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  1. Be great if you carried your club in a sword sheath.
  2. I had the fortunate chance to hit the Callaway Epic Flash today. I’d say it’s the most forgiving driver I’ve come across. Beautiful feel, beautiful sound. Ball went screaming off the face. I was hitting with a pro as well and he was just crushing it. Heel shots: Actually felt ‘soft’ and not like a piece of plywood. Still pretty straight with an impressively small loss of distance. Toe Shots: Same feeling. Really forgiving on the mis-hits. I’m no club reviewer obviously but wanted to put my thoughts here and show some pics.
  3. Overrated/Underrated #12: Walking while playing golf to help improve scores I'd say underrated. I think there is a difference of a few strokes in favor of walking. It keeps you in a better rhythm, you have more time to let go of the bad stuff that just happened and tend to think better about what's coming up. I feel sad when I see young guys who are healthy zipping around in carts instead of walking, carrying or pushing a cart, as they don't know what they are missing. They are typically not any faster either: I was walking behind such a pair yesterday and caught them up on the tee several times (they never invited me to join them, but that's for another topic!)...
  4. There is a motion called "float loading" where you allow the shaft to continue to load after you start the downswing. The feel is similar to what is shown in the pitching video below, but at the top of the backswing. Essentially, you don't fully hinge the wrist until after you start the downswing.
  5. PGA Tour Clutch Factor – Golf Stat Pro I was excited last week when I jumped in the car to head off to work as Will Haskett had released a new episode of The Perfect Number Podcast. For a data nerd like me that makes for an awesome comm… This says Rory gained 18.35 strokes total over 2016-2018 when leading or within 3 shots of the lead in the final round (18.35 total over 140 holes is 0.131 per hole). 2018: 51 holes, 8.14 total, 0.160/hole. 2017: 24 holes, -0.45 total, -0.019/hole. 2016: 65 holes, 10.67 total, 0.164/hole. He didn't have a great 2017, but 2016 and 2018 weren't bad. If you include ALL players in those three years, Rory ranks 13th of those with 20 or more holes in contention (Ross Fisher leads at 1.033/hole gained… because he has two holes only that meet the criteria. John Merrick is second with 0.497/hole… and also only two holes that meet the criteria.).
  6. Overrated. Sure being fit will help and even doing more golf-specific exercises are great but let's say you put me back to where I was 5 years ago when I was 60 pounds heavier and the only goal was to improve my game and you gave me these two options: 1. 25% fitness focus (including golf-specific exercises) & 75% golf focused (range time, drills, practice at home, short game and putting practice, playing a couple times a week) 2. 75% fitness focus (including golf-specific exercises) & 25% golf focused (range time, drills, practice at home, short game and putting practice, playing a couple times a week) I'm going with the first option. I just think if you want to get better at golf, you need to do golf stuff. No amount of working out is/was going to improve my mechanics as much as putting in the time on the range, doing drills, deliberate rehearsals at home, getting quality instruction and playing on a regular basis. Also look at a lot of the old-school golfers, early 1900's up to late 70's. Yeah I know, Gary Player, Frank Stranahan were big fitness advocates and Nicklaus would jog the golf course and play speed golf but most of those guys didn't lift anything heavier than a glass of whiskey. There might be some special circumstances where someone could have serious mobility issues and addressing that with fitness first could then allow them to perform the motion they are trying to achieve. But they still need the quality instruction/guidance to know what they are trying to do with their body/swing. Someone could get really fit and operate under the idea that they need to (insert golf swing myth) and get worse. There was a period on tour where lifting heavy and getting stronger was popular but it's evolved to more functional training, more focused on stamina, mobility, stability, less heavy weights. That's kind of the cherry on top because those guys are still spending hours hitting a lot of balls, practicing short game, playing, etc. All those guys are going to hit it far even without working out. Not saying working out doesn't help, I'm pro-fitness, but when it comes to improving at golf, there are more important aspects to consider. I know a guy that started doing long drive for fun. Went from swinging in the low 120's to low 140's and made it to the finals last year. The speed bump happened because of his change in mechanics. Fitness wise he stopped lifting heavy and started focusing more on mobility to deal with some injuries he had. Now he's doing MMA-ish type of workout routines that compliment what he's trying to do with his move. If he had just done fitness stuff and didn't change his swing he wouldn't be carrying the ball 380 yards. He also teaches and helps players swing faster/more efficient and fitness isn't part of his instruction.
