. Seriously. We're all having a conversation.
  4. Tiger played muscleback irons and a small steel driver.-So yes those clubs were closer to what they played in 1997 than what they are playing in 2018. His irons are almost the same now.-Still just musclebacks. Those do not change over the years much. But drivers and irons for the other players and hybrids are further apart now from 1997 than from 1963 to 1997.
  5. I'm a software/web consultant. I like looking through the server logs mid-day to see who's browsing the main site (we don't keep statistics on forum usage). It's always a bunch of people using their work office as their ISP, and as such, the name of their employer pops up. State Farm employs a lot of golfers. So too does the US DOJ.
  6. Thank you Phil - there is nothing like hearing it from one who was there. Yes he does. I like to look at the stretch of a player's career from when he won his first major to his last. In Hagen's case, he won his 11th major in the 29th major he played in after winning his first, so he won 11 out of 30, which is amazing. One of the things that is remarkable is that in all of this golf history, a tournament whose field contains substantially all of the best players in the world is a pretty recent thing. If I had access to enough historical information it would be fascinating to try to figure out what was the first one. Heck, it would be interesting to figure out what decade it first happened in. My initial off the top of the head guess would be the 80s.
  7. I think it’s fair to think Tiger, Phil, Spieth, and Rose could all be in the mix come Sunday (and Freddie up until the back nine on Saturday) and my guess would be one of those four wins it. Assuming he can avoid the flagstick on 15 this time, I don’t see any reason Tiger can’t win it.
  8. I went with the field and top 10. I think he will play well. I like his chances better than any one individual but I think he’ll come close but someone else will get hot and win. Should be fun though. And I’m excited for my first time I’ll get the opportunity to attend on sat. I hope he’s in contention.
  9. Not unless he changed his mind when I wasn't looking. Here's an article from 1973 I cited in a post I wrote several years ago, and which Turtleback quoted a few days ago, about how Jack's criteria for GOAT changed over the years. The link in that post no longer works, but this one does: https://www.si.com/vault/1973/08/20/615242/jack-goes-one-up-on-a-legend "These are the words Jack Nicklaus privately left to history: "Book the hunt." Put them in there with all those giant steps for mankind and praise the Lord and pass the song charts and the Gettysburg recital and all that stuff. All those memorable sayings that squirm their way into we the people of the country clubs, in order to form a more perfect player. Jack got old No. 14 last week at Canterbury and officially became the greatest golfer who ever lived or died, and now we have to deal with it in terms of history. " Yup, forget Hogan or Jones, Jack is up there with Abe Lincoln.
  10. Here is the Jenkins article about 1976 World Series of Golf. https://www.si.com/vault/1976/09/13/619308/jack-hits-another-jackpot "The only other question last week was what had Nicklaus won? As the week began, no one around Firestone knew exactly what to think of this "new" World Series. With only 20 players in the field—good as they were—the tournament had the atmosphere of an exhibition, and the sparse crowds on Thursday and Friday contributed to this feeling. The old World Series was certainly an exhibition of sorts, a weekend affair of only 36 holes, limited to four competitors—the winners of the year's major championships—and it generally wound up being televised against several dozen college and pro football games. First place was worth $50,000 and wasn't included in official earnings. In short, it was a dog." "Commissioner Deane Beman's grand plan was to add a snappy season-ender to the PGA tour, not a fifth, sixth or eighth major championship, as he kept putting it, but a special event that would—ahem—"transcend" the Masters and the U.S. Open and the British Open and the National PGA. He got Firestone to host it and help bankroll it, along with the PGA of America, which is that society of club pros who won't give you a discount on your new Hogan irons." "Beman labored over a format that would assure the best field possible. Guys qualified by winning one of the four major championships or by winning more than once on the regular tour or by accumulating enough points in a series of events falling into categories christened by Beman as the Winter, Spring and Summer Tours. As far as the World Series was concerned, the 1976 tour ended two weeks ago, and the 1977 Winter Tour begins this week in Pinehurst. Except for one thing. Official money earnings for 1976 continue through the calendar year. Clear? Certainly. The golf tour was either over or not over in Akron."
