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  1. I just wanted to add that the data you have for Nicklaus is a little off as far as I know. You forgot to remove the majors from his regular event total. Also the tour's website doesn't include the Open in their total starts stat up until 1995 the date it became an official event. I'm not trying to be rude, I just spent a lot of time on gathering the stats myself a while back. Here's Jack from his first pro event in 1962 to the end of 1978: Won 53 of the 285 regular events, or 18.6%. Won 15 of the 68 majors, or 22.1%. Total win percentage: 19.26% And Tiger from 1996-2009
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  2. Your quote highlights something that Tiger is seldom given credit for, which is that he has never (to my knowledge) tried to lobby for himself the way Jack did. Tiger is pursuing the two biggest records in golf, namely Sam's 82 wins, and Jack's 18 majors. Tiger is a student of the game. He knows golf history. He knows that Snead (and Jack, for that matter) have gotten credit for official wins in team events, very short field events, etc. that would not compare favorably with the Tiger Challenge, let alone the weakest official event Tiger has won. There have even been articles by reput
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  3. That's very unfair to Jack, since he played events well into his 60's. It also distorts Tiger's record, since he played injured for several years. It would be more fair to look at the the periods when Tiger and Jack were in their primes --- 1996 through 2009 for Tiger, and 1962 through 1978 for Jack. For both men, those are the years from their rookie season to the year before they first went winless, and fell out of the top 50 in the money list. Tiger played 239 official PGA events from turning pro through 2009, including 50 majors and 30 WGCs, leaving 159 "regular" events.
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  4. That is a key point. Jack shouldn't get to decide what the criteria for GOAT is, yet he did. Several times. With changing definitions, tailored to what he could achieve or thought he could achieve. From winning a 'Bobby Jones' type slam as a career amateur, to winning a professional grand slam (which Tiger arguably has done, with the only argument on the meaning of grand), to beating Snead's PGA victory career total (which Tiger is about to do but which, with any set of consistent criteria on what counts and what doesn't was surpassed long ago). He couldn't do any of them. So except for
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  5. I don't believe that first bit is true. Based on this study, with data collected by TheGrint, 2016 REPORT: Overall Golfer Performance By Handicap YOU (vs) OTHER GOLFERS How do you compare to other golfers in the US? even 25 handicappers average less than 39 putts. For a 25 handicapper to get to the point where he breaks 80 regularly, we're talking about close to 20 strokes of improvement. The fewest putts a player is likely to average is 30 to 32, so he can gain maybe 7 or 8 per round by putting better. To get into the 70s with regularity, he has to improve
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  6. Thanks for the correction. I don't know how I managed to forget to subtract the majors, but in my defense, I'm a moron. The British Open's unofficial status is a more subtle error, so congrats for spotting it. I actually got my stats from a saved copy of a post I made several years ago to the old Golf Channel board, so I'm not sure what herb or beverage might have influenced me at the time I did the original calculation, but henceforth I'll double-check when I copy from an old post. Thanks again for your very polite correction.
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  7. Remember when Tiger was doomed with the chip yips?
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  8. Some people say Steve is abrasive, but I've met Steve and played golf with him and he is a kind, intelligent, and amiable person dedicated to his player. Steve has caddied for Peter Thompson, Greg Norman, Ray Floyd, Tiger, Adam Scott and has 150 wins on the tour almost double what any other caddy has done and is in the Caddy Hall of Fame. A so-called "abrasive person" could not accomplish what Steve has accomplished. Like Tiger, Steve has achieved the height of his profession and is arguably the greatest caddy in the history of golf. Tiger or any other golfer would have the advantage to h
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  9. Sadly, I'm sure I chose McIlroy. Me of little faith. So happy to be wrong.
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  10. How good is this no-name Koepka guy? If he keeps this up in majors he might make a name for himself one day.