  7. I'd have to say my Kuerig Machine. Now I can quickly make a cup of coffee and get to the course with more time to warm up. No longer needing to boil water for the French Press I normally use.
  8. "Why can I hit my irons ok but slice my driver off the planet?" OR "Why does my 3 wood go farther than my driver?" These are two common questions we see on The Sand Trap and I wanted to put this thread together to help those golfers that struggle with hitting a driver. It can be a tough club to hit, especially if you are a higher handicap player or a beginner. The club is long and it doesn't have much loft. As I say in the video, the swing is basically the same as any other full swing you make with a few set-up adjustments. If you struggle with hitting a driver there is a very good chance that the path of the club is down and INward (across or left for a righty). So if we know that we can start to answer those two questions above, the reason is that you can "get away" with swinging down and across with some of your irons (mostly short irons) and your 3 or 5 wood (off a tee, off the deck could be a different story). The reason you swing down and INward can be varied but I'm going to go over some common mistakes golfers make. So while these set-up adjustments may not fix that issue 100%, they can certainly help you hit the driver more effectively and allow you to have more fun playing golf. For most golfers I recommend utilizing a positive angle of attack with the driver, especially for those of you that swing less than 100mph. The short and sweet reason is that a positive angle of attack allows you to launch the ball higher with less spin. If you don't know your AoA, I would spend some time on a FlightScope or Trackman unit, the information can be extremely valuable. Quick note, even though I've mentioned high handicappers, this is how I set-up to hit my driver and so do many other good players. I can just make my "normal" swing and ensure that I swing up. @iacas has an excellent thread on this, it's a must read: Address: Ball off or just in front of the lead shoulder Hips bumped a few inches forward to kick in some axis tilt (green line). The axis tilt will help me shallow out the strike and help me swing OUTward longer. I don't want to start bending my elbows apart to encourage the club to swing down and across. Feet are turned out about 25-30 degrees, knees are also rotated out slightly. I recommend this for all full swing shots, not just the driver. Just makes turning the hips, keeping them centered and on a tilted angle, so much easier. I tee it high. As you can see from the pics, the equator of the ball is about even with the top-center or even the highest part of the face of the driver. From DTL I have the butt of the club pointing at my belt buckle or even slightly higher. I wouldn't recommend having the handle pointed below the top of your zipper. If you want to draw it with a positive angle of attack, aim your feet, hips and shoulder a few degrees right. Backswing: As my hips turn freely my lead hip doesn't slide back. This will help me to get my lower center forward on the downswing and swing OUTward. The left pic is a common position for people that struggle with the driver and/or slice it. Hips slide rather than turn and the shoulder turn is limited. Makes it very difficult to get into an effective impact position if you look like this golfer on the left. Impact: On the right my weight and lower center have transferred forward while my head has remained Steady. Kicks in the much needed axis tilt so I can have a shallow to positive angle of attack. On the left, due to poor sequencing on the backswing, my lower center hasn't transferred forward, very little axis tilt. As a result my elbows are pulling apart and the club will swing down and INward, across the ball. Not something you want to do with a club you want to launch up in the air. Important! I am NOT creating the axis tilt by tipping my head back, the axis tilt is created by the lower center being forward (reason the lead hips staying forward is important) and the head remaining Steady. I'm not hanging back in order to swing up, all that does it create problems with contact and path. Handle "rising" on the right. Another indication that the angle of attack is shallow and I'm not "swinging across it". Note how the handle of the club is further away from me, very "bunched up" on the left. As I said earlier, you'll not only see me setting up like this but you'll also see some of the world's best players doing it.