  11. I think a case can be made that the Northern Trust, AKA the first FedEx playoff event, has no worse than the fifth strongest field in golf --- behind the PGA, US and British Opens, and Players, and ahead of the Masters and WGCs. Players get into the majors, WGCs, Players, etc. based on their world ranking (which goes back two years), wins in big events over the last five years, money list from last year, etc. But a player's form can change drastically in a year, let alone five years -- just ask Rory or Jordan. The FedEx playoffs take the top players on the PGA tour from THIS year. To get in, you either won, or played well consistently, in the very recent past. Even using the world ranking points, it is statistically as strong as the WGCs, which means that in reality it is much stronger, since it has some 50 more players in the field than a WGC (the world rankings vastly overrate small field events). The only question is whether the absence of the handful of really good international players who don't play on the PGA tour makes it weaker than the majors. It's very hard to know, because the majors (except the Masters) have larger fields, but they all (including the Masters) have amateurs, seniors, club pros, and affirmative action players in the field who have no chance to win. And it would take a lot of work to separate out the players with high world rankings who are having a bad year. But in the FedEx, there are no amateurs, no legacy champs, no club pros, no exemptions, no special invitations, and nobody having a bad year. One thing I'm very confident about, though, is it would blow away the field strength of any major played before 1975.
  12. Don't feed the trolls - that comment was a clear attempt to simply generate a response. Pathetic
  13. You really just can't help yourself, can you. What are you, about 10?
  14. Note also that Jack received $100,000 in official money for beating 19 other players in the NEC, in a year when Johnny Miller received just $13,500 in unofficial money for winning the British Open. Jack had only one other win that year, but the windfall from the 20-man NEC gave him the money title over Miller and two other players who all won three events that year, which in turn put Jack over the top for an IMO undeserved Player of the Year award. I wonder how many heads would explode if Tiger had an otherwise unremarkable year, but won the money title and POY because the Hero Challenge paid 10 million in official money? Or if the Hero Challenge was considered an official event, giving Tiger five more wins to eclipse Sam Snead's record for total victories?
  15. Maybe he's talking about the Western Open, where Tiger had his worst finish of the year, at T23. Or the Nissan, where he was T18. Or maybe even the Buick, where he was T11. Incredibly, he was in the top 5 in his other 17 events, including his 9 wins.
  16. I can see a little room for abuse in the new dropping procedure. Before, as long as you dropped the ball inside a specific area, it could roll 2 clublengths, even if it ended up outside the initial acceptable drop area. It wasn't always possible to find a place where the ball would roll forward, or roll too far, in order to be able to place the ball. With the new rule, you can drop it at the edge of the relief area, and if it rolls outside the relief area twice, you place it. The distance from the impact point inside the relief area to where the ball ends up can be pretty small, and still require a re-drop and then placing the ball. I can see players dropping at the "downhill" edge of the relief area, and ending up placing the ball more often than was previously possible. On one hand, the new procedures keep the ball closer to "the spot", it can't roll an extra 7 feet away. On the other, the players may be able to place it more often.
  17. This is OT, but foot position is not a fundamental of the golf swing. If it was, you wouldn't have so many different positions being used by high level golfers. Certain things you do with your feet (and knees) affect other things, but there's no absolute rule in terms of how you must position them.
  18. Fred battled back injuries and troubles his whole career. John Daly battled himself.
  19. The 2 balls I prefer are Callaway Chrome Soft and Srixon Q-Star Tour. Here's something interesting: Just played a few rounds in FL last week. I went back and forth playing the Chrome Soft and Q-Star balls every 4 holes or so. Hit a shot into a hazard, (those oversized grass planted areas) lost my ball but came out of the junk with a Pro V1 X ball. Took my penalty, dropped the near-new Pro V1 and finished the hole. The next tee ball I hit with the ProV1 X I could feel the difference in overall ball hardness. There was a noticeable slowing of my driver club head when the Pro V1 was struck. My swing speed is definitely south of 90mph and I could feel a noticeable difference in the exit speed off my driver between the Pro V1 and the other 2 balls. I really like both Chrome Soft and Srixon Q-Star Tour balls. They seem to match up well with my slower swing speed. They spin as well as any quality ball with irons and wedges and hold greens nicely. They also putt softly which I like, too.
  20. Foxy's Golf Center in Canton, Ohio. They've been a local golf store in the Stark/Summit county area for over 40 years. http://foxygolfinc.com/
  21. I noticed this a while ago. It used to be easier to see all of them in a ranking but now you have to go the player profile.
