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  1. As someone that had the pleasure of knowing Lee on the golf course at LaCosta as a pro caddy and being with him as we he worked his way around the golf course....i can assure the entire golfing public....if Lee Trevino tells you it's raining...you can get an umbrella....This man has integrity...honesty...commitment...talent...and is a true human being...it doesn't come any better than...Super Mex...God bless you Lee.....and thanks for the memories....
  2. Little off topic but goes to the credibility of the video. Hogan also didn't have his arms super externally rotated at setup (elbows turned under, elbows close together), like Bertrand is demonstrating. This is right before he starts to take it back.
  3. Has this guy ever looked at Hogan's swing? 😂 Agree with @iacas, if anything Hogan is doing the opposite. IMO Hogan had more of what's called a lagging club head takeaway, meaning the club head "lagged" behind the hands on the takeaway. I just don't think you can get in these positions with twisting or rolling the forearms while adding extension (cup) to the lead wrist. I agree he maintained or maybe added a little extension in the lead wrist early takeaway, almost "pushed" the grip end back with the heel pad of the left hand. Right hand above left, well away from his right thigh. If you twisted you can't create that amount of width. Look at how the right elbow is well away from his rib cage. Hands and shaft almost inline at 1.5, again don't think that can get there by rolling the forearms early. Right hand on top of left here. I have some thoughts on how this allowed him to get to the top with such an externally rotated right elbow, might do a video on that soon.
  4. Hogan didn't do what the guy says he did at 4:15. His left wrist was cupped a bit at A1, still about the same at A2, and then cupped a little bit more (but not much) at the top. Hell, Hogan did more of the opposite than what this guy is saying. Hogan's right hand stayed on top more than the guy demonstrates; it didn't twist "under."
  5. robbie

    Pace Problem

    I've always found that rattling the ball up to their ankles while they're putting is most effective. Followed by a cheery apology of course. That works in Scotland where golf is a working-class/blue-collar game. I'm not sure how it would work in a posh English or US country club where the secretary is a retired Colonel!
  6. You're conning yourself (or being conned) if you think your 7I in this set is actually a 7I. It’s at least a 5I. And as the comment says I have been the first to not care about loft creep. But everyone has a limit.
  7. GREAT ADVICE FROM EVERYONE! I have RA. My hands are kind of gnarly, with swollen joints, knots on joints, etc. I have had to go to a higher level of pain management. I see an ortho/hand specialist. INFREQUENT injections really help. Also a Rheumatologist. I take two meds to slow down the progression. One, Meloxicam, is a heavy duty Ibuprophen that really works. Plus as @DrMJGsaid, two gloves. I have used the Bionic and then just regular gloves as the treatments began to work. Low impact exercises like aerobics in a pool are good. FINALLY MY BEST ADVICE...Don't play around with osteo or rheumatoid arthritis if it is starting to affect your life.. It is progressive and can be crippling (esp in hands, knees, rotator cuffs). See a specialist if at all possible. I think doctors on the site will confirm this. Sorry for the rant...I spent from October 2017 to May 2018 seeing doctors and in physical therapy with this stuff. (But I leave Tuesday for Michigan to attend my military unit reunion and will play 2 rounds of golf. YAY!) Best, -Marv
  8. While there may be many grip styles used by the best players in the world, there are certain commonalities of a functional golf grip and I wanted to put this thread together to help illustrate what those are. If you found this thread by searching for information on the golf grip, welcome to our site, we have plenty of other great information HERE and make sure to JOIN, it's free! For any regular users of the site, hope this helps your game or confirms what you are currently doing with your grip. Some pics to highlight some common mistakes Lead hand Big NO in the left pic, grip in the palm. Right pic, heel pad on top, grip in the fingers, it will automatically feel more secure. General idea of how it should look Anatomical snuffbox. If you shot a nail directly through the top of the wrist (in that little indentation underneath your thumb - the anatomical snuffbox) the nail should come out directly through the bottom of your wrist