  9. I was just thinking it was a mirror image...
  10. I believe this "laying off" move is the same as "shallowing the club", both done at the transition from backswing to downswing. It's touted by several online instructors. Zach Allen comes to mind but there are others as well. I think it's one of those kind of moves where if you don't have the coordination/skill to do it just perfectly or the inability/desire to practice it for 8 hours/day you can easily overdo it with disastrous results.
  11. Bill inspired me to work on getting my putter heavier. I had one newer SC that had adjustable weights, so I got a heavier grip and made the head heavier. I had an older SC Newport 2.5 with a slotted head that was really light, about 80 grams less than the other SC. I loved that putter because I could aim it well. I finally added some tungsten powder to the shaft and corked it, then got a Super Stroke grip with 50 grams more counter weight. The result was the same weight and swingweight as my other putter. I took it to the course in the fall and it felt perfect.
  12. I too have a hard time with the driver but I read the "How to hit a driver" thread under Swing Thoughts here on TST, it has helped me. Had a really good game using the instructions provided then I went to the range yesterday and I'm pulling them to the left, (I'm a righty). I believe I know what I'm doing wrong but I've asked for comments on the thread. Regards blades vs GI or SGI irons I can only say that I too am a 20+/- golfer. I have tried hitting blades on various demo days over the years, can't hit them, (but then again I suck at this game I love, probably should take up tennis).
  13. ^^^ yes I think the massively accepted criteria of the "Career Slam" meaning each of the 4 majors (not just 4 majors total) pretty much disqualifies the concept of a "Koepka Slam". Though I do agree 4 in a row is more unique than a Career Slam...Perhaps a "Koepka Series" I'd be pretty disappointed if this scenario happens and they bastardize the term SLAM for it. But then I'd go on with life, sadder, with the world a lesser place and not as bright and full of hope as the day before.
  14. that is basically what is my take on it. I think I may have read it from Hank Haney or maybe Zach Allen. No video as I do not deem it as all that important, just a curiosity item from swing speed increase observation. Thanks to all
  15. IMHO - You're talking about club vs lie interaction and overall clean ball contact for those shots. But....if the illusion of that helps....then cool, I'm a fan of whatever 'feel' works for people. It's been a good chat. But I'm not going any farther with that aspect - I've made my point => This "compression/ground" idea is not a real thing. Compression/deformation of the ball during contact as a concept has a real basis.
  16. I was just fitted for an iron set. Everything about how I hit a golf ball with my irons/wedges has improved exponentially. More distance, better control, more confidence... all of it. Getting fit was the best $100 I have spent on golf, followed closely by the fist $100 I spent on lessons.
  17. It is actually deforming, not compressing. Compression would be a reduction in the volume of the ball. The ball deforms in these high speed videos as you state.
  18. Changed from 2000 Callaway Hawk Eye to Titleist 915 D3 Driver. Longer and straighter. Changed from 2000 Cleveland wedge to 2017 Cleveland wedge with more bounce. I improved a lot my bunker play and a bit of my shots around the green. The improvement of a new set of irons, putter, hybrid and 3 wood where almost none agaist my previous gamers from the 90's.
  19. No - here's 2018. 21 events. 1 win, 8 top 5's (2 of which are majors), 11 top 10's, 4 missed cuts. In what would is over half your tourneys in the top 10 indicative of someone that's bad under pressure, or even 'streaky' for that matter? Article writers are trying to stir things up - even to where they are making things up, and also have terribly short term memories. I bet they also thought the Fedex Cup needed to be rearranged. There's probably an article out there right now that talks about Tiger being a loser because he didn't win last weekend's tournament (ignoring that he didn't play).
  20. I walk everywhere I can, and will select courses based on walking. I find riding in carts slower and substantially less fun.
  21. Like most people, they’re generally out there to play golf. 😁 Asked my daughter why she like certain courses or dislikes playing in general. She doesn’t like the gender inequality she meets up with a lot of the times. It’s changing, but slowly.
  22. With cart fees running $14 or more at our area courses, I try to walk as often as possible. Walking is really the biggest reason why I play the courses I do. They are reasonable flat and the tees are right near the previous hole's green.