  22. Before I even begin, I played the course one time and so my review should be taken with a bag full of salt grains. Courses should not really be reviewed after only one round. That said… here's my review of Streamsong Blue, a Tom Doak course at Streamsong Resort in the BFE, Florida. First, I say "Doak" because he's the guy credited, but some of the holes are almost a Coore/Crenshaw design, as the trio worked together to route 36 holes around the property. Some of Doak's designs form the backbone of a C&C hole, and vice versa. In fact, the "Red" and "Blue" names come from the color of the pens used to mark up the holes in the planning stages. Anyway… the Doak "Blue" routes around the inside, while the Red routes around the outside of the same property (the Black course is a mile away or so). @kpaulhus (he's played it a few times) and I played the Red course on January 15, the first day the rates went up , with a caddie shared between us. We were in a twosome, following several foursomes, so we had plenty of time to hit some extra putts or chips and to take in the landscape and surrounds. If you're interested, listen here: http://www.friedegg.co/podcasts/streamsong (some/most photos videos are from that page). Hole by hole: Warmup The practice facilities are not world class, but this is a resort: you're not here to practice. They're perfectly adequate. The practice green is relatively large and located behind the clubhouse, right near where the caddies congregate and near the first tees for both courses. It's got a reasonable amount of slope throughout it. No holes are cut into it - you putt to those sticks with a base that's about 2" wide - wide enough that if you hit it, your putt would have likely gone in with the right speed. The short game area is beside the 18th green on the Red, and we didn't spend much time there at all. Just drove by it. It looked adequate, with flagsticks and holes, and a bunker nearby, and some balls sitting out for use. The range is double-ended. We hit from the lower station. The balls were available, the lies were thin, and the range was wide open with a few flags stuck at various distances. There were no greens or other types of targets - just flags stuck in the ground in a field, essentially. Like I said, perfectly adequate, but not a world class practice facility (nor should it be.) When it's time to go, your caddie introduces himself if he hasn't already, and you make the short walk toward the #1 tee. Well, the base of the #1 tee, anyway… (oh, and the yardages are from the one-from-the-back tees, the Black tees, at 6698 yards, and a rating/slope of 71.8/130, which the scorecard mislabels (?) 72.0/127). #1 - Par 4, 330 yards I say the base because you walk up a massive hill/dune to the first tee. You leave your clubs at the bottom, and walk uphill a good 60 feet. This gives you a great view of the first hole and, on the rare day when you catch a downwind breeze, a chance to drive the green. The first is a 330-yard par four. I kinda like a "soft opening," and this hole provides one. It seems to me to be a strategic hole, and the proper angle is to the left, but left is where a bit more trouble lies. The bail-out area to the right leaves a mostly blind approach shot that plays over the corner of a bunker and, if you pull the shot at all, filters down into another bunker short-left of the green. As I found out. The approach shot isn't long, but the green is, like most at Blue, moderately contoured - you'll never have an "easy" long putt, but they're not ridiculous either. A good solid opening hole, that appears to be an easier hole than you'll come to discover it is. #2 - Par 5, 530 yards I played this hole poorly, so that makes it tougher to judge it. My one look, which isn't enough to say much, was from the wrong places entirely. There's a lot of room left and I didn't use it. The challenge, depending on the wind, is skirting the right bunker enough to shorten the hole, without much risk of going in. From there, the green can sometimes be reached in two. From left, you're probably laying up, and because of two front bunkers, the actual angle you choose to lay up to may not matter all that much - you'll have a short club in and just about any angle is about as good as any other. I might have liked to see the front right bunker removed to provide an incentive to approach from that angle, and to remove the requirement that the approach be aerial (a departure from the norm at Blue). That said, maybe Doak wanted a little variety there. #3 - Par 4, 370 yards The third is a cape-style, uphill hole that doesn't really seem to reward challenging the cape. It's bit confusing in that sense. Sure, you can shave 20 yards by hugging the left side as opposed to bailing out well right, but the shot is still a wedge from the right-hand side of the fairway (assuming no wind), and there are no bunkers right like there are left. I feel like this hole would benefit from flipping the green around so that the bunkers were right, favoring an approach from the left, bringing the incline/water more into play. There's a slope right of the green, but you shouldn't have a long club in here, and the bunkers left will stop a pull from finding the water. Not the strongest hole, and confusing from a strategy standpoint. It's pretty, though? #4 - Par 4, 417 yards This hole plays a lot more uphill than the prior so the yardage is a bit more than it says, particularly for your second shot. It also feels like a bigger dogleg than it looks aerially. That's mostly a function of staring straight ahead at some big washout bunkers that fade into scrub territory left, and playing safely out to the right. The second shot is one of the more dramatic on the property, rising uphill and having to cover some very steep, fall-away style bunkers both well short/right and the dastardly ones left of the green, which fall away to about 6-10' below the