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  1. I'll take the bet. It would be quite a story to tell in prison.
  2. Yeah, I get that. I’d be tempted, but realistically even if the odds for me were dead even, the upside isn’t worth the downside. 5 years in prison would have a much larger negative impact on my life, than $5 million would have in improving it.
  3. I spent the better part of two days conducting this test last summer. I tested a few situations: In chart form: And for those who like the visuals… I used a PerfectPutter and positioned it far enough away that the ball wasn't bouncing at all but close enough that the ball wouldn't deviate too far from the intended line.1 I used Snell MTB Black balls. The flagsticks were standard Par-Aide fiberglass flagsticks. It wasn't windy, but there was often a little breeze.2 I tested on the flattest section of the greens I could find. The actual holes were as level as could be. Rolling the ball from close distance minimizes this anyway. I rolled balls from all around the hole so as not to overly damage one portion of the hole. Also, little "tracks" can form even after a few putts, so I wanted to balance that out as much as possible. The flagsticks were relatively centered in the hole, with only a little "wiggle room." I did not measure how far away the balls that didn't go in ended up; I considered it pretty obvious that a ball that hits the flagstick is going to finish closer to the hole than one that doesn't. This was clearly the case. I alternated five ball rolls with the flagstick in, five without. Then five without, and back to five with it in again. On putts where results seemed highly variable, I rolled more putts - up to 100. On putts that were a given (like 3' by speed at the center of the hole), I rolled fewer putts; as few as 10. I conducted the test on different holes and from different angles. I simply moved on when I felt I'd rolled enough balls at the holes that I could start to see a change to the lips, like some of the balls were "denting" or "rounding" the lips a little. I used holes where the lips appeared to be somewhat uniform (though obviously the specific soil density can vary around even a uniform looking hole). Stimp speeds were 9.75 to 9.9 feet. Distances off-center were done with a centered laser calibrated to aim straight (angular error in the laser was oriented upward) with a ruler across the hole, confirming both the proper hole dimensions and the distance off-center. I tried to roll balls from the same spot(s) on the PerfectPutter, but obviously there was some little error there - a few millimeters. I never rolled more than five balls at a time - and no balls ever hit a ball or balls in the hole and bounced out because of that. If balls did pile up on one side or in the front or back of the hole, I'd remove them. This rarely happened, though, as the holes are deep enough and only four balls would be in the hole when the fifth ball was rolled anyway. I'll add more information if I remember anything relevant. 1 Even with the PerfectPutter, you often can't make more than half of the 20-25 foot putts you roll across a real green. Just the tiniest deviation, hitting a bump slightly differently, can magnify over the duration of the putt and miss high or low even though you're trying to release the ball from the same exact spot on the PP. 2 One of the putts that almost surely would have gone in (as 98 others did) I felt was knocked away by the wind moving the flagstick at just the right time. Conclusions Leaving the flagstick in helps quite a bit, particularly on shots that are at the edges of capture speed/effective hole size. For example, at 4' by speed and 3/4" off-center, that's just beyond the capture size (only 8/100 went in) without the flagstick, but the flagstick took enough speed off that a 44/100 putts dropped with the flagstick in. At 3' by speed, the capture width of the hole is about 0.8 to 0.85" wide: wide enough for all of the 3/4" putts to go in, but few of the 1" putts. With the flagstick in, the 3/4" putts still went in, but the 1" putts that just nicked the flagstick scrubbed enough speed from the ball that a few more (14/50) putts went in. The largest percentage gain was the 6' speed at 1/2" off-center. At this distance from the center, only one putt went in (I would swear that I rolled it like all the others, but sometimes a putt that would have popped up and out hit some part of the hole just right and popped up and fell in), but since the contact with the flagstick (look at the image above) was still pretty flush, a lot of speed was taken from the ball and 45/100 fell. This is still fewer than half, but because the 1/100 is so low, the percentage is the largest. Similar inferences can likely be made on the 5' by putts - at 1/2" it's awfully close to the edge of the capture width of the hole, and at 3/4" is pretty much beyond it (again, though, a pesky 1/100 putts went in). These low make percentages without the flagstick make it possible for the delta between the flagstick in vs. out to be in the upper 30s to lower 40s.