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  11. You're right it's cyclical, when my wife and I were dating she would say "Sure, go to the golf course, have fun." She didn't want to be too pushy. We got married and had kids and she would say, "There are things around the house that need to be done and YOU'RE going to the golf course!" Many a fight began as I tried to get to my car with my clubs. Now we've been married for 20 years it's, "Aren't you supposed to tee off at 7:30? Hurry, you'll be late!" She just wants me gone so she can do what she wants to do.
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  12. Reason's why Jack and golfers in and before his era wouldn't win more majors than Tiger. 1. Equipment helps out less skilled golfers. There is a reason why ball speeds on centered strikes has not changed. If you have a golfer who hits the center of the clubface 99/100 times versus a guy who hits it 80/100 times, which do you think equipment benefits more? This is why Tiger has not seen the gains in distance versus the field, which has caught up to him. 2. Tiger's ceiling is higher. He proved it against tougher competition than Jack did. He didn't just beat golfers he dominated the ga
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  13. To follow up, this link takes you to a searchable database of all courses with USGA ratings National Course Rating Database
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  14. This is a cool one to watch. And this quote: Reporter: "He loves the game?" Earl Woods: "No... it transcends love. He's addicted to greatness. He's addicted to being the best that has ever played the game"
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  15. This is going to sound dumb, but the ball should finish where you want it to finish. That might be in line with your feet, it might be left of your feet, or it might be right of your feet. Your feet can influence club path, but your feet alone don't dictate shot shape. It's possible to draw the ball with a stance that is closed to your target, and its possible to draw the ball with a stance that's open to your target. This might help you understand ball flights a bit more https://thesandtrap.com/b/playing_tips/ball_flight_laws
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  16. Great article, and I liked your annotations. There is one I would add, though. I don't often indulge in woulda coulda shouldas, because they prove absolutely nothing, but I like this one. From the article: " 32. During the 2000 PGA Tour season, Woods recorded one round higher than 73. It came in the first round of the Masters. He shot 75, on a day when the field averaged 75.59." That one off day resulted in a solo 5th at that Masters. According to the PGA website, Tiger's scoring average that year was 67.794 adjusted, 68.17 raw. So it's not much of a stretch to say he co
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  17. Don't forget Tom Watson could just never win a PGA, Ray Floyd couldn't figure out the Open Championship, Trevino never won a Masters. I'm going to go out on a limb here... I think Tiger might get his 16th major before Rory completes the career slam. Especially now that Tiger knows he doesn't have to have the lead going into Sunday to win a major. He finally figured out how to win it from a couple strokes back. Simply put... Play your own game. In my head I think this will be more like Jack's 1980, than 1986. Tiger isn't done winning or winning majors. Rory will complete the car
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  18. I'm not predicting it or anything, but would anyone really be shocked if Tiger chalked up a 'second career' career grand slam before any of the young guns complete whatever they have left? And by 'second career' career grand slam I mean where the three remaining pieces are after this Masters. Phil - US Open Arnie - PGA Snead - US Open If a career grand slam were easy, everyone would have one.
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  19. At the risk of tarnishing my fanboy image, I have to point out that this distorts rather than illuminates. You can see this very quickly if you look at DJ's average, recalculated on HIS last 26 events with a denominator of 26. I've done that and it turns out to be around 15. Is it because he has played so much better than in the prior events? No, it is because those prior events get aged down. Tiger's 26 events have not been NEARLY as significantly aged as DJ's 47 events. I've made that same denominator argument myself, in the past, but once I realized the reality I had to abandon it.
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  20. Uhmmmm (scratches head)..... yeah, of course. I said "it might seem". As if to say: It might seem like __________, but actually ________________. Exactly.
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  21. It's not about completeness. That's why it's not quantifiable. Completeness is easy. Valuation is hard, subjective, and forever thus unquantifiable.
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  22. You didnt answer my question. You said this argument is just conjecture regardless of how much data is presented, so that must mean you feel that there are incomplete pieces of information that are not allowing you to make a decision. What pieces of information about their careers are incomplete? But number of wins, winning percentage, consecutive cuts made, and average wins per season are all quantifiable and point to Tiger, which is enough, IMO to show Tiger had a better career and is the greatest golfer.