surface of the green. This is a strong hole, and one I enjoyed playing. There's a risk-reward of playing up the left-hand side, as you get a better look at the green and simply have to concern yourself with carrying the deep bunker, not avoiding a pull into it, though from any angle a right bail-out is available. I used the right bail-out (the wind was into and left to right, and I couldn't start the ball left enough with the bunker there) and managed to make par. As you can see below, there's just fairway cut grass all around 3/4 of the green. The green slopes front right to back left, so shots that find the green will funnel toward the hole, but shots missed right face a downhill putt or chip, so the bailout doesn't leave the easiest shot. #5 - Par 3, 121 yards A strong par three with one of the most interesting greens on the course, by far: it's about 75 yards long (consider that the hole can play 95 to 155 yards from the same tee, easily) and only about 15 yards wide, on average, down the axis of the green. You play from a slight angle to this, putting a premium on either shot shape or distance control. This hole played directly into the wind, and the dimensions of the green weren't apparent until we got there. I thought I'd controlled the distance of my flighted punch shot pretty well, only to get up to the green and find a 45-foot putt awaiting me, up a gentle but tall tier. One of the most interesting par threes I've played, with a bunch of options depending on the wind direction and speed, the tee location, the hole location, etc. Tremendous. P.S. There are two teeing grounds on the hole, but I can't speak to them both. Apparently one teeing ground plays more down the length of the green, and the other is about 90° to the side playing more to the width of the green. Somewhat like a par three at Tobacco Road. #6 - Par 4, 317 yards One of the best holes, in a stretch from 4-7 of great holes, at the Blue. You drive over a ridge in the fairway that renders the green blind from the tee. A single small bunker about 230 yards off the tee provides an aiming point (though I wish my caddie had not said "aim right of that, and if you want to bail out, aim at it, because I did exactly as he said and caught the last bunker on the right, with a 40-yard bunker shot to the green. ). If you hit an iron off the tee, your best bet is to lay up just short of the bunker, or if you hit a driver, to just aim at it - the ground slopes from that bunker down toward the green, which is a rare front-to-back slope that beguiles a lot of people and makes for a delicate wedge shot if you lay up or come up just short with a driver. This is perhaps the easiest hole on the Blue, as both @kpaulhus and I made relatively easy pars. Well, he should have, anyway, and my birdie putt (I chunked the bunker shot out and let the slope trickle it onto the green) came up just short, and one of the better looking tee shots on the course as well. I can imagine the wind playing a huge role in the decision-making better players face on the tee here. In the image to the right, behind the sixth green, you can see the first tee on the mound, and to the left of the sixth green, the edge of the 7th tee. #7 - Par 3, 188 yards Here are two looks at the seventh, which when we played was into a pretty good left-to-right wind. The seventh is one of the more photographed holes. Understandably so. The green site has to be one of those "natural green sites" architects will talk about. There's a sort of 2-1/2-sided bowl fronted by water. The green has a rather large tier going diagonally down the middle, front-right to back-left, that divides the green into two halves, neither of which is very large. A lot of shots will end up left, but if the pin is right, your best bet may be to actually miss the green right… except that there is not much room right, and you're hitting anything from a 7-iron to a hybrid into this bad boy depending on the wind. The green is a fairly typical size: 35 yards front-to-back, and about 20 yards wide, that in this exposed area and with the tier, plays much smaller. Honestly, a bit too small in my opinion. I understand that, if there wasn't much dirt moved here, this is the size of the green you could fit there, but it's perhaps a bit more difficult than it should be. There's very little strategy (not that par threes are known for their strategy) - just hit the green and try to two-putt. An edited photo, and then mine from the day we played: #8 - Par 4, 437 yards After walking back across the bridge from the 7th, you walk back up the dune 50 or 60 feet up to get to the eighth tee, a longer par four playing into a left-to-right wind again (the day we played). I like the eighth hole, though it's not included in some other people's favorites. This hole played almost directly into the wind, and as such, was long the day we played it. I didn't catch all of my tee shot and still had a 3-iron to the green, which plays uphill. It caught the left bunker greenside and I chunked it out (see my notes at the bottom; I'm not a fan of the bunkers here) to miss the 15-footer for par. Still, given the conditions, I felt I played the hole well. A small bunker divides the fairway into a left 1/3 and a right 2/3. The left 1/3 takes off yardage and has you playing your approach up the length of the green, while the right 2/3 is obviously easier to hit and opens up a bit of an angle to the green between two front bunkers. The second shot is a challenging, thrilling second shot, too, with the uphill slope enhancing the do-or-die nature of the carry over the front bunker and the severe slopes into the water and junk to the front and left of the green. You have to hit a pretty poor shot to find the water, but it serves to visually distract and add to the sense of accomplishment when you carry it and find the green. #9 - Par 5, 541 yards The mostly blind landing area of the ninth fairway is about 