  4. The 2019 Newport Cup Las Vegas, NV* So, just a quick note to say that @mvmac and I are looking at having the 2019 Newport Cup, a six-on-six Ryder Cup-style event in mid- to late-October, 2019 in or very near to Las Vegas, NV. Follow this topic if you'd like to stay apprised, and begin thinking of what you might say in your candidate video. * The event as a whole and the location are both tentative but likely at this point. All are encouraged to apply, but teams will likely still be comprised of 10 handicappers or less (it simply makes everything easier). While we'll encourage as many new players, we're not opposed to players making their second or third recent appearance. Costs will likely be the same as the last time - about $750-800 plus however you choose to get there. Regarding "goodies" we're not looking to top what we've done in the past, but Mike and I like goodies too. 🙂 Competition time frame is mid- to late-October, 2019, with teams chosen by mid-August. Format will likely be similar to 2017, with some small changes likely coming to the "Challenge Ball" idea. I may update this bullet list as I think of other things, or things change. That's all I have for now. You can't officially begin applying now, but you can denote your interest, and you can "follow" the topic so that you get instant updates. https://thesandtrap.com/newport-cup/ Edit: Add the appropriate "Candidate" badge/award to yourself here: https://thesandtrap.com/forums/topic/99617-2019-newport-cup/?do=findComment&comment=1421967 Thank you!
  5. 8 points
    Dr. Sasho Mackenzie had a quote in the March issue of Golf magazine that I liked. Listen, there'll always be science-deniers and the belief that none of what I or other researchers do is necessary. They're going to be eroded away. There'll be fewer and fewer of these people once the community realizes that science and technology are simply about learning and understanding better ways to swing a golf club. I no longer feel bad for the instructors who fight it, because the information's out there. If they've got a theory that's different from mine, fine. I'm open-minded. I'll listen. Maybe I've made a mistake, but if they don't have an argument other than, "I believe in my method," then okay. I can't do anything else. We can't have a logical debate. I just feel bad for the golfers they're teaching. Emphasis mine. Unfortunately, another quote applies: You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
  6. Winter golf in the Frigid Mitten involves finding an open course, dressing in layers and accepting sub-optimal conditions. One won't get much roll in the fairway Casual "water" can be an issue And the greens will have some loose impediments Digging your ball out of a bad lie can require a bit of club cleaning Unless it is snowing, the courses can look very playable And you run the risk of running into some crazy old guy wandering around on the course. [Photos taken 2/5/2019 at Huron Hills Golf Course, Ann Arbor, MI]
  7. “That Rule is So Unfair!” A Rules Geek’s Generalized Guide to Hot Takes and Overreactions | Rules Geeks I apologize for the length of this post. If I had more time I’d have written a shorter one. – Erik J. Barzeski “That Haotong Li penalty was an outrage! He didn’t gain an adv… My reasons against a lot of the "hot takes" by fans over rules issues are: They Get The Rule Wrong They Don’t Appreciate that Rules Cover Many Situations They Don’t Understand the Reasoning Behind the Rules They Don’t Understand the Underlying Principles They Misuse the Word “Fair” They Assume Intent Matters They Think “The Spirit of the Rule” Matters They Side With the Players Take a few minutes to read it. I'd love to hear what y'all think (in the comments over there).
  8. To me, a pro not knowing the rules is like an accountant not learning about the new tax laws. When they don't understand the rules, they feel dumb and go on the attack, "rules are unfair", it's just ignorant.
