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  1. I don't mean to put a damper on things for you, but I can give you my personal experience (which seems fairly similar to yours) and my honest opinion. I was in a situation somewhat similar to yours with just a slightly earlier timescale, in that I played golf not too competitively until I decided to truly get serious starting in the spring of my junior year of high school. At this time I was approximately a 15 handicap golfer or so, occasionally getting lucky and breaking 80 (on easy courses) and but mostly shooting mid-80s to mid-90's for my scores. That spring I started working at a golf course. From March until May I played 2 rounds a day on the weekends and 9 holes a day during the week after school. From May until August I played 1-3 full rounds every single day, with only 7-10 days off for a vacation. In that one summer I was able to go from about a 15 handicap down to a 2 handicap golfer. I was hitting the ball a lot better, my short game was sharper, my tee shots could be controlled, it was a huge difference all around. I played my senior year of high school golf and did pretty well, enough that I was in talks with coaches from a couple of different colleges. By the time the snow melted and spring rolled back around I had slid back to about a +5 handicap thanks to the break, but I played every day again the next summer. The best my handicap ever got to was +2.3 that summer, but stabilized at about +1.5 towards the end of the summer. Unfortunately the colleges didn't pan out, since the college that made an offer didn't have engineering. No big loss, I figured I could try to walk on to the team where I did go. I played in the US Open Qualifier the summer after my sophomore year of college, having practiced a fair bit in the spring, to see how my golf game was once I was through with the time-consuming "weed out" courses for engineering and could have time for the golf team. You can read about my experience at the qualifier in the thread below. Long story short, it didn't go too well. I changed a lot of things right before the event (including buying a new set of blades that I hadn't practiced enough with, having previously used S55 irons) and just overall played poorly. It wasn't the clubs' fault, it wasn't the course's fault, I just didn't play great. I kept golfing through the summer and ended the year at a +0.7 handicap, if I remember correctly, but never again got back below a +1. I know that my personal limits were found when I got to a +2.3 handicap. I was playing multiple rounds of golf most days for 2 months in a row by that point in time, and to see more improvement I would have had to be able to find the funding to dedicate my life entirely to golf. I would've needed a regular (at least once a week, but ideally more often) schedule with a swing coach, a place to live while doing nothing but golfing, and the money to keep buying balls and wedges (I was going through 2 sets of wedges a year for those two years) as well as entering more and more tournaments. I wouldn't have been able to make do just by playing the same "average" course every day (Saddleback Golf Club, not a bad course but the greens were always rough and slow), and I would've needed to have access to multiple different championship quality layouts to practice on and hone my skills. It's possible that with that kind of work I could've gotten to better than a +3, and I think it's possible I MAY have reached as good a game as a +4 if I hit a hot streak for one handicap revision. I could have possibly even reached the sectional qualifying rounds for the U.S. Amateur or the U.S. Open. Despite being able to drop nearly 15 strokes from my handicap in only 5 months, and being able to go from a 5 to a +2.3 in 3 months, it was clear to me at that point that I was never going to be a touring professional. To give some perspective about why this is, we can take a look at the post from back in 2013 when one of our members got to play a round with Graeme McDowell: and this later post in the thread: The gist of it is that Graeme came out to play in the middle of December for a promotional event with his sponsors (Srixon and GolfNow), and shot a 63 like it was nothing. To be fair he was ranked #12 in the OWGR at the time, not just any tour journeyman, but he still was able to shoot a 63 while shooting the breeze with a couple of other guys, talking during his swings, joking around, all of that. This is comparable to what you see from Monday qualifying results (https://www.mondayq.com/) where the guys who make it are shooting 67 at worst if they want to make it into the tournament on a PGA-difficulty course. The best tournament round, or round of golf period, of my life was a 65. I felt like everything was going my way, and I knew I was playing at the peak of my abilities. I was 5 under par the first day of the tournament (the 65), and 4 under par on the front 9 of the second day. It's the best 27 holes of golf I've ever played, and I know it is the best 27 holes of golf I can reasonably expect to ever play again. The problem is that I was shooting these scores at municipal courses. Decent courses, of course, but the CR was 70-72 for both of those courses rather than the 76+ for many PGA Tour setups. I played out of my mind for 27 holes, and even then I was 3 shots worse than Graeme on a day where he was messing around and 4-8 shots behind the guys playing in Monday qualifiers that aren't even good enough (or just aren't lucky enough) to maintain a tour card. It was the best golf I've ever played and I was quite happy with it, but that was when I realized just how impossible it would be for me to make the Tour and make a living off of it. Sure, if I dedicated my life to golf and had others fund my efforts I could've made a run at it. I might have even had marginal success on mini-tours, possibly making it into a Tour event once with a lucky Monday qualifier performance where I again played out of my mind (if the others didn't). But when it takes a stroke of extreme luck for me to shoot anything better than a 69 or 68, and even those scores in the 60's are pretty uncommon (my +2.3 was created with rounds that averaged less than 1 under par, just played on a course with a more difficult rating), it really solidified in my mind just how good and different the pros are even from amateur golfers playing at their peak.