200 yards wide… literally. It shares the fairway for a bit with the par-4 11th, and the only place you can't miss it is right, but three fairway bunkers along the right side tell you that pretty plainly. There's a bit of strategy in challenging those bunkers, though, as the angle for your second shot is made easier by coming from the right side than the left; from the left, a trio of little bunkers about 115 yards short of the center of the green visually distract - upon a second or third trip around the course, they wouldn't even be a factor, as even a mid-iron should easily clear the bunkers. The visual distraction they offer, though, prompted me to push my third a bit too far to the right, where I was fortunate to stay just on the edge of the grass. This par five is well guarded so even if it's not a three-shot hole from the yardage, and even if LSW tells you to get as close as possible, this is one of the rare times you might be better off laying up 30 yards short than actually going for the center of the green if you have the distance to reach it. The bunkers are also visually distracting in the sense that the best angle to approach the green is from the right side of the fairway. Sometimes things aren't risk-reward… Below, the bunkers on the ninth (playing from well off screen left), with the par-3 tenth above it, as well as the little taco stand in the very top right corner of the photo. #10 - Par 3, 161 yards A solid par three. Honestly, I was distracted by the tacos, my Snickers, and my Coke, so I didn't play this hole particularly well, or pay a lot of attention. So, rather than make some stuff up, I'll simply point out that the bunkers have too much sand, and move on. #11 - Par 4, 454 yards @kpaulhus and I swapped drivers on this hole, as he was saying he couldn't hit his high enough… So I outdrove him by a few yards with a little pull down the left-hand side. The tee shot really has one bunker that you have to worry about in the middle of the fairway, but if you're playing the proper tees, you should carry it fairly easily. The bunkers you actually have to worry about are the left ones, but given that the green has no big overall slope and no greenside bunkers - I believe this is the only hole on the Blue where that's true - the angle likely doesn't matter too much. I will use this hole as an example of one of the things I didn't like about the golf course setup. I expected, given the look and nature and the things I've read, to be able to play a ground game. Doak's courses, I believe I've read, allow for a ground game, even encourage it. This isn't the case at Streamsong Blue. Despite no recent rainstorms, the greens were moderately firm (so balls would roll out a little), but the fairways and approaches were entirely too soft. I punched a 2/3 4-iron from 180 that hit a few yards short of the front of this green and the ball barely trickled five yards onto the green, leaving about a 70-footer to a back hole. Disappointing. I wanted to play a ground game, and instead had to play an all-too-aerial game at Streamsong Blue. The green falls away to the back, but as you're likely hitting a long iron or hybrid into the green, most won't ever have to deal with that. #12 - Par 4, 390 yards The fairway here is abundantly wide, though it appears significantly narrower than the 9th or the 11th. Large bunkers or collections of bunkers right and left frame and pinch the fairway slightly. The approach crosses a narrow inlet of water, a bunker that's about ten or fifteen yards short of the green, and finds a triangular green surrounded closely by three bunkers, with a fourth just off the back left a few yards. If you can - and you should - find the fairway, the daunting approach can trip up those who don't judge the wind or who simply aren't striking the ball well that day. The green is not only a bit narrower and longer than most, but features a left-to-right ridge, creating two shelves in the front and back. The greens, again, aren't quite firm enough to skip a ball back to the back pin, so that makes finding the back tier a tricky proposition. Most will be putting from the front level, which is great if the pin is there - the tier serves as a nice backstop. #13 - Par 4, 293 yards Another, depending on the wind, drivable par four. But, good luck, as there's not much room up there. Were I to play the hole every day, I'd hit a hybrid or long iron to the spot in the image below, and then play a simple pitch up the length of the green. On a rare downwind day, I'd likely hit a 3-wood and try to aim it at the right fringe. A pull would yield a tough bunker shot (albeit almost greenside and for your approach shot), and a push should have a little room. As it is, on this day, Kyle and I both succumbed to the short-right bunkers, and had some 50-yard bunker shots to the green. I managed a par, and Kyle… did not. I love short par fours, and this is no exception. The hole will yield a birdie as readily as any hole on the course, but it requires two well played shots, despite the sub-300 yard distance. The front left bunker is deep and not one to be messed with, but the fairway slopes left so a lot of approach shots, short as they are, must negotiate that bunker, particularly if the hole is cut up front. And don't overlook the views from the tee, not only of the hole ahead of you, but all around you. It's not the elevated tee of the first hole, or even some of the other holes, but the landscape is revealed in a nice way to you from the 13th tee. #14 - Par 5, 510 yards Playing uphill and across a large lake/pond with bunkers increasing the carry distance on the far shore, the 14th plays about 50 yards longer than the stated yardage. The tee shot looks about three times more difficult than it is, as there is plenty of room left. The better tee shots are played up the right-hand side, though, so carrying the bunkers at about 250 yards off the tee is