  9. Yes indeed, what a great game golf is and a game that, for the most part can last a lifetime. I'm a senior golfer living in central British Columbia and I finished the last season with a nine handicap. I'm a member of a semi private club, the golf course plays to a par 71 and is always in beautiful condition. Our course is heavily bunkered and water comes into play on numerous holes. I started swinging a golf club when I was around 6 or 7, I lived on a small island off the coast of Scotland and in the mid 50's golf was only for the well to do folks. Our home backed onto the only golf course on the island so I was able to sneak on, find a couple of balls under the gorse bushes and whack away. I'm in my early 70's fully retired now and I will play around 12 rounds a month. Last Summer I had a ten day period where I just simply played the best golf of my life, I shot my age four times and bettered my age ( 73 ) twice ,,, totally unexpected but as we all know " on any given day " ,, I mean it didn't take long to get back to normal scores ( my average would be around 77 ). I'm extremely thankful for what I have, my wife who is not a golfer is my biggest fan I tee it up regularly with a super group of guys and we are basically all in the same handicap range. We have 112 senior members at my club and only 18 with single digit handicaps and last season I won the Super Senior Championship with rounds of 77 - 76. At my wife's encouragement last Winter I was professionally fitted for a set of irons at GolfTec ,,, what a wonderful experience that was. The fitter was one of the best in the Province and we spent a good deal of quality time together. The fitter was absolutely meticulous, I've always been a big fan of Mizuno golf equipment so I chose Mizuno. We narrowed it down to two models, the forged and the " Hot Metal " and I really must say that after testing both seven irons with the same shaft and using my play ball I just couldn't tell the two clubs one from another, I chose the " Hot Metal ". But as we all know it's mostly all about shafts these days, we chose UST Mamiya recoil 95's F4, I was quite surprised when the fitter said we were going with a stiff shaft. He finished the irons off with a Golf Pride MCC Plus 4 grip, they are wonderful grips. I had a set of Pingi3 irons with graphite shafts we checked the degree of loft in my new Mizuno 7 iron against my Pings ,,, identical but I was ten yards + longer with my new Mizunos. Golf ,, so different from other sports, I was a hell of a good right winger in my soccer team years ago but all in all you just can't play that game and many others ( football, tennis, ice hockey etc, etc, ) when you are in your senior years. So roll on the new season, probably around six weeks away, can't wait. I've been blessed with good health and I've had the opportunity to play some great courses over the years ( The Old Course at St. Andrews, Pebble Beach, Turnberry, Royal Troon, La Costa to name a few ). I will make only one change in equipment for the new season, my putter, I've had the same old Nickent " Pipe " putter for ten years and I'd gladly replace it if I could but I've never been able to find a replacement. I came across a Mizuno / Bettinardi mallet style putter that I purchased so that will be about the only change for 2019. In the meantime to those of you that live in warmer climates and are out there hit them long and straight and others like myself waiting for the snow to disappear hang in there ,, won't be long. Oh by the way for lessons on how to dig up a few bunkers and greens check out Mr. Garcia he's a friggin expert at it ,,, the as@#$%e ,,,,, Cheers guys.
  10. 5 points
    I am constantly critiquing myself. I give a lot of good lessons. Lessons about which I feel I did really well. Lessons I'd give myself an "A" for giving; not an A+, mind you, which almost never happens. But As and A-s. And I'm a pretty harsh grader. But today I gave a C+ lesson that I may have recovered and turned into a B+ lesson, if only by recognizing it early enough. The details are unimportant, but basically, I found myself talking about something that was probably priority #3 or #4 for the guy. It had to do with hand speed, when really his focus is on his turn and hip drive/slide. He asked a question, and rather than my usual vocal "That's not something we need to worry about now" (or some variant of that), I answered it. Then when I was done I recognized that I'd said too much, that it was unrelated, and I backtracked a bit by saying something like this: "Look, I just made a mistake, so I'm hoping you can overcome that by forgetting all of what I just said, because it's not related to what I'm trying to get you to do today." Then I spent extra time really simplifying even further and re-iterating the two things I wanted him to focus on quite a bit. More than I might usually do (and I repeat things a lot in a lesson). I think that being very critical of myself is important, and today I slipped into one of the things I'm most likely to slip into: giving away too much information. It's not about the "giving away" - it's about how if the student is only going to remember three things from a lesson, I don't want one of those three things to be the irrelevant stuff where I just talk about swing theory or something that's not super-specific and super-fitting for them right then. I'll probably follow up with the guy later on, too, to re-iterate the two thoughts I want him to focus on even more. 🙂 So, a bad lesson in my mind. The student was happy, but I was beating myself up in my head.