  23. A centered pivot TST Instructional content
  24. Thanks. Not sure what you want for the 68. I posted it originally in the "What did you shoot today" thread, back when it happened. Posted June 1, 2018 Had the game of my life this morning. Shot my age - 68. Par 4 4 4 3 5 4 5 3 4 36 4 3 5 3 4 4 5 4 4 36 72 Me 4 4 3 2 5 3 6 2 4 33 4 3 5 4 4 4 4 3 4 35 68 6 birdies, 10 pars, 2 bogeys I'm a happy golfer!!! Course is 5477 yards, 66.5/111. Thanks again for the others.
  25. All the luck in the world to you!
  26. Right it doesn't matter how much it will help, what's important is that it will help. You've got nothing to lose by leaving it in.
  27. I'm just coming back to this blog after about a year, but I'm going to add my 2 cents here because my R11 is old but awesome, and you can get one for cheap on eBay, which is what I think people should do! I just played with / adjusted the weights on my 10.5 R11, adding to the swing weight substantially, and got a significant boost in consistency in distance and dispersion. I've had this club for years and still love it. For the heck of it, I just bought a 2016 model M1 and am in the process of tweaking settings, but I think the R11 is going to stay in the bag. It's an awesome driver! I can imagine the R11s being slightly better because of the size being a bit larger. My R11 may be 7 years old, but it's a keeper!
  28. If you have a chance to cancel it, please consider doing so, and ordering directly from us at https://lowestscorewins.com. You're buying a used book from Amazon, as we don't sell them on Amazon and we're the only people who sell them new.
  29. Just ordered Lowest Score Wins from Amazon. I am pumped to make that next push. I also received 5 lessons for my Birthday and had one at the end of last season so four more to go!!! My lowest round has been a 93 and I have been reading a lot lately about course management. @iacas I can’t wait to get this and start digging in.
  30. Piz

    Wedge called Fairway

    The F- wedge predates the G-wedge. There is (or was) an E-wedge; but I don't recall what it was for. An A-wedge is what used to be a P-wedge...similar to a U-wedge although examples vary. The C-wedge is an S-wedge...except when it is not. Hope this helps.
  31. I'll break this out into two camps. Working Out - Underrated. I say this by defining working out as improving cardio, flexibility, and injury prevention. I find this has helped me generally be more athletic and worry less about any problems that can arise from practicing and playing lots of golf. Golf is a very unnatural athletic movement that I feel can be hindered by the standard sedentary lifestyle a lot of people have. Anything to improve joint support and flexibility would be a benefit to most golfers. Lifting Weights - Overrated. In terms of building power to gain distance, probably overrated. You'd probably have to go Rory-esque type transformation to gain a significant benefit. That is a lot of time and effort. I am seeing it more as over-rated for 99% of golfers ;)
  32. Underrated. I would add that are not just trying to improve, but prevent injury and stay as flexible and strong as you need to be.
  33. How do you know? What is it that gives you the certainty that the bogey was caused by the lie? You don't post a handicap, so I can't what level of player you are, but in my experience, anyone can make a bogey at any time without any assistance from a bad lie. I'm far more upset with the Fates when I hit a perfect drive in the middle of the fairway, have a great lie and a great angle to the hole, then block the ball 20 yards right and make a bogey or a double with nothing to blame it on but my own ineptness.
  34. Not really sure how this works, but since I plan on participating more on this forum in 2019, some of my accomplishments in 2018 were a hole-in-one on Mothers Day, shooting 68, my lowest score ever, on June 1. My son and I also won the Member/Guest Tournament at our club in 2017.
  35. Cracks in a shaft, be it irons or woods; is never a good thing, especially on a driver. I would have it re-shafted quickly before I used it again. Is it a new club, i.e., still under warranty? If so I would bring it back to the store, they should re-shaft it under the warranty. If you're driving it 265 yards that means you have a good swing speed, (unlike us older guys), and a crack will definitely impact your drive.
  36. Find a course which offers unlimited play for a season. Many courses offer memberships for one year. Then play as many as you wish.