and into the center of the grip. Most poor grips would have the nail come out the bottom of the wrist and miss the grip on the left side. This would indicate the wrist joint not sitting on top of the grip. This is an important aspect of the grip because the incorrect position would assist in early club head throw away on the downswing, basically the wrist joint can't support the downward force of the club. Two sides of the spectrum here. Too weak in the left pic, note the left hand isn't turned enough and the "nail" would be coming out of the left side of the grip. In the right pic, grip is too strong, left hand is rotated too much, lots of cup (dorsi flexion) in the lead wrist. This next bit is more of a variation than a commonality, but I think it's beneficial and probably something new even for experienced golfers. Left pic, short lead thumb, right pic, long lead thumb. Make it easy on yourself and go with the long lead thumb. Greatly assists in the mobility of the wrist hinge on the backswing and downswing. Trail Hand The placement of the trigger finger pressure point (first pad of your index finger just above the knuckle) is important. Too far under can cause the club face to appear too "closed", face aiming towards the sky at the top of the backswing. Too far on top can cause the face to rotate too far underplane on the takeaway. Left pic, pressure point is "on top". Right pic is ideal, pressure point on the side or aft side of the grip. Left pic, pressure point is "under", ideal on the right. Another common mistake in the left pic, right thumb is running down the middle of the grip. A more functional position on the right, just the upper right "tip" of the thumb is in contact with the grip. Left pic position can contribute more to "casting" or losing leverage at too fast a rate. The curvature of the rear hand fits into the base of the lead thumb. Other than looking at your hand position, how do you know if your grip is in the palm of the lead hand? Take a look at some of these clues. Left pic, the "V" of the rear hand is pointing at my sternum, should be aimed more towards my rear shoulder. In the right pic I haven't "loaded" my wrists enough, shaft angle is also too shallow. The shaft would be pointing outside the ball. Since there is a lack of structure to the grip, the shaft "collapses" and gets close to my rear shoulder at the top of the backswing. From there I will have to uncock my wrist angles rapidly to get the club back down to the ball. Golfers will also have a pattern of the location of the wear spot on their glove, under the heel pad, into the palm like the example below. The thumb can also get "shredded" pretty quickly due to the lack of stability in the hand.
  9. There's nothing wrong with that exact statement. Putting also matters, and working on short game and putting is the easiest and quickest way to lower your scores because it's a slower and more controlled swing. That still doesn't mean it's more important than the long game, but that improving in that area is easier.
  10. Well said. This may not be a swing for all, but at least for a few of us it is heaven sent. Even if you do lose distance (I didn't) and your friends look at you oddly (mine did), the total ease of mastering this swing (or an adaptation) makes it all worthwhile. Scoff if you must, but I remain one happy golfer.
  11. I watched some of Jim's videos and tried to incorporate keeping most of my weight on the left side as well as being closed and still. It makes coming from the inside much easier and makes a straight shot or a slight draw happen pretty quickly. My ball striking has become much more predictable. I have had back surgery and limited mobility, I'm 55 now so all that twisting from the traditional swing would cause me back pain. I cut and split a full cord of oak firewood every week so I am in descent physical shape, I just know my limits. I have no delusions of becoming a pro or scratch golfer, I just want to get around the course with some consistency and see how good I can score. I was an arm wrestler years back so my arms and shoulders are strong, I incorporate a bit more shoulder turn than Jim perhaps. I'm no long hitter off the tee with my 3 wood but I'll take 220 off the tee straight down the fairway rather than 260 into the woods. Guys that can pull off the PGA style swing are amazing and I respect that, but for me, it's not happening. Maybe some will say it's limiting my potential to use Jim's swing but I know it's not because I could not practice as much or be as consistent with a traditional swing. Jim's swing will help you stop duffing quicker, I'll tell you that !!