  11. If it made JB Holmes play faster, I'd buy him a track suit to wear!
  12. Also, speaking as a lifelong FL native who grew up in the Panhandle and lives in Central FL, our state is full of nutjobs of every type. Seriously. It's an angry mob of carnies. Now some folks will say they live here and disagree (that's how you know they're one of them).
  13. Not "since he's wealthy," but yes, we "get to judge" how generous he should be with his money like we "get to judge" ... basically anything. Yes. I don't know if "shame" is the word I'd use, but if Company X brings in profit hand over fist and pays its employees the dead-bare minimum, I have no issue with trying my best to steer clear of them.
  14. I'll be following closely. For those who may be new to TST, or who haven't paid attention to previous Newport Cup competitions, I can tell you that this event is just about the most fun I've ever had related to golf. I have met players from all over the country, and I feel like each one became a new friend. Thanks in advance to @mvmac and @iacas for all the hard work I know it must take to put this together. One small detail, Erik, the Newport Cup webpage needs to be updated just a bit, it doesn't show the winner of the 2017 competition.
  15. iacas

    Bunker Question

    You can move a loose impediment in the bunker these days, but not if your ball moves (and not by marking and replacing). If your ball moves when removing a loose impediment anywhere but the putting green or the teeing area, you incur a one-stroke penalty. http://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rules-and-interpretations.html#!ruletype=fr&section=rule&rulenum=15&subrulenum=1
  16. Tonight was my first time doing the protocol in 10 days due to weather, and was really surprised, hit a new all time PR with the green club and it was in the last set of stationary swings at the end, not the step through swings. I figured for sure it'd take a few sessions to work my way back up but doesnt seem like I lost any speed, which might mean the current speed gains I have made have become my new baseline which is really encouraging to see.
  17. Dumb take. Dumb take. In other words… "shut up, guys."
  18. 2. I have a brush on my bag. 7. I have white shorts and a couple white belts. 16. I have alignment sticks, but I play a lot of competitive golf. I once had a guy on the first tee of a tournament, poke fun at me for my white shorts and belt. It went like this: Him: Smartass comment about my golfing attire Me: "Have you ever had a guy in a white belt hit it 50 yards past you and beat you by 15 strokes" Him: "Nope" Me: "Well then you might want to pay attention today" He didn't have much else to say after that and I hit it 70 yards past him and beat him by more than 15 shots. I like my white belt, If you come at me with smartass comment you better have the game to back it up.
  19. 100% chance I try that shot....90% chance I regret it lol.
  20. NOTES FROM TODAYS LESSON PART ONE: BACKSWING STUFF Main Problems: 1. I was over-doing my back leg/hip pivot. My hip is so far to my lead side-I could not bump it toward the target in transition. 2. My neck was kinking to the left causing bad things. Fix: 1. Less extreme back leg straightening (minor) 2. Fix head/neck (major). My feeling- must keep bill of hat “square to the ground”. Also don’t let neck kink left. I actually got a bigger shoulder turn and bigger swing arc when I turned my hips less. Plus it looks much better. As soon as this changed, I felt as if I had a lot more space/freedom to hit the ball. PART TWO: DOWNSWING STUFF MAJOR-Must bump hips toward target laterally-NOT DOWNWARD Very scrunched on the left, pivot slowing down. Feeling: Reverse-C through impact while posting lead leg. Side note: my hips rotated more through impact. This was a side effect. Not an active feeling. Wrists were still flipping too early. Keep club from turning over just a little longer