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  23. Just input your e-mail address here: https://mailchi.mp/practical-golf/snell-giveaway
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  24. More Majors as the criteria of GOAT was Jack’s idea. He decided that once he knew he wasn’t gonna top Snead in total wins. Jack also said ‘Not winning means nothing. Nobody remembers who finished second.’
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  25. If Tiger was Jack he would have lobbied for the goalpost to have been shifted long ago to most premium events, defined as majors, WGCs, and Players.
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  26. and, he hasn't done a true season Slam yet - that's the last domino to fall (so very unlikely, but so incredibly satisfying if it happened)
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  27. All the data in the world can't make this argument anything more than conjecture. I hope TW just wraps up 3 more majors and puts the matter to bed.
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  28. There's no question that luck has some effect. But luck works in both directions, sometimes a good shot gets a bad bounce. Sometimes you get a gust of wind at just the wrong time. Sometimes your ball on the green will stop your brother's ball from going into the hole. On a particular day, luck might save you a few strokes, like it did for your brother, or it might cost you a few. On balance, I believe it all evens out.
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  29. Fact: competition is stronger/deeper now, as more golfers are playing golf (including and especially from outside the country). Equipment has also raised the level of those beneath "the best" more so than it's raised the level of the best, too, further closing the gap and making competition stronger. So no, I stand by what I said.
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  30. It’s also worth noting that a hole caused by any animal is now considered an ACC. Previously only that caused by a burrowing animal so qualified. A significant change...
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  31. There's always the possibility for anything. In general, 40+ is an indicator of an average or less golfer and in general, people are far less able to execute a full swing than a putt.
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  32. Had yesterday off from work and the kid, so I went to play somewhere nice and expensive (relatively), Chambers Bay. As most know, they finished re-sodding their greens to Poa this winter. They didn't roll too fast, but they were completely smooth. I shot a 76 from the tips. Wasn't my best round. Off the tee was decent, it was mostly around the greens that screwed me up. I hit 11/18 greens with 33 putts. I had two terrible pitch shots. It's very rare that I play courses with such tight fairway lies and I couldn't make it work. One was from 45yds when near green in two shots on the par 5 4th
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  33. Smylie Kaufman. Soon. Mark it.
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  34. Got my second 70's score the other day with a 79 (45/34) now with 191 carded rounds ...it seems after getting 83 (around 80 games ago 6yrs+ it's been so hard to beat that score) with many 83's at best but just as many low 90's .... then after a 5-month break with zero golf .... I just took a different mindset to really think about my game and not focus on my score so much ...got a net out the back yard work on the swing path contact ...much more chipping practice .. and it been 40 days where outside a couple of days I haven't held a club ...played doz or so rounds and I go from 15.1
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  35. It's really great to see these threads back on top of the first page, I haven't posted much as of late but I do believe Tiger woods is the greatest player of all time. When and if he simply ties Jack's professional majors record should settle it for everyone. Tiger will at least have 84 PGA tour victories at that time which will be the most passing Sam Snead at 82 also Tigers 3 US amateur titles gives him the edge over Jack.
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  36. Here's an interesting scenario I've been thinking about. Let's say he wins a U.S. Open and British Open but stops at 17 majors. This actually gives him more Career Grand Slams (4) than Jack's 3 Career Grand Slams. And then there is issue of total wins. A hypothetical 90 and 17 is better than 73 and 18. I don't think anyone believes a 1-major guy is better than a 17 time winner on Tour (without a major). Just throwing that out there because it would make the debate pretty awkward to say the least, haha
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  37. The lead hand has the most contact with the grip. I don't usually wear a glove, but after three straight days of continuous practice and play, I needed to wear one today (and probably tomorrow). My fingers are kind of tender where the callouses will form, but for now it is uncomfortable to hold a club without a glove. It doesn't help that my grip of choice is Pure DTX which is similar to a corded grip in feel. Had I started the week with a glove, I probably could have avoided this, so I can see why anyone who hits a lot of balls would use one.