  12. I agree, but he could be talking about anything in which you want to become an expert or world class. Math, science, literature, music, you name it. You're going to be spending a lot of time alone. IMO, when he says alone, he doesn't necessarily mean not in the company of others. He said he spent a lot of time on the driving range - I am sure there were others there, it's just that he sacrificed being with friend and family to become as good as he could be. For most of us, being with strangers is like being alone. Talent is necessary but not sufficient. Work ethic and personal sacrifice is necessary, but not sufficient. It's some combination of those that stands out.
  13. I'm a single digit hdcp and I use D,4,5,7,9 woods 5-pw,gap, and sw. I am a short hitter but I am a straight hitter. I can hit it longer than I do but I score better hitting it straight. I keep saying I will get hybrids to replace my 7 and 9 wood but I love these clubs. They have served me well over the years. Learn how to chip and pitch and know when to do each. That got me from the 80s to the 70s. And forget the lob wedge unless you hit the ball like a pro. And hit the 3 wood whenever you need to on par 4s. Remember, A good man knows his limitations...DH.
  14. If your doing a workout that's taking a lot out of you, don't play that day. I had a killer workout this past Monday and I played 9 a few hours later. My game was a little " off" and I definitely think the workout had something to do with it. Most days I can do both but when I notice some shots going where they never go, I have no doubt it's fatigue.
  15. Your swing has no turn to the hips or shoulders. Do you know where "power", or more accurately clubhead speed, comes from in the golf swing? The answer is in using the entire body to create tension and "lag" in multiple areas that can be used to snap each piece into place faster than if there was no tension. The hips being ahead of the shoulders creates tension in your abs, lats, traps, and obliques - tension that can be used to help "pull" your collarbone to rotate faster than it could on its own. Your arms folding across your body puts more tension on the lats and traps, as well as increasing tension in the rhomboids, triceps, deltoids, teres major, and rotator cuff muscles (supraspinatus, infraspinatus, teres minor, and subscapularis) primarily on the side of the leading arm (left side for right-handed golfers). All this allows the arms to rotate faster than they would otherwise. When you hinge your wrists you put tension into primarily the flexor carpi ulnaris, helping to pull the wrist straight again and rotate the clubhead faster than your hands alone can move. Back down below the hips, your legs can increase the speed of the forward hip rotation with the tension applied to the gluteal muscles in combination with using the quads to snap the leg into a straightened position. The gluteus maximus pulls the lead thigh backwards, while the quads pull the lead leg straight (pulls the whole leg behind you, dragging the hips from in front) and the quads of the rear leg push it straight (with the hip flexors moving the thigh towards your front) as a means of using the trail leg to "push" the hips faster. This is made possible by a squatting motion at the top of the downswing and an extension of the legs (alongside those thick glutes pulling the front thigh back and the hip flexors pulling the rear thigh forwards). All of this tension is introduced to the various muscle groups during the normal/"traditional" backswing, which serves the purpose of storing energy much like what would happen if you stretched a spring or an elastic band. Unlike a spring or elastic band, however, our muscles can also contract on their own and actively pull instead of only passively pulling in response to being stretched. The swing you teach, @Jim Venetos, does not store as much energy during the backswing as a traditional golf swing. You do not move your legs or hips at all during the backswing, and only barely move the shoulders. All that energy that is stored during the backswing of a normal golf swing is lost entirely, and the muscles used during the downswing do not have as much leverage to be able to rotate your body and club through the ball as quickly. Here's a comparison of how much/where energy is stored at the top of the backswing for your swing versus a traditional swing: Note that in purple I'm specifically referencing the amount of arm rotation relative to the shoulders. You both have about the same angle between your shoulders and your arms. McIlroy has more energy from his arms being rotated further behind the ball, however, but this is covered in the other points. Here's a comparison of those two swings again, except this time at impact and including context from the motion of the downswing: You're only swinging with your arms and a little bit of your shoulders. Rory McIlroy, and others with a traditional golf swing, can utilize the gigantic muscles in their abdomen, hips, and thighs to maximize