  21. Y'all can go to hell. Go kick rocks.
  22. 4 points
    I think you summed up the why do use caddies pretty well in three reasons: Pack mule / course maintenance GPS / course scout / game manager Emotional Support / Coaching I think the real question is why do pros maintain a regular caddie as opposed to using someone different each week. I think the answer is obviously NOT #1 and obviously YES to #3. But I think #2 is an interesting issue. I would imagine most tour stops have good local caddies - I must assume that Riviera has some good caddies that really know the course so well they might be an advantage over a regular caddie - think the guy Crenshaw used at Augusta. But I would guess some of the issues with using a local caddie are: 1) there's probably not one for the entire field; 2) how do you know / do you have confidence that you are getting a good one? Still I'm a little surprised no head strong pro has tried the "local caddie" strategy. Maybe because there might be more downside than upside. I don't know if this will work but this links to an article from two years ago where a tour pro talks about what the tour would be like if there were no caddies. Undercover Tour Pro: What If We Had To Play Without Caddies? - Golf Digest Here's the question: What would the World Ranking look like if we had to carry our bags? No caddies. Also, FWIW, there was an interview podcast last year with Webb Simpson's caddie right after he won the Players. He talked about one of the things he does to prepare for a big round is prepare a list of non-golf things to talk about to keep Webb from thinking about golf every minute of the round.
  23. To me, all it comes down to is this: Kuchar, a pretty darn well-off person, had an opportunity to do something nice for someone less well-off than he is - someone who played a part in him winning a golf tournament, and someone he seemed to have a good time with, despite the language barrier, on the golf course for a week - and he decided not to. He fulfilled their agreed-upon obligation, yes, but he could have taken the opportunity to do more and he declined, despite the near-insignificant impact it would have had his own life. That says something about Kuchar's character far more than does him saying "gosh golly" after a missed putt.
  24. https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rule-17.html That quote is from the link, near the bottom of the page- just under the graphics shown. I’m pretty sure this applies, but an expert can certainly correct me if I’m wrong. Looks to me he is allowed to drop in the penalty area. If he doesn’t like the drop, or just wants to abandon playing from the penalty area, he also can take relief outside the penalty area, with additional penalty.
  25. The other day I was playing, and my wife was with me . she was not playing, just driving the cart. I was playing with a couple of strangers, and was holding my own, score wise. My wife was watching, and keeping my score. During our time together during this round, we talked vey little about golf. We spent the time discussing family stuff. Like any family, our family is going through some stuff, both good, and bad. Three family members, representing three generations are dealing with some serious medical issues. Occasionally she would tell me athat I hit a good shot. On other occassions she would look at me, and hold her nose, and laugh a little. On two shots, she was more specific calling me a "lucky shit". As I finished up on the 18th green, and was walking back to the cart, I noticed what appeared to be, my Special Lady wiping a tear, or two from her eyes. I asked what the problem was. She told me it was nothing, that she was just remembering that just a few years ago, she and other experts believed that due to my poor physical health, that golf was not going to be a part my future. The tears were there because she had finally seen, that I had truly beaten the odds. That my passion for the game had helped to make me healthier, beyond medical expectations. The fact that she had me down for a 78, and winning enough skins for a nice lunch together afterwards, was also a plus. We all play this game for various reasons. We all have different styles of play. We all have different abilities. We all take away something different after a round of play. Me, I play to stay healthy, which is a "serious" enough reason for me. The fun part is just extra gravy.