  37. Just over a year ago I posted a thread and suggested everyone re-evaluate "hitting up with the driver." I take my own advice to all of you (to question everything) to heart, and I've spent - off and on - the past year re-evaluating this advice myself. And after a year more of instruction, consideration, and thought, earlier this week I proposed to Dave that we stop teaching people to hit draws with the driver and allow for perhaps a bit more of a fade pattern - a straight fade pattern. I know I've helped make popular these charts showing that the average PGA Tour player hits down on the driver -1.3°, but the average PGA Tour player hits the ball 285 yards or so. The average golfer doesn't, and the numbers are undeniable - players who swing up slightly hit the ball farther with the driver. Their launch conditions - both launch angle and backspin rate - tends to improve. Now, many of you know that the stock shot from a neutral alignment and a swing that's perfectly on-plane with an iron is a push-draw stroke (or a push stroke) because when a ball is struck before low point, the clubhead is still moving slightly outward. Again, if the club is swung perfectly on plane, or "in-line," and the baseline of the plane is pointed directly at the flag, and you catch the ball before low point, then the path will be forward (duh), down (duh again), and slightly outward. If you're having trouble imagining this, imagine holding a plate on about a 45 degree angle. The low point is where the plate sits on the table. That's the deepest part of your divot. Notice that any tangent prior to this low point is still traveling outward, and any tangent afterwards is traveling inward. Anyway, the takeaway is this: for any swing, any ball struck before low point will be struck with a club traveling outward relative to the base line of the plane, and any ball struck after low point will be struck with a club traveling inward relative to the base line of the plane. Thus, for a base line oriented at the target, any downward angle of attack will result in a clubhead path to the right, and any struck upwards will result in a clubhead path to the left (that's a good chunk the entire D-Plane concept in 10 seconds, by the way). Now, you can manipulate things, of course. If you orient the base line 6° right, you can swing up on the ball 3° and still have a clubhead path that's roughly 3° right (the clubhead path with a driver is roughly 1:1 relative to the baseline with AoA). And you can play a fade by shifting the baseline 8° left and hitting down on the ball 4° too (clubhead path would be 4° right of baseline, so still 4° left of target). But that's neither here nor there... I want to talk about an inline or on-plane swing. Here's a picture of Charlie Wi (I could have used virtually anyone, but he illustrates my first point as he draws every driver he hits). What you'll see in this image are three lines. The red line shows his ball position. The blue line shows the center of his swing arc, or the low point in his swing. The green line shows a point at which he could position the golf ball to catch it slightly on the upstroke. Note: low point can be anywhere in a golf swing, but to keep things simple low point is going to be shown off the left shoulder, as it's almost always really close to the left shoulder in a good golf swing. It can move a little forward or back, but for all intents and purposes, "low point is straight down from the left armpit or shoulder socket" isn't going to get you into any trouble as a general rule of thumb. If Charlie swings perfectly on-plane, with this ball position, he'll be swinging ever so slightly to the right. If his clubface is slightly open to the target and closed to the path, he'll hit his stock push-draw. If it's square to the path, a straight push, and open to the path a push-fade. If Charlie's ball was teed up at the blue line, he'd be hitting the ball perfectly level. A clubface pointed directly at the target would result in an awfully straight shot. If Charlie's ball was teed up at the green line - just inside his toes or his left heel - Charlie would be sending the driver slightly to the left. A clubface closed to the target and open to the path would produce a pull-fade. A clubface square to the target and thus open to the path would produce a straight-fade. And the third, a push-fade, you can figure out. Here's a circle that illustrates this further. Let's consider that the clubhead swings in a circle (it doesn't - wrist cock/hinge changes the radius) with the center point being the left shoulder. The dots in this image correspond to the image above of Charlie: Note that this diagram serves a double function. We can consider this as an overhead view OR a face-on view. In either view, the blue dot is the low point (face-on) as well as the outermost point (overhead) on the circle. The red point is prior to low point (like an iron shot), and you can see it's struck while the clubhead is still descending to low point (face-on) and moving outward (overhead). Conversely, the