the power of the golf swing. You remove the motion of half the body in the golf swing. This can simplify the swing, as you intended it to, but it will never result in increased power because you're not utilizing all the muscle groups that you could otherwise use to increase swing speed. Why don't you go ahead and share those clubhead speed numbers achieved by you and your students? I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is and propose the following bet: We both create an video of 3 driver shots in a row on a launch monitor, attempting to fulfill the following goals: Power The swing speed on all 3 shots should be 120 mph or higher Accuracy The difference in carry distance between the longest and shortest shots should be no more than 20 yards This filters out big mishits that result from swinging beyond your abilities The horizontal distance between the furthest left and furthest right shots should be no more than 35 yards This is the width of an average fairway This filters out uncontrolled hooks and slices that result from swinging beyond your abilities Video No cuts or editing that would make it possible to edit separate swings into a single attempt Video must visually show the speed, carry distance, and horizontal dispersion for each shot This can be shown in a single graph at the end of the 3 shots or individually for each shot I will post my video on YouTube and publicly share it in this thread Your video can be of either you or one of your students, so long as the person in your video uses your swing technique If you would rather not post it publicly, you are more than welcome to post it as a private YouTube video and send the link to access that video in a PM directly to myself and a second site moderator/staff member The second site moderator/staff member should be sent the video just so they can verify the results - I will be honest about what I see, but this can give you extra assurance that I have honest intentions If it is a video of a student, you're welcome to protect their anonymity by placing a black block over their head/face so long as we can still see their swing mechanics Both videos must be created within 2 weeks of you accepting the bet This gives you time to record it yourself or find a student willing to help you Unlimited attempts are allowed, so long as each attempt is 3 swings in a row I will give you very generous terms for this bet as well. The terms of the bet's payouts can be seen below, with all situations assuming that all video requirements are met unless stated otherwise: I pay you $40 if You meet the power, accuracy, and video requirements - it doesn't matter what my video looks like I fail to produce a video that meets the video requirements I pay you $20 if You meet the power requirement - even if you fail the accuracy requirements - and I cannot meet the power requirement myself I pay you $10 if You meet the power requirement - even if you fail the accuracy requirements - and I meet the power requirement but fail the accuracy requirements You pay me $40 if I meet all requirements and you fail the power requirement Nobody pays anybody if Anything else happens The only way for you to lose money is if I am 100% successful in meeting both power and accuracy requirements and you are unable to back up your bold claims about not losing power to a traditional swing. If you truly believe what you teach, put your money where you mouth is and take this bet with me. I have the advantage of youth, which is why I'm letting you have favorable terms for the bet AND letting you pick any person who uses your swing methods. When it comes to the power of your swing method, this is all I have to say: Put up or shut up
  16. Can be a common mistake for golfers to slide their hips back and/or not turn them enough on the backswing. The rear hip has to keep "cranking" back, helps sequence the arms with the torso turn and sets up a lot of good pieces to achieve Key#2 (weight forward at impact). To do this the lead knee has to increase in flex and rotate inwards a bit as the rear leg decreases in flex. Note that due to this "knee linkage" each player's hips are level at A1 (address) and their rear hip is higher than their lead hip at A4 (top of the backswing). You'll also notice that each player has their rear hip pocket reach the center line. If you wanted to check these alignments for yourself but it's a pain in the butt (pun intended) to film a posterior view, you can check it like this. At A1 the rear hip joint is over the rear foot and at A4 it will be inside the rear heel (half a ball to a ball).
  17. Trade that 52* wedge for a 50*.
  18. 40-45 yards seems like a huge yardage gap between your PW and 52. What is the loft on your PW? Maybe find you a used 48 deg or something for $25-$30. Quickest way to pick up 15 yards to get you to 100 y.
  19. Another decent book on Hogan's swing was written years ago by Jack Schlee titled "Maximum Golf". Probably not as fine tuned as today's modern scrutiny, but was pretty informative back then.