  26. Selection of clubs always has some kind of trade-off, its difficult to keep perfectly consistent yardage gaps between clubs. I've made a choice to keep more wedges, and accept that I have larger yardage gaps at the long end of the bag. On the other hand, its a great idea to be able to hit partial shots with a number of different clubs, especially at the short end of the bag. @chspeed has a couple of great recommendations: identify yardages for different swing feels with the clubs you have buy Lowest Score Wins for great advice about this and other topics around learning and playing the game. Buy | Lowest Score Wins .com Visit the post for more.
  27. I have a temper. Got it from my dad. Not at people, but at situations. Lost keys, dropped glass, missed shot in golf, etc. Short, volatile explosion. Yelling, cursing, throwing objects (not breaking things). I always rationalized it by saying it was cathartic, got it out of my system. What my wife finally made me realize that it wasn't about me, it was about those around me. It made them feel bad, awkward, etc. I finally saw it when I witnessed this type of reaction by a guy I play in a tennis drill class with. I saw my own actions through the eyes of others. It was eye opening. Also, I have had previous heart attacks. Good now, but doctor says to reduce stress. So I did what few do. I changed. I no longer let things get to me. I am calmer. I can't control the action, but I can control my reaction. I get the frustration. But act like a father to be. Your kids watch what you do much more than what you say. My kids, who used to be afraid of making me mad, now say that they are not afraid of my reactions anymore and are proud of my new found restraint. So it is possible to change, you just have to make the decision to do it. Hope Sergio can, but few I know have actually done it. It is hard, but it gets easier the more you do it. Like a swing change, just needs a lot of reps.
  28. Good demonstration of how scientifically illiterate we have become if anyone considers this as even somewhat scientific.
  29. I don't get bothered by athletes (they have their lives, I have mine) but I see how people find him annoying with the whole "scientist" thing. I consider anyone with a career in physics, medical/biological research, most engineering, and many other fields to be more of a scientist than someone with just 3 years as an undergrad physics major. So he does go a bit overboard with the scientific and anatomical lingo, like he's trying to cram his intelligence down your throat. Reminds me of the freshmen engineering students who would do math on their dorm windows like some wannabe Beautiful Mind character only to get a C+ on their Physics 1 exams. My opinion is that a truly smart person can explain a complex issue in a simple manner, not the opposite. Bryson takes 1000 words to say "I strained my shoulder". I don't doubt he loves physical sciences and the data driven/biomechanical focused approach to golf. He's doing his thing and it's working for him, but I don't know if I could sit down for a beer with him...
  30. STATEMENT FROM R&A CHIEF EXECUTIVE MARTIN SLUMBERS ON THE LI HAOTONG RULING Martin Slumbers, Chief Executive of The R&A, said, “We have reviewed the Li Haotong ruling made by the European Tour referees and agree that it was correct. There has been some misunderstanding of the new Rule and I would point out that it is designed to prevent any opportunity for the caddie to stand behind the player as he begins to take his stance. Whether the player intends to be lined up is not the issue. We appreciate that it was a very unfortunate situation yesterday and I completely understand Keith Pelley’s concerns when a Rules incident occurs at such a key stage of a European Tour event but there is no discretionary element to the Rule precisely so that it is easier to understand and can be applied consistently. “We are continuing to monitor the impact of the new Rules but I made it clear to Keith that our focus is very much on maintaining the integrity of the Rules for all golfers worldwide.”
  31. And really, they've had a year and more to voice their opinions to the USGA about the changes. By waiting until now to try these things and voice their dislike is... idk, sad really. Some voice and face to the game of golf, who say the want to help grow the game but didn't for a year and a half that adjustments could have been made. I'm glad the USGA called JT out. It also sets an example for anyone else that may want to try and call them out. JT and others had a lot of time and opportunity to talk to the USGA about these changes.
  32. I was in Tucson last week where they get like 12" of rain per year. I think it rained about every day for maybe a third of that total! Oh yeah, we got snow too on Friday, and the residents I spoke too who had been there a decade hadn't seen anything like it before. Maybe a dusting once or twice before. Here's a shot of a saguaro cactus near the facility I was visiting. The flakes were HUGE, even if you can't really tell. By afternoon, it was pretty much all melted except for the mountain peaks surrounding the city.