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  38. The Rule says, as you seem to know: Exceptions – When Relief Not Allowed for Ball Embedded in General Area: Relief under Rule 16.3b is not allowed: When interference by anything other than the ball being embedded makes the stroke clearly unreasonable (for example, when a player is unable to make a stroke because of where the ball lies in a bush). This is a common bit of fine print with many free relief situations.
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  39. If your ball is embedded in the general area you're entitled to relief (assuming the Local Rule isn't in effect limiting it to fairway height or lower). If you can chip out sideways, then the ball is still embedded. If it's possible to reasonably play a stroke in some direction, you are entitled to relief, and then after relief is taken, can play in any direction. But why would you want to just chip out if you get relief? You could… but why?
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  40. Masters.com is just the best. I got 700mbs downloading the broadcast. Six hours of HD video, almost 10GB, downloaded in a couple of minutes. The coverage starts about 20 minutes before the leaders tee off, so you get all of Tiger's shots. For those who can't or don't want to download the whole thing, note that the tracking feature on Masters.com doesn't just show diagrams of the shots in a very cool 3d viewer that is to the PGA Tour's shot tracker what Skyrim is to Pong, but it shows video of every shot. Just click on the shot number on the diagram to get a 5-10 second clip of that sh
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  41. This is true. But I’d add, imo, that many instructors ‘do’ and do quite well as far as golf in general. PGA TOUR players are in an elite class by themselves. Being an excellent golfer isn’t limited to a PGA TOUR level of play.
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  43. Just back in the gym today after a long layoff. Did 2 sets of 12 reps of squats, dumbbell bench presses, upright rows, triceps push downs, and barbell curls. Just used today to get back into being in the gym. Felt good and am so happy my wife signed us up at the Y.
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  44. I force myself to go to bed at around 9:30 so I can wake up and be at the gym sometime between 5AM and 6AM. Deload week this week, btw, so light on the weights and only 3 gym days this week.
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  45. The whole "majors are the measure of a career" is, to me, a false argument. The fact that both Jack and Tiger are credited with agreeing with the statement does not lend it additional weight, as I believe they both "hid" behind it as a way to justify playing a very limited schedule. I have not doubt that Tiger is the GOAT, and that Jack is in 2nd place - but 3rd place really starts to bring in a number of factors. Things for players like Hagen & Sarazen who missed opportunities for more majors (and tournament wins) due to canceled events due to the Wars. Hagen would, again IMO, have m
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  46. The way I chose to answer this question was to look at each players individual accomplishments and ask myself: Which would I be most satisfied with? Hogan and Player both won modern Grand Slams, in addition to a ton of other tournaments, which I consider to be a very fulfilling set of accomplishments. However, Hogan had about 3x as many PGA Tour wins as Player, since Gary chose to play internationally more often. Both are very impressive, but Hogan simply beat better players more often. Phil and Snead each have the U.S. Open monkey on their backs, though Phil may still do it. I hop
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  47. The leaderboard was pathetic but you're not saying the field was weak. Really? But take a look at the field in one of Jack's early majors, the 1966 British Open. Of the EIGHT Americans in the field (at a time when American golf was so dominant that they were in the midst of administering some of the worst beatings in the Ryder Cup that Britain ever suffered - and the vast majority of that field was made up of Brits) only one failed to make the cut, Fred Haas. The other 7 Americans all finished in the top 15. The 7 were Jack*, Doug Sanders*, Dave Marr, Phil Rodgers*, Arnie*, Dick S
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  48. Ken : I used to do weight training. In fact I trained for 30 years, then my body started to break down. I had a pinched nerve, a herniated disk and pains up my calves when I did aerobics. I started doing all kinds of styles of Yoga to relieve the tightness in my muscles that I was getting from the heavy lifting. I continued to do the weights, aerobics, and swimming .I also started to work with an inversion table almost every day. After about 5 years of this routine, I discovered Baptist Power Yoga, a Yoga that includes arm balances and inversions. This practice challenged my muscle
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