  20. hi @ChetlovesMer thanks for your reply. Yes I have played with 3 sets to date. The Spalding, Adamsgolf Idea A-something (which I kind of loved for the reason the flight was quite great but I wasn't a fan of how they sat on the ground with the huge head - it affected my grip somewhat). Lastly, I hit a few shots with some Mizuno blades and absolutely loved the sound and feedback they gave me but they are quite punishing on bad strokes. Given that I have been thinking of taking a risk and getting some blades as I see they are what low handicappers use, but i'm not sure how wise that would be and whether one can grow into them ---- and lastly, if that is provides the shortest route to getting real good.
  21. You must define "pretty" very broadly, because you said: That isn't the median performer in the stat, and 56% is not "well less than half" by any definition. Just say you had a brain fart and move on. There are plenty of other stats which show what you're trying to say. Switch to those. Fairly common for people to be bad judges of distance, yeah. An eight foot putt isn't all that long, and good amateurs make them 45% of the time, and miss 55% of the time (give or take a few % points). I wrote up more about this in other places, but you're missing a few things, too: People over-estimate how good PGA Tour players are at putting. People give more weight to the last shots they make because they're closer to determining their final score for the hole. Recency bias, kinda. People are really really bad at understanding partial strokes lost. If they're going to average 4.2 on a hole, and they hit their ball into the left rough near the trees so they can't play their normal slice second shot, they might lose 0.5 strokes there. Then they slice one up to the right green side rough, losing another 0.2 strokes. Then they chip it out to 15' and two-putt, losing maybe 0.1 strokes and scoring a bogey. They blame the missed 10' putt because they had a "chance" to save par… never mind that they would have had to hit a stroke gaining shot somewhere in there, because after their tee shot they're staring 4.7 in the face. People like to blame the short game for the same reasons they like to blame the mental game: because it seems like something that if they really wanted to fix, they could do so easily. (Yet they never do.)
  22. Yes I was misreading, but what I said still hold pretty true, 56.12 is about half. So if you were an absolutely fantastic putter you would make slightly more than 6 out of ten putts from 5-10'. Thats not a lot considering 10' is pretty close to the hole relatively speaking. Thats a whole different subject though. Have you ever noticed when people talk about putts they missed they often under exaggerate the distance? For instance the guy I played with the other day after the round told the guys he missed 5 putts under 5'. I don't think he missed any putts under 5', his misses were all 7'-12' or more. I know men are poor judges of length 😏, but I truly think the perception of missing short putts stems from this. I believe the belief that places more importance on the short game comes from common misperceptions: People have warped perception of how many putts they should/could make from any given distance. People have warped perception of the short game and believe they should/could get up and down 100% of the time. People believe they are missing easy 3 footers when in truth they are missing 6 footers which are much more difficult and have a much lower make percentage. Am I way off base here?
  23. It's really easy for everyone to dismiss Jim's methodology. Here's what I have been through. I play to around 10-12. Whenever I play a tournament I play to 18+ I struggle with atleast 1 triple and a couple of double bogeys every round. In my mind I am way better than I play but lack consistency. Am good at chipping and have really improved my putting using an unconventional method. What I figured was my long distance wood/iron play completely lacked consistency. And as the round came to close I would get worse. Also I would every now and then hit weak fades with my woods, lack consistency with my hybrids. Could never hit a 3,4,5 irons. But was good with my 8,9,pw. Lastly I would have many swing thoughts which by the time came to hitting the ball I would lose steam. Out of desperation to get rid of my over the top swing I came across jims YouTube video. I tried it at the practice range gave me almost the same distance as my normal swing but with a little more consistency on the first day itself. I took it to the course. I found the same distance with a huge jump in consistency and ball striking. My fault was I still would fall back to my old method for a few shots. Over the years have come to realise that no matter who the coach is some of the things will work for you and some will not. I still use my old method for driving but from a 3 wood to a pitching wedge I find Jims method great and a lot less strenuous on my hip and back. Over a month am very impressed with the distances. It's increased by an iron. More than the distance I find from a habitual slicer have been able to hit the ball straight. I get approximately 160 yards carry with my 7. I've never hit my 3 wood so consistently as do now. I do not use his methods for chipping or for putting. What I am trying to say is whoever you maybe and if you been struggling this is worth a shot. The golf swing is very complicated for most of us. The weight shift, the timing , the tempo, the positions etc. If this method works for you you'll end of thanking Jim, if it doesn't you can always go back to your normal Swing. I am going to work on Jim's swing till I know what's a keeper and what's not, as of now am just surprising alot of my friends with my shot making.