  2. I’ve played well over 100 rounds with Scott Parel, now on the Tour Champions. When he played with our group, the over/under side bet was always 65. He’s shot 60 three different times, once with me, on a course with a 72.9 rating and 139 slope. Also played with Wesley Bryan and Vaughn Taylor and countless D1 college guys. Most golfers have no idea of that level of play, or even the night and day difference between college and professional. If someone had illusions, they would become quickly returned to reality. Bob Clecky, former long time head pro at Augusta National, told a young golfer asking the same question you are about professional golf, “if you can’t beat everyone in a 100 mile radius 9 of 10 times, you have no chance “ Sorry for the cold shower. Welcome to The Sand Trap.
  3. It's a bit strange you are seeking a career advise from strangers. You should seek that kind of advise from your parents/coach or someone more close to you and knows you a lot better than from an internet forum. JMHO.
  4. I think chronically slow people or groups will just be slow about everything. If your group takes a 'pace of play' attitude, this wouldn't be an issue as they'd get ready for putts while others are putting, the flag could come in or out as preferred if they just help each other (until they all learn to just keep the damn thing in all the time). It's a 4-some - there is plenty of people there to just be aware and forward looking - pull and replace the pin for each other, plan and prep in parallel, rake the bunker for each other if you're already out, park the cart where you can just walk off to it, pick up the flag and each other's clubs when it's more efficient to do so, watch where each others' shots land, ready golf - STOP standing around for each shot of the other guys, get to your ball and be ready to hit, or decide you don't need to take turns at all, just play and stay out of each others' line. it can be calm, it doesn't have to be rushed. But when you see a foursome drive up to ball one, he takes a minute, then they drive to the ball two, and he takes a minute, .......sigh.... It's literally just being aware and courteous to each other. Instead of oblivious and self focused. it takes zero effort. It doesn't even have to be fast as possible, it just has to be fast enough to keep up with the group in front of you. there's no discussion - If I'm putted out and this group shows signs of being indecisive, I just grab the pin and ask the next guy - "in or out" while he's lining up. He's not slowed down. Ditto for the next guy. Cripes, caddy for each other a little.
  5. Yes. your fitting is very close to what I got a few years ago. It wasn't with Edel, but a very good fitter in NH. He lengthen my shaft to 35.5, which is long for my height and flatten my lie with my existing putter. Later, I picked up another used putter and made it the exact same specs.
  6. David in FL

    Mercy Rule?

    What kind of game? That’s one reason to play match play. Once someone’s out of the hole and hits their ESC, they pick up and move on. The only reason to keep banging your head against the wall would be in a pure stroke play format. Even then I’d tell him to move on with the understanding that he just lost all stroke play bets. FWIW, someone who can’t carry 150 yards should probably either be playing different tees, or not be playing for money at all.
  7. It was my understanding that the new rule allowing the flagstick to be left in was intended to speed up play. I don't know about anyone else but I'm finding that it's causing just the opposite effect. One person in the foursome might want it in while others might want it out. Personally, I would prefer to keep it in all the time but some other guys I've been playing with want it in on downhill putts and out on uphill putts. Most everyone is OK with it in on long putts but once closer to the hole opinion varies. Personally, I find those testy 3 and 4 footers easier with the stick in, yet I've heard others say the hole "feels smaller" that way. The end result is there is a constant shuffling of the stick in and out, in and out which is causing more time to be taken on the green than previously. I'm wondering what others are experiencing.