ideal, so long as you don't miss too far right. At least, that's what you think playing the hole for the first time. Looking at the aerial photos, even a tee shot that finds the right-center of the fairway (below) still has a bunch of "stuff" to carry (this shot is 233 yards) on the uphill approach. Only a shot that finds the extreme right edge of the fairway has a partially clean look at the green, and since you're coming into an uphill green with a long iron or even a fairway metal, the obvious bail-out is to the right. Things aren't that simple, though, as a little bunker ten yards off the green prompts players to stay short of it. And, this fairway is huge… it's shared with the parallel 15th. There's a LOT of room left. But, venture too far left and your second shot is not fun. Just hit it up the left-center. This shot is one of the more interesting ones, to me, on the course, and combined with the tee shot, makes this hole one of the more interesting ones. Strategy and decision-making are tested for each of the first two shots, and likely vary considerably given how you're playing and the wind and conditions that day. How far right do you take the tee shot? How far left do you take the second shot? Can you fly it 220 uphill and stop it on the green? If you lay up to the right, can you control the distance to get past the "stuff" short but stop before your ball finds the little right bunker? So, despite the relatively short yardage, the uphill slant and the defenses the hole present make this a three-shot hole, albeit with a short pitch for the third for better players. I'd call it a half-par hole (4.5), but it's probably a bit tougher than that, particularly to first-timers. #15 - Par 4, 398 yards Playing parallel and slightly back downhill from near the 14th green, the 15th presents a pair of spectacle bunkers at which you can aim… and about 150 yards of fairway to the left of them for complete chickens (or people named Kyle) to find. (He would chip in from well off the green for birdie, so good for him.) The green is open in front and yet another example of a green onto which I would have loved to run a shot, particularly given the wind, but it wasn't to be, so I had to fly it there. The hole is not overly difficult, and it lacks strategy or thrill, but it's a solid par four that fits the landscape and doesn't stand out as "bad" in any way. #16 - Par 3, 215 yards This hole, meh. It feels like a perfectly adequate way to get from #15 to #17, and that's about it. It's a longer hole, plays uphill, with a bunker right and a slope off the green to the left. The best play may be to leave your ball just short and left, for an easy chip or putt. Moving on… #17 - Par 5, 573 yards Said to mimic the fourth at Bethpage Black (or a mirror image of it), the standout feature on this hole is the set of cross bunkers that affect your second shot. At 573 yards, and with the hole playing overall relatively level, but finishing on an upslope after driving down into a small valley, the hole asks a lot of both the tee shot and the second. Better players will want to hit a driver up the left-hand side, at what is almost an aiming bunker, to avoid the massive bunker to the right in the driving area. With their second they'll want to get over the cross bunkers (which are a farther carry to the right, where the green is), as laying up short of the bunkers leaves about 180 yards for your third - quite a ways for your approach to a par five. The green is relatively flat, open, and inviting, even short of the green, but many players will still have a 30+ footer for birdie, so good lag putting will get you out of here with a par. #18 - Par 4, 453 yards A great finishing hole - brutish, without being penal, the hole just asks you to hit two very good shots. The tee shot has to go left of a little bunker down the right-hand side, pretty much aimed toward a dune about 285 off the tee at the left edge of the fairway. It's a slightly uphill tee shot, so from there, it's a slightly downhill approach shot to a relatively unguarded green, with water and crap to the right. The clubhouse sits peacefully in the background, and can offer aiming points depending on where your tee shot wound up. It's a solid hole, but I have a slight nit-pick about the severity of a tier running along the left third of the green, as getting up and down from just left of the green is nearly impossible to some hole locations. I said it's a nit-pick, because people will bail out left, and punishing those who bail out is perfectly fair, too. On further playings, the better bail-out is short of the green, I think. My quick likes: The course is as dramatic, as beautiful, as interesting as it is touted to be. The scenery and landscape, though you could describe it as "bleak" with its brownish greens and sandy waste and brown scrubby brush, is at the same time foreign, authentic, rustic, ancient, and friendly. And more. The course makes you think, and I suspect plays quite differently depending on the wind. I've got no doubt you could play this course every day and not tire of the experience for a long, long time. The replayability is through the roof. The property, the space, the feel is grand, and yet intimate. Though you'll find yourself 150 yards away from some of your friends off the tee, the green sites are intimate, and the course is easily walked, with the next tee often 25 yards or so from the green. This means that the group ahead of you will often see you chipping in, three putting, or holing a long bomb from the wrong tier. Grantd, but intimate. My quick dislikes: The course requires, for my tastes, just a wee bit too much local knowledge. There are enough blind shots where, even upon following the advice of the caddie, I found myself in or near trouble (like on the sixth hole). There are times where width appears much wider than it is, or bunkers are not quite the distances they appear, and