  24. If the debate is about the advantage of being a long hitter vs a short hitter, I have no argument. But if this debate includes higher cappers and how to make choices on the course, I can only discuss my game. The fact is, swinging for maximum distance does bring about more penalties (for me). I don't think you have to hit every other shot into the woods to lose more strokes than the longer club needed on the second shot resulting from shorter drives kept in play. I don't disagree with the fairway vs rough argument. I wouldn't be surprised if I hit just as many pars from tee shots into the rough as I do from fairways hit. But for some of us high cappers, keeping the ball in play is a very real challenge. It seems at least as important to my score as the need to use as short of a club as possible on the following shot.
  25. Rogue X yielded more distance and more accuracy? What was the question?
  26. This post kind of proved that how there are very few fundamental truths in golf. Flaring the left foot I can understand, but I play much better with my right foot square, it kind of locks me down into an athletic position. But then again, for some people, flaring out the right foot might help them. Different strokes for different folks.
  27. If you can only reach one of the par 4's in regulation, I think you should move up to order tees. My only eagle came from holing a long greenside bunker shot on a par 5.
  28. So I moved to Portland a year ago but didn't get to play at all last winter. Plus last winter was historically dry here, and the courses I got to play last summer were all well drained and well dried out by the time I was playing. I've now gotten to play 9 holes a few times this winter, which leads to a question about wedges. I've been using the same 60˚ for years now, and I've always loved it. Use it for almost all shots under ~80 yards, almost all shots around the green, when I'm playing regularly have it really dialed in (for my handicap), pretty rarely thin it and (literally) almost never hit it fat. I don't know the bounce, but it's definitely (very?) low bounce. This history was all in southern California where conditions tend to be firm. This past weekend I played 9 holes at a wet, soft course. With swings that felt great to me, with good lies in both tight grass and first cut light rough, I chunked most of my wedge shots around the green, and a couple partial swing shots from further out. I was by myself and just playing a practice round, so I was playing multiple balls on many shots. The only way I could not end up taking a big chunk of mud starting before the ball and hitting the ball 25% as far as I wanted was to play a steep chip shot, ball back a bit in the stance, hands forwards, try to hit ball before ground (i.e., try NOT to use the bounce, against what I've trained my short game swing towards). So my question, is this just an outlier, as in the course was SUPER wet and soft and soggy, and in those conditions you just can't use bounce and have to try to hit ball first short game shots, regardless of club setup? Or is this proof of the concept that wedge setup should be determined by predominant conditions, and I should invest in a high bounce 60˚ for all but the driest summer months?
  29. Probably because of the small towns I frequent I run into singles of every stripe, they are always there. Usually late afternoon and walking. Couple weeks ago I ran into a single female golfer named Betty. She was playing reds, struggling and then some. It was obvious she was really trying to stay ahead of me. On the 5th tee she had no more room to avoid me so I drove up. It was then I saw she was older, much older than I thought. I was very happy to see her so I was overly enthusiastic with my greeting. After some small talk she asked if I would like to see her medal. I said of course and she pulled from her bag a gold medal from the 2015 CO senior Olympics. I swear I choked up a bit, story was she was the only one in her age group (85). I Offered to play with her but she declined. I shot one over par that day and I saved the ball and wrote her name on it. Corny I know but it made me happy.
  30. Sounds like a golfer trying to get better, good on her. I travel a lot for work. I go out to eat often, the women who do the same job tend to order in. Unfortunately a single woman in many situations, that men are nonchalant with, feel uncomfortable.