  8. That's your basic golf club porn right there. What a beautiful club.
  9. Well I figured you wanted validation more than advice. I was correct. Good luck.
  10. I have used a gripped down club to run the ball up onto the green from as much as 120 yards out. I might take as much as two extra clubs depending on the distance. The shot stays low, and rolls a lot. The situation had to be right for this shot. I consider it a really long bump and run. Firm, even fairways that sort of just meld into the green work best for this type of shot. . Choking down helps with club head control, which also helps with accuracy. It's a good shot to have on those days when a golfer's other, full/abbreviated swing shots are not working well.
  11. Agree. It was Clecky’s way of telling this young man to get an education and a good job. If you knew Bob, you would know how much I’ve cleaned up the words.
  12. Exactly what Vinsk and Pretzel said, and to take off a little distance. Ex. If a nine is a 145 club, and the distance is 140, with pin at the back of the green, choking up half an inch or so will take off a few yards.
  13. Into the wind where the distance is an 8i I might be concerned it’ll balloon. Rather than trying a difficult full 8i and hope to hit a boring shot I’ll choke down on a 7i knowing I’ll get a lower trajectory but still get the distance pretty close.
  14. Whenever I need to hit the ball low I grip down on the club. This can be because there's a headwind, because there's a tree, or even just because the green has a big back-to-front slope and I don't want the ball to come back when it lands Usually about an inch or so for a normal low shot, for hitting it into the wind or controlling the spin. If I really want it to go low I'll grip down on the club by nearly two inches.
  15. 1 point
    Interesting topic. I appreciate the science of the golf swing. It impresses me the knowledge espoused on this site from the clearly scientific thinkers. That was never my strong point. Not that I don't "get" it, or understand what is being said but I do believe there comes a point where it gets to much. I'm more of a visual learner so that may be part of it. I tend to learn seeing what @iacas or @mvmac are trying to say as opposed to reading a post on it. The great thing about this site is that video is so revered as a learning tool that someone like me is better able to grasp the scientific concepts by seeing them in action. I will never care or seek out my trackman numbers but if I can learn based on these things how it can help my swing by seeing the better way of doing things that's all the better. Thank you to the scientists. It sounds corny but because of your thirst for knowledge and getting things correct we all benefit.
  16. It's caused us to speed up a bit in league play. We rarely take it out. Usually, it only comes out if the wind is strong and the flag leans in the direction the putt is coming from.
  17. be very careful about whom you take advice from, especially amateur golfer internet strangers. a lot of people tend to project their own life experiences and expectations on others, even if they don't correlate. ultimately you will probably have to look within yourself to find the right answer. separately, here's a guy who's famously said, "this ain't no hobby!" yet still manages to have fun with (drinking) buds on and off the course. enjoy!
  18. Full swing: no idea! never hit them full. Only the driver. Normal swing: 51°: 115 56°: 105 60°: 95 3/4 swing: 51°: 85 56°: 75 60°: 65 Less than 60 yards i play my 60° by feel.
  19. Yes, take it seriously. Be as good as you can be. Has nothing to do with money. Stress of expectations can reduce years of your life but so can regret. Pick your poison.. 😊
  20. And they may not for awhile. In the last five years he’s made three cuts. Thats more than Tiger Woods. 🙂
  21. I think golfers interested in their distances should be more concerned about their carry yardages. I say this because on any given day, on any course, the roll, after the carry is going to be different. Perhaps the turf is drier, or wetter. Firmer or softer. Maybe the turf is freshly mowed....or not. Too many vaiables can have an effect on the after carry roll. If the golfer has a good grasp of their carry yardages, they can then anticipate over all yardages by factoring in the couse conditions for that round. The only thing that can effect one's carry yardage is the weather. Most golfers can account for different weather conditions with swing, and/or club selection. I am fortunate enough to live by an open area that has very soft sand I can use for a landing area. The ball will usually just sort of plug in the sand. There is very little roll, if any. I get reliable carry yardages using the sand, gps, and my range finder.