that can affect your decision-making, too. After six to eight rounds I think you'd have a good amount of the local knowledge, but with one round even with a good caddie, I think you're punished just a little too much - just a little - for not having that local knowledge. Two or three of the holes were meh, particularly two of the par threes. Maybe their charms would reveal themselves to me over multiple playings. The bunker sand was like beach sand: 6" deep and easily shifting. I'm almost reluctant to list this one, because bunkers should be hazards, but this is almost going a bit too far. I'd prefer unraked but firm bunkers. That would still make bunkers a challenge (think Kiawah Island Ocean Course). These felt like unkempt bunkers where they'd just dumped in way too much sand and hadn't done anything to compact it. Even raking it was bigger chore. You had to just play a chunk/run type shot; if you wanted any spin you almost had to a) get lucky with a clean lie and not a slightly plugged one, and b) pick the ball almost clean. For a resort? Meh. The practice green speed was about three feet slower than the on-course speeds. That's a pity, as it took five holes to get used to the green speeds, and neither @kpaulhus nor I putted particularly well on the first five holes. I can understand a little difference, particularly if one green was just aerated or something, but there was no apparent reason why the practice green should be significantly slower than the greens on the course. The fairway approach areas were soft, and the greens, though not rock-hard, were medium firm. This is my greatest dislike: I expected to be able to play the ground game, but couldn't. Balls would die out and almost all their speed would be scrubbed before the ball trundled onto the green. It was very disappointing to see what I was seeing, understand what I think I understand about Tom Doak's work, and have to play an almost typical American-style "fly it to the hole" type of golf. It made using the slopes on the greens less fun and effective, and rendered the slopes and contours fronting the greens completely irrelevant, as balls couldn't be counted upon to not plug. And no, there was no rain storm or any unusual weather before we played - the ground should have been reasonably firm. Perhaps there's just too much sand beneath it? (Though there's obviously plenty of sand beneath links courses in Scotland, and those are firm as firm gets.) Oh, and last thing… don't think that because my likes list appears shorter, that I disliked the course. I give it and 8/10. After obtaining more local knowledge, I could see it going to 8.5 or 9 out of 10. Also, beware what I said of giving too much weight to a review from a guy who has played the course one time, as I did.
  23. https://www.pgatour.com/players/player.08793.tiger-woods.html $783,485 right on the first page of his profile. Yeah? You want to know how much they earn per event?
  24. I don't agree either. His back foot doesn't need to be anywhere near square. He might be able to turn it in a little bit, but I wouldn't do it much. Square feet encourage swaying. Also, @Marty2019 in particular, don't just accept drawings in a book as the truth. And @Lihu, there are a lot of great players who feel that it's like a "pulling" action. TGM talks about pushing vs. pulling. Hitters vs. Swingers. Whatever the case, "pulling" is a completely legitimate feeling. @JonMA1, I don't think the stuff you hid is the sub-topic, I think it's THE topic. What good is practice at all if it doesn't transfer? If you really can't make the same swings on the course as you can in your practice setup, then in my experience either: You've not really cemented anything, ever. How long do you focus on ingraining any one thing? Do you jump from priority to priority frequently? It's normal, for example, for golfers to be able to do something in practice when they're focusing solely on doing that thing, and slide back quite a ways to their "typical" swing on the golf course when they have to consider other things, but the longer they stay with that priority thing the less the back sliding is, until it's virtually none. That takes time. If you're on to a new thing after two weeks, or even sometimes two months, then you're going to slide right back to it. An invalid or incorrect on the course, wherein you can't transfer what you're working on to the course. For example if you're working on pushing your hips forward on the downswing to finish with your weight forward, once you've chosen your club, aim, etc., that has to be the sole swing thought, the sole feeling. Control the process. Make practice swing (i.e. a swing like you make in practice) that just happens to take place on the golf course. Commit to it at all costs - you'll hit some weird shots, but you'll also see glimpses of the good, and EVERY swing should finish on your front foot in that case, or you've not done it properly. (The alternative is, particularly early on in the process, to just play golf and don't worry about your swing "piece", but to begin worrying about it when it is somewhat repeatable at > 50% speed or so in practice.) I think you are mostly guilty of the former, and as such, you never get to the point where you can take that one piece to the course. I only skim your posts because I've gotten the sense that you get agitated sometimes when people try to help (which is really a frustration with yourself), but from a 2000 foot away view it looks like you do change things up pretty frequently. Yes, you might have 11 things wrong, or 7, or 17, or 5 things wrong with your golf swing. But your process should likely be the same as everyone else's - work on your one priority piece until it's "locked in." Until you do it without really thinking about it. Until you reach unconscious competence. (You take it to the course with a swing thought, rehearsals, etc. between steps 3 and 4.)