  31. How does foundation translate to power? I could squat really low and have my legs far apart. That would be much better foundation than either position you posted. Is that going to be better for golf? Quote: You can prove this to yourself with what I call the “vertical jump test.” Place your feet shoulder-width apart with your feet pointing straight ahead. Now jump straight up in the air. Next, flare your feet out to the sides at, say, a 25-degree angle. Now jump up again. That felt different, didn’t it? With your feet flared out, your arches were longer and weaker – compared to the “straight feet” position the jump felt awkward and weak, right? Now consider the fact that the foot and the hip have strong interaction – they are like dance partners. If the foot is flared out, the hip joint is externally rotated (opening to the outside). The hip is now in a poor position to be loaded. That’s probably what Ben Hogan instinctively was trying to describe when he said “he has to go on a detour out and around his right hip to get past it.”
  32. If you flare your right foot out to the right, the arch lengthens and the inner edge if the foot collapses toward the ground. This is a biomechanical weak position – the arch (and therefore the foot) is no longer providing a great foundation.
  33. I have to disagree with this whole notion. I think the front foot should be flared but not the back foot. http://www.mytpi.com/articles/swing/the_position_of_the_right_foot I looked at videos of Rory, Tiger, Adam Scott, Rickie Fowler, and Jordan Spieth. None of them had their back foot flared.
  34. Took me a little time to find this but here: [quote name="iacas" url="/t/72411/protecting-that-left-knee/18#post_949027"]When we visited Dr. Kwon (a biomechanist near Dallas, TX) he was just in the early stages of doing a trial on whether flaring the feet helps or hurts golfers. Flaring the foot helps reduce rotational torque on the knee, particularly in the follow-through, yet a lot of PGA Tour players play with very square toes. I theorized, and Dr. Kwon liked this possibility, that players square their lead foot in to help slow their rotation during the downswing, then allow it to spin out (some even on their heels a little - as I said it's not always a swing flaw) to reduce pressure from the torque. In other words, they're trying to get the "best of both worlds:" the reduced downswing turning from having it squared in, but then releasing it and letting it turn out so as not to shred their knee during the follow-through.[/quote] Biomechanically I agree you are better off with a flared left foot. PGA Tour pros and good players will have a square foot often so that they do not over-rotate on the downswing (hips too open) yet to relieve STRESS on their knee they will unweight their left foot and let it spin out AFTER impact. The knee can still move up and down.
  35. Thank You for your response. Essentially, I am in agreement with you.Where I am not in agreement with you is "not strain any part of the body" should perhaps be "minimize strain on any part of the body" The golf swing is not an ideal movement for the human body. For the past hundred years this subject has been discussed by how it feels. It should be discussed with advice from experts i.e. a Dr. who understands kinesiology.
  36. For older golfers like myself flaring and or offsetting the feet becomes a function of age, body part aches, arthritis, and bursitis. It is done to favor your body parts to compensate for the pain. How much or how little to flare or offset depends on the pain. Younger golfers can follow your advice. All golfers should consult a kinesiologist before they ruin their joints.
  37. I think the amount of flaring is dependent upon the person's physical build and flexibility.
  38. You are saying that it is only 10* shy of halfway to fully (90*) turned out? Wow, that's a lot. I don't see it. I would have granted you a small amount of right foot flare on this swing by Hogan. For one, camera position appears to be in front of him judging by the apparent ball position as closer to center of stance vs. 2" off his left heel. Forward camera angle would tend to exaggerate the appearance of right foot flare. The more I think about the camera angle, the more it reminds me of the Shell 'lesson' swings where the camera angle is also forward of the left leg, which makes the right foot appear flared, when he is clearly using the 'Five Lessons' model throughout the competition. Also in the video (~1952 Fr. Keller) above he starts with a real toe-out position, but then tucks his R heel in away from the target, significantly reducing the initial flare. It doesn't make sens to me that he would intentionally reduce the flare if he wanted 'a lot' (>0* / >22*) of it relative to his written recommendations.