  22. I can’t speak to your particular surgery, but I know 3 avid golfers who had total knee replacements. All right handed, 2 left knee and one right knee. All were back playing within 12 weeks or so, and all completely back to “normal” in far less than 6 months. Switching to Lefty would likely take longer than that to reach any kind of proficiency, if it even ever happened. Plus the need for new clubs. Sorry, I just can’t see that as any kind of reasonable “solution” to a relatively minor, short-term issue.
  23. Both of those two posts you posted have nothing to do with SuperSpeed Golf, the protocols, progress following the protocols, etc. The original question about wrist soreness was relevant because it was related to something specific that happened when doing the SuperSpeed training. You going off on a tangent about comparing grip pressure of amateurs to PGA tour players and then posting a separate link to 5 techniques to improve grip strength have absolutely nothing to do with SuperSpeed golf, which is why I said they are off topic. And no, you didnt answer the question, because the question was asking if anyone has experienced wrist soreness when doing the Superspeed program, and since you haven't done the SuperSpeed program, there's no way you could possibly have provided a relevant on topic answer. It's not a big deal and it happens sometimes on the forum, but we generally try to keep things on topic as much as possible.
  24. You can just look at Google Maps Street View and see for yourself. It looks like your typical Georgia suburb, other than a shopping plaza named after The Masters and lots of shops that use green colored signs, Route 28, Washington Road, looks like any other thoroughfare in suburbia USA. Like many others, I also imagined a more bucolic surrounding. Google Maps Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.
  25. Because no one at Augusta has had the talk with him yet.
  26. Absolutely. At my peak i was playing +3 golf and still wasn't really competitive against any level of professional player. Or even the elite amateurs like Spieth, Folwer etc... Id say the distance in skill between me (as a scratch player) and an average tour pro is the same between me and a 20 handicap. They're that good. Id advance to sectionals in US open qualifying back in my glory days and be made to feel like a chop by guys who where barley hanging on in the web tour.. With hard work and dedication i suppose anything is possible. But realistically i think you're looking at a career as a local PGA professional or mini tour player at your age. Perhaps the champions tour. I think if you consistently played at a plus level, you'd might be able to make some decent cheese as PGA pro. Some of those guys make over 50k a year on course in addition to their club pro gigs.
  27. Wedges are supposed to go high. If you putting a bona fide full swing on them, they will go very high. 100 yds for a 56* is above average in in line with Tour players. You should be most concerned with where the ball ends up in relation to the hole.
  28. I love The Masters, but Jimmy Roberts, I ain't nowhere near gonna sell my soul to attend the dinner. Hyperbolic a little? Got this from the Instagram account.
  29. Yep, fantasy. Sorry. The difference between a 6hcp and scratch is enormous. The difference between scratch and +3 is even greater, and the difference between +3 and a PGA Tour Pro is greater yet. The commercials are right. Those guys are ridiculously good! Golf is a great game, and one that you can play for a lifetime. There are also plenty of opportunities to make a living in and around the game without playing for your paycheck. Enjoy it for what it is.
  30. I played golf yesterday with a couple of friends I have played with for years. I actually don't play much with them anymore because one of the guys hits numerous balls. He's literally one of those guys who will hit three or four tee shots until he gets a good one. He usually does not hold up play so usually it's not a big deal but after about 12-13 holes of this,I start to lose interest in playing. Yesterday took well over four hours to play on a golf course that I really don't like so that made it even tougher (because of the groups in front of us). I hardly ever shoot a good score when I play with them and I feel bad because I don't like playing with them as much as I used to. The last five or six holes yesterday all I wanted to do was quit and go get a beer. I do like talking to them so it's one of those rounds that I just don't put too much thought into. I literally don't think I lined up yesterday on the whole back nine or even made a practice swing. I guess I should just see if we can meet up for beer and wings instead of golf from now on.
  31. I have been playing them too, and I must admit that this iron is really soft to play with. I was enjoying every second of playing it. Great choice!