green point is struck while the clubhead is ascending (face-on) and moving to the left, or inward (overhead). So, circling back (no pun intended) to our students, two things are true. 1. We don't want to teach two wildly different swings to people. The conditions are different for each - a ball on a tee versus a ball on the ground - but if the swings are really different, we want to avoid doing that. 2. Our students - and all of us - aren't on the PGA Tour. Distance is perhaps the biggest advantage you can have in golf, and we want to do all that we can to maximize driver distance for our students. So What are we going to do? We're going to start teaching students to hit the ball on the upswing. ::shock:: ! ::horror:: !!! How? Simple. Same swing - ideally an inline, on-plane swing - with a ball position that's slightly forward. This will produce an angle of attack into the ball that's level, +1, or +2 degrees. Maybe +3 (shoulder width, width of stance, any upper-body movement in the swing, etc. all play a role). Since this means the clubhead will be moving roughly 0 to 1.5 degrees left at impact, the stock driver shot we'll teach will be a straight fade or a push-fade (the path is going so little to the left that we'll likely default to a push-fade, because a straight fade aimed up the left side won't take a clubface more than one degree too closed to produce a baby pull or pull-draw). Now, it's important to note that this is a very slight change. People who talk about "staying behind the ball" and "hitting up on the ball" and all that tend to do a few things that are bad for their swing. First, and foremost, they'll drop their head down and backwards. This will lead to a number of problems, including a path that's too far left and too far up (ever drop-kick a driver?). Players will tend to flip and have a higher rate of closure, which will make the shot tough to time. This faking of the secondary axis tilt will prevent their weight from going forward, which can double up on these issues. No need for that - you can still pre-set the hips a little farther forward, your chest can still be roughly in the center of your stance, the ball can be inside your left toes and near or just forward of your left heel (your left arch, roughly), and you can push the hips forward, keep the head stable, catch the ball on a +1 or +2 degree upswing, achieve great launch conditions, and play a nice tight fade with the driver. If you want to hit a draw, by all means, move the ball back to Charlie's position. Or, better yet, set up slightly closed so that the baseline of the plane is oriented to the right. P.S. Not that he's the best example of anything relating to the driver, particularly back when this video was filmed when he was hitting down three degrees with the driver... but consider this image: P.P.S. Was I wrong? Sure, if you want to say so, I was. I consider this more an adaptation to how I teach, how we teach, but if you want to think I'm wrong, go for it. I never want "admitting I was wrong" to hold me back from changing something for the better. Nothing changed about my geometry... I just think that, for the average golfer, we can allow for a slight upswing contact and a fade rather than a slight downward angle and a draw with the driver, because distance is so important in the game and if this gives someone another 5 or 10 yards, so be it.
  38. Maybe I'm the odd one out here but I've always absolutely loved the white drivers. It's nice looking down and not seeing a giant sunspot, to me at least. I'm kind of upset the M1 isn't completely white because on some test videos I see the sunspot running back again. A bit irritating because I never see sun on the white part of the M1, it's always on the back. Especially when TM touts it as a big feature -- and I think it is. Guess I could get used to it. For what it's worth, R15 compared to SLDR is much more forgiving. If the M1 works for me better than the R15, I'll definitely grab it. In any case, the golf store nearby is getting some demos this weekend I believe so it'll be fun to try it out at least.
  39. Probably because of the small towns I frequent I run into singles of every stripe, they are always there. Usually late afternoon and walking. Couple weeks ago I ran into a single female golfer named Betty. She was playing reds, struggling and then some. It was obvious she was really trying to stay ahead of me. On the 5th tee she had no more room to avoid me so I drove up. It was then I saw she was older, much older than I thought. I was very happy to see her so I was overly enthusiastic with my greeting. After some small talk she asked if I would like to see her medal. I said of course and she pulled from her bag a gold medal from the 2015 CO senior Olympics. I swear I choked up a bit, story was she was the only one in her age group (85). I Offered to play with her but she declined. I shot one over par that day and I saved the ball and wrote her name on it. Corny I know but it made me happy.
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