  33. What next? Get quality instruction, practice right, practice more, play with folks better than you. If you haven't gotten fit for clubs, make sure you do so. But what's really bothering me is this I-am-busy-monday-thru-friday nonsense. You don't got time for that shit. Marry you a sugar mama and get right to the real business my man. Life's short you know.
  34. Which other rules should not be enforced? If a player breaks a rule, any rule, the penalty should be enforced, all the time. Thank goodness that this rule doesn't mention intent, its really clear and simple.
  35. If any of you are going to the Web.com event this week in Bradenton/Sarasota at Lakewood National...and you have a few minutes... stop by the Volunteer Headquarters which is to the right of admissions and give me a shout. I am working this event all week serving as the Chair of the Volunteer Headquarters team. If you are going you can follow Angel Cabrera, Mike Weir, Ricky Barnes, Mavericak McNealy, .... lots of great players in this first Web.com event in the USA in calendar year 2019.
  36. All I can think for this device is: "Goodbye Mr Bond"
  37. 3 points
    This isn't apart of my normal road to championship stuff, but just something I thought about a lot in the Kuchar caddy payment thread. Part of the Kuchar issue is what role the caddy actually played, in his win. But, it begs the larger question of what does a caddy really do for a Tour player? Besides the normal role of carrying a bag and raking bunkers, etc., a caddy is, imo, in essence a GPS for the player, a support person, and sometimes a coach. Not that the player can't get the info on their own or that they don't already. But, a player does not make it to the PGA Tour because of a caddy. Many of these guys played in college without caddies. They were already top athletes before they decided to hire an extra hand. They made or bought their own yardage books and marked them up with notes during practice rounds, they found their own yardages, they decided what shots to play throughout the round, they played through any emotional stress, etc, all without a caddy to get to where they are. I said before that a caddy is like a GPS. Well, GPS's should be able to speed up pace of play. A player using a caddy should be able to make decisions faster, and I think this is true most of the time. But I'm sure there are cases where the caddy second guesses the player and then they sit there for 5min debating what idea is best. The real question, I think, is how many strokes is gained purely for a caddy helping by way of being a GPS? I'd say it's a pretty small number and definitely not a stroke per round, because all the info given is something the player can already do for themselves and pace of play is laughable on tour. Another part that a caddy helps with is emotion / mental support. Especially for newer players on Tour who may have a lot of jitters, having a support person to keep the noise (distractions like all the bill boards with their name, pic and stats, all the people or audible noises, and then the typical noise like bunkers or hazards to try and ignore) in check can mean something. Keep you focused on the game when needed and not the emotions that come with the game. After a bad shot or maybe in between shots, distracting the player to make them feel more content. A player doesn't want to be on overdrive or pissed, there's a middle ground where the best golf can be played and having a caddy to help keep you there can save one from a stupid decision or rushed swing. Again, how many strokes can be gained from having a caddy for emotional / mental support? I'd say it's definitely higher than the GPS caddy, but still not a lot. The last part a caddy could help with is by being a coach. This could go either way as for how helpful it is. No one should really be trying to change their swing or routine in the middle of a round as it usually creates more problems than it solves. But like in the case of Holmes in the final round this last weekend, the caddy actually helped adjust his set up with his driver in the middle of the round, and he seemed to hit the ball a bit better after that. It's hard to assign a value here to potential strokes gained, because I don't think it's very common. I could be wrong. Either way, most players, I'd assume, have some sort of back up plan should their swing go haywire, so having a caddy there for this purpose may not be needed. As far as the local caddy vs normal caddy topic, from my own experience at Pinehurst #2, the caddy that was given to our group supposedly knew every crevasse and slope but routinely mis-read breaks on the greens. Maybe he was doing a half-assed job intentionally or maybe he really didn't know the course. Either way, he didn't help for being a GPS caddy (because of having a yardage book and rangefinder) and he definitely didn't help for being a support or mental help caddy. My experience is just one example but a local caddy is unlikely to provide any emotional support to anyone unless they know each other, but may help as far as a GPS caddy. For Kuchar's case, he played/walked the course before marking all his notes, etc. I doubt he needed the caddy for helping with GPS-like stuff, and because the two didn't know each other, the caddy wasn't really a support person. He definitely filled the role of carrying a bag and raking bunkers, but there likely wasn't more to it than that. So, what is a caddy worth? Is it worth paying a few thousand dollars a round for the potential stroke(s) gained on the field? I doubt it's a physical issue because those guys could just as easily carry their own super light bag with a few balls, etc (or I assume push carts are acceptable, just frowned upon). Unless you hire a local caddy, you'd have to pay someone a livable wage for them to constantly travel with you. Or maybe it's not about the golf at all, it's about traveling with someone instead of being bored outside of playing. I don't know. Either way, I think caddies play a minimal role in the performance of the player.