  32. He plays because he wants to play. Most of the older, previous champions play without any realistic chance at winning. Like Russ said, wouldn't you play at Augusta if you could? The old champions do not take up any exemption spots, so the number of oldies that show up has no effect on the field of players that can potentially win it. From Wikipedia:
  33. Leupold offered you that because your out of warranty rangefinder failed? Damn, that’s generous!
  34. Thanks. It's not even HD, though, eh?
  35. I think maybe I should have worded it better, I don't blame the guys for my game but found it harder mentally as I've never come across it before in the excess nature.. Also in no ways did the guys I played with have issues with me trying to focus on my at times woeful game on the day, of course, after the game we had a few drinks certainly enjoyed each other company and will likely be paired up together in the future... I personally think it was a combination of factors on the day...I didn't get the best sleep the night before and trying my best to focus on my game but let outside factors get to my game. last game I see was 6.9 HC diff so certainly going in the right direction
  36. Having played the hole, I have sympathy for him. The hotel is uncomfortably close for right handed slicers (and lefty hookers). Plus there are quite a few broken windows (low on the building, not the rooms). And if there are people like my group, lots of people on the hotel's observation deck offering encouragement.
  37. David in FL

    Mercy Rule?

    A stableford format is a form of net stroke play that also limits the “damage” of a single blowup hole as well as providing an opportunity to pick up and move on in that event. It might be another option to consider...
  38. I've taken aimpoint. I liked it. I think it made me a better putter. Makes you think about reading breaks differently. however, unless you are a horrible putter, your game will be much more improved by adding 10mph of swing speed. just a lot more value from an extra 20yds off the tee vs. making 10% more 8-foot putts. It's not terribly hard to become a decent putter, just go practice. However, it's impossible to hit the ball 20 yds further, unless you have some measurable and effective practice method to teach you to swing 10% faster. go with Superspeed, my guy. I'm yet to read a review from anyone on this site that suggests it didn't work for them. Edit:: I didn't read the responses before I posted. Looks like I'm in the minority. I guess, you'll have to reflect on your own game to make this decision. where do you need the help?
  39. As long as the ball is in bounds, and not in a penalty area, she would get relief, an "animal hole" is an "abnormal course condition". For details review Rule 16. You should also look at the Interpretations for Rule 16, since the location of the ball (under a bunker, near OB lines, etc) can have some impact on where you take your relief. http://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rules-and-interpretations.html#!ruletype=fr&section=rule&rulenum=16
  40. Maybe a little of this this weekend. Do I ever get tired of watching this? No.
  41. NM Golf

    Mercy Rule?

    The people behind you hate you. ^^^^^THIS^^^^^
  42. mcanadiens

    Mercy Rule?

    Money is money. He'll have to keep at it until the hole is conceded one way or another. That's part of the reason I stay away from money games and places with forced carries.
  43. About 9 years ago, I was on a par 3 and hit the top of the ball with the bottom of the hozel. I proceeded to bounce the ball into my body.
  44. That iron was produced from 1981-1984. Cast, 2nd tier product.
  45. Just got back from the golf trip. Really happy with how I played overall. Shot a 77 in my only round where we played our own individual ball. The round started out rough with 2 doubles in the first 3 holes, but included 4 birdies, the most I have ever made in a round. That was the best driving round I have ever had, my distance was up compared to last year, probably due to SuperSpeed training, and in the Driving category on GameGolf, I gained 1.63 strokes compared to a scratch golfer. I played the par 5s in 3 under par, and was on the green in 2 shots twice after really solid 5 and 6 irons, and was 2 inches from holing out from 36 yds for eagle for the other par 5 that I birdied. View this round on GAME GOLF Putting was really solid all weekend as well, my buddies mentioned how it seemed like every putt had a chance to go in. I was really focusing on keeping my head still throughout the stroke, I noticed a few weeks ago that I actually moved my head and followed the putter on the way back with my eyes. We played a couple different formats in our other rounds, and in one of the rounds, I smoked one drive that went 340 yds, and another one that was 310. I also chipped in twice from just off the green for birdies in other rounds as well. I felt comfortable with the new grip and how the club sits at address, and I tried to focus on the hand path as well on the backswing, but I know I still need more work with that. Direction was fine with the irons, they were pretty straight for the most part, contact was a bit inconsistent though, I could definitely feel when I had the proper axis tilt and hand depth. Excited to keep working at the swing and really happy with the results I'm seeing so far.
  46. 30 FT shot from the fringe with the putter.
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