  39. Outside of 25 feet should be with in 10% of the distance of the putt you hit. So if you hit a 30 footer, then with in 3 feet is good. Putts Made PGA tour level (roughly) 95%+ with in 3 ft 80% 3-5 ft 50% at 8ft 15% from 20ft Practice your lag putting and practice your 3-15 foot putts.
  40. Good on ya for being a + becuz I could set the over under at 10 and take a lot of action on the over with that motion.-lookin forward to seeing the irons
  41. Supposed to get above zero tomorrow here! I won't brave it unless it's above 40, so might be a while.
  42. I wonder if there's any correlation with the advent of the ability to post scores via the Internet and a subsequent reduction in the quality of the peer review process too...... .....in other words, could there be more vanity handicaps out there now than there were previously?
  43. I have forward shaft lean at set-up guy. I have tried the left cupped wrist/handle at zipper way but it never felt quite right.
  44. With the driver, at address, I tilt my right shoulder a bit lower than my left creating about 5-10* spine angle tilt. I tried this earlier w/ irons (not as great of a tilt but still a tilt) and seemed to be hitting cleaner shots. Is this the correct position for addressing irons?
  45. I've been moving the ball more and more forward lately, it just feels natural. Mostly because I'm working on a proper weight shift, and it doesn't feel right having the ball in the middle of my stance, regardless of club. I don't think about where I place my ball, I just put it wherever it feels natural to me. At the moment, the ball is a ball or two inside the left heel.
  46. To answer the both of you... Inward hand path (not too far inward, but again, the list of people who take their hands too far in is zero) is important. I prefer to keep your right elbow fairly well connected to the chest, yes. But no, a connected elbow does not mean you can't extend. Extending is NOT lifting. LIFTING is what pulls the right elbow off the chest most of the time. I posted another thread about the Swing Extender a long time ago. If you push with extensor action to try to keep your arm straight, you'll maintain good width, your right elbow will NOT collapse to less than 90°, and your swing will stop at the proper point.
  47. I don't remember reading it here, but you don't teach as a profession do you? I have two students that are extremely uncoordinated, and as luck would have it, I have them back-to-back on the same day. Just today as a matter of fact. So this topic is very fresh in my mind. My first lesson releases/rolls his hands far too much through impact. While the other does the polar opposite and just doesn't seem to want to do it at all. It is by no means horrible, terrible nor bad advice. This release or roll is precisely what one student is missing and precisely what the other can't quite control yet. While you may not think it works for your swing, you can't discount it as a teaching aid for others. You even said it yourself "Not until the ball is long gone and both arms are extended." Maybe the instructor you listened to didn't clearly express your point of view of proper release. Or maybe you didn't catch it when he said it. I think a good instructor would be able to express the proper use of these terms. The golf swing is about as intricate an activity that one can try to learn. Finding the right words to get the body to follow is a hard thing to do. And using the terms "releasing" or "rolling" the hands is a pretty understandable way of stating a physical act for a student to try to perfect. I try to keep my lessons simple and in plain English. Phrases the students can follow without getting involved in too much intricacy. You may hate it, but it works.
  48. I really like that statement. Im not going to make the same situational arguments as everyone has before, but i will say i believe the short and the long game are equal.
  49. I believe the short game is WAAAY more important as far as lower scores. If you can't put the ball on the green and putt it in the cup, what the heck are you playing for? Its about getting the ball in the cup. Even if go OB off the T, and lose 2 strokes, or. . .let's say you drive a 285 yd. par4, and your putter simply sucks--takes you 3 putts to get in, maybe 4 if you suck as bad as most of the monster long hitters I see playing. The guy who hits a 200yd drive and sticks a LW from 85 yards to 5 feet and works his putter like a magic wand, is probably going to end up with a better score than you. I'm 37, can only hit about 33% of my fairways with my driver, but I can work the wedges, shorter irons, and putter. I know that's what keeps my scores in the 80's.
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