  25. Agree with Marty. I’d also add that the Swing is not really a pulling feeling. It’s more of a throwing action. Your previous thoughts were more correct? You look really tense too! If you can think of it as a throwing action with your hands past your rear thigh or something that might help you from looking and possibly feeling really tense? Not relaxed, but like your body and arms are really loose at the lead arm shoulders and throwing with your trail arm at the right time to max your speed? As if you are throwing a 50 pound bag of cement or something?
  26. At the end of last year I was trending down. I got the I200's for Christmas and played 3x's on one trip outside. I have played many times inside on a simulator. Going from Callaway Apex CF16's I think I have better distance control. With the CF16's a good strike went considerably further than a marginal one. I have Arccos and I think I was playing the long distance. My home courses are brutal if you are past the pin. With the Pings I am not getting the deep shots and the spread is less. I think it is going to help my game BUT, I can enhance or destroy my game to a greater degree than the clubs ever will.
  27. Just looking at that picture, I would say you need to start with one important thing, and that is, turn both feet to the left. Your right foot is pointed too far back. Turn it more square. Your left foot is also turned too far to the right. Turn it more toward the target. Do like Ben Hogan- right foot square, left foot turned out 22 degrees. Making this change will shorten your back swing and improve your consistency. You don't need a big back swing. Just look at Jon Rahm. Do it! You have a lot of good elements to build on there. Your swing is a lot better than some of the guys I play with.
  28. In the last month or so all the little Tigers of the golf world have gotten me from rooting hard for a great second chapter to Tiger's career, to now, where I think I'd rather see his minions hearts broken then see him win. That's sad to say, because it would be such a great story. But the little Tigers just continuously suck the air out of a room. This weeks field is incredibly weak, though, and Tiger (who has done and said nothing but the right things since coming back) should be a prime contender. I'm hoping though, someone like "big hat, no cattle" Rickie Fowler can pull off a rare clutch performance, and steal one here. This would give me another week to enjoy watching and reading the Little Tigers squirm and lament the bad luck and misfortune which caused a rightful victory to elude their Chosen One. Not to mention their reaction to a failed Masters bid, or even better, a missed cut there. That would be epic, along the lines of a natural disaster! LOL
  29. Down/more/little more. While I really like the irons I'm not going to say it's the reason my handicap went down. I like the look at address, loft/yardage gapping, durability, ability to get the swing weight I want, generous amount of bounce and forgiveness on mis hits.
  30. love those captain obvious commercials.....yes, can not buy a golf game with clubs, balls, shoes... curious of the people who bought, what happened to their handicap...... need an arrow that flies straight with a sharp tip to kill that deer.......
  31. Probably true. However, I regularly switch between Callaway Apex CF irons/Srixon 595/795 combo irons/Ping i200. I definitely am able to control my flight both trajectory and direction better with the i200’s.
  32. Thank goodness Tiger is entered this week at Bay Hill. The course I live on holds a "Monday After the Masters" one day event every year. Take Tiger out of the mix, and we get a similar field every year.
  33. Look at 19 Hy or 7 wood, or both. Use the 7 wd in the calm, the 19Hy when windy.
  34. Some good watched here. Quite the price range too. Hope this helps you @Berty42 Approach S3 at around $150 - lots of good features X40 at $250 - lots of good feature Samsung S3 at $350 - lots of good feature
  35. Tiger: 73 Tour wins Less: Team events 0 Less: events with less than 20 entrants 0 Total Singles Tour wins with more than 20 entrants: 73 Jack: 73 Tour wins Less: Team events -2* Less: events with less than 20 entrants 0 Total Singles Tour wins with more than 20 entrants 71 * 1970 and 1971 National Team Championship with Arnold Palmer as his partner Sam: 82 Tour wins: Less: Team Events -5** Less: events with less than 20 entrants -5*** Total Singles Tour wins with more than 20 entrants 72 ** 4 Inverness Invitational Four Balls (twice with Jim Ferrier, once with Ralph Guldahl, once with Vic Ghezzi) These also had less that 20 entrants. For 3 of them there were 8 2-man teams and in one there were 6 2-man teams 1 Miami Biltmore International Four Ball w. Ralph Guldahl 16 2-man teams *** 5 Goodall Palm Beach Robin Robin (15 entrants) No one would nowadays dream of including Tiger's 5 wins in the Williams/Chevron/Target Invitational, or his individual and team wins in the World Cup with Mark O'Meara and David Duvall. But back in Sam's day (and to a lesser extent, Jack's) similar events were counted and do count in their win totals. And I am not suggesting that the official count should be any different than it is. But when you look at these adjustments (and then consider that Tiger has far more additional top level international wins than either Jack or Sam) it is hard to argue with the fact that once we level the playing field he is the greatest winner of top level individual golf tournaments of all time.
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