  38. Alright. You guys asked for it! It will be a challenge for sure (probably greater than the golf part)...
  39. This^^^ Hitting the occasional ball off the sprinkler head or cart path is a whole different thing from averaging 300. I fail to see how anyone who has the natural ability to hit a golf ball over 300 yards on average could fail to improve to a point better than a 20 handicap. I was a 20 handicap once that could hit the ball 300 yards. I was a 20 handicap for about a week. I was a 15 handicap for about a month. I was a single digit handicap within a few years of picking up the game. Why? because I had the natural ability to hit the ball a long way which means I had the natural ability to do a lot of things well with the golf club. I suppose it could happen, maybe unicorns exist. But I truly believe if you have the ability to swing a golf club well enough to hit a ball 300 yards on average you should be able to improve the rest of your game as well. One skill should translate well into another.
  40. The Newport Cup is on its way to @cipher! I found a perfect box to protect the most valuable non-major trophy around.
  41. For a right handed golfer... During the downswing, the most active muscles are the right subscapularis, the right pectoralis major, right anterior deltoid, right latissimus dorsi, right triceps, and right external oblique - coupled with the (slightly slower) left side infraspinatus and left posterior deltoid. Imagine throwing a frisbee with your left hand. Imagine baseball pitching submarine style with your right side. If you swing an extra driver shaft only with your left hand only and right hand only, you will see the right side is faster. The combination of the two sides creates a swing speed between the high of the right side and the low of the left side... but together, they are faster and more stable and repeatable than a one arm only swing. Weight shift/hips/legs don't really contribute much, but they DO contribute and provide stability. Also... Forearm and hand strength and speed is important. Most important is to ensure that you dont create imbalances that cause injuries. Studies have been done and you can google the info I provided. I have thoroughly researched the hip rotation speed question and have concluded that it is a waste (waist (pun)) of time to focus on drills to increase hip rotational speed. Hopefully this info helps some people searching for the correct approach to swing speed. Overspeed training, stretching, and power training all help tremendously. Hope this helps.
  42. It just a different tournament where the fans gets a bit more importance than in a regular pga tournament. Lets the player do their stuff in a more relax atmosphear and the fans feel less retricted in their behavior on the course. Different don´t mean better or worst, just different.
  43. Personally, I don't care if they had been specifically warned or not. These rules have been available for review for months. I agree with @iacas, this was a correct ruling. If you look at the illustration in the rulebook, you'll see a nearly identical view, with a large red X at the bottom showing that it is not allowed. It is interesting to me that the Euro Tour issued a statement agreeing that the penalty was appropriate, but apparently wants some "leeway" for its officials. I think most of us would prefer rules that draw clear lines, and the Tour wants to add a gray area to this specific rule. Statement regarding Li Haotong penalty There has been much discussion and comment over the past 24 hours on the two-shot penalty given to Li Haotong
  44. 3 points
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