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  1. 4 minutes ago, Big Lex said:

    But your second assertion, "Right...which means...Tiger is wrong..." depends on how you define a correction, etc.

    I think how I defined it was pretty clear, and I'm not particularly interested in going down another one of your "gotta prove Erik wrong" rabbit holes. Particularly since you left out the rest of that paragraph: "He didn't "sense" and then "save" the shot himself. His body may have helped do something in an auto-pilot sort of way (though per below that will have its limitations too), but that's not what's really said."

    The point to be made here is that you cannot consciously make a correction during the downswing. It's too brief.

    4 minutes ago, Big Lex said:

    The implication of saying "Tiger is wrong" is that he thinks he altered his swing, but in reality he doesn't, because his timeline doesn't compute. I'm saying, it's entirely possible - likely even - that in those situations, he does, in fact, make a change in his swing. It's just that the latency of the process fools him into thinking he made the change at the last moment. In reality, he made it much earlier.

    Which is what I said above in the portion of the quote you omitted. Cool.

  2. 1 hour ago, Big Lex said:

    If we presume that the instruction from "mind" to "nervous system" begins at the moment the player has the conscious realization of the fault, then yes - iacas's assertion is correction. The nervous system requires fixed amounts of time for impulses to conduct, and Tiger is subject to the same limits as any of us. In other words, what you are saying is that if you consciously instruct your body make a correction that requires 50 milliseconds to accomplish, but there are only 10 milliseconds remaining until the clubhead hits the ball, your correction simply won't happen.


    1 hour ago, Big Lex said:

    Yet, Tiger and many other golfers insist they can "save" shots, at various stages of the swing. I've seen good players successfully do the "draw - fade" challenge (where you tell them mid-swing what shape you want, and they execute it) when the instruction seems to come too late in the swing.

    I'd be willing to bet that you're remembering that wrong. The instruction has to come around the top of the backswing, because the golfer has to hear the sound, process it, and then send a signal.

    1 hour ago, Big Lex said:

    The vast majority of what our brains do is not within our conscious awareness. What I would hypothesize is going on in these swings is that Tiger's body senses the error early enough in the swing and automatically makes the correction, in enough time for the correction to actually work, but his conscious awareness of the process lags behind the actual impulses. In other words, by the time he becomes aware of the need for correction, his body's automatic circuits have already made the diagnosis and executed the correction.

    Right… which means… Tiger is wrong. He didn't "sense" and then "save" the shot himself. His body may have helped do something in an auto-pilot sort of way (though per below that will have its limitations too), but that's not what's really said.

    I'd be curious too to know how fast even an autonomic type response can be generated and the muscles contract enough to effect a change. Even that will have its limits as to when your body could respond. People who touch hot surfaces still often get a burn… they just don't get a really severe one.

    And the golf downswing, particularly at Tiger's level, is really, really fast.

  3. 2 hours ago, colin007 said:

    Sorry for all the questions, but just to clarify for my own understanding. At A6 you'd want the clubhead in line with the hands? Would just slightly inside the hands be better than slightly outside the hands?

    If the player wants to hit a draw (or a push), sure. It can be slightly out if they want to play a fade or a pull.

  4. 1 hour ago, adam3553 said:

    Its funny but the kid in the pictures here look very similar to me except my right foot doesnt come up on my downswing.

    That's the next thing he has to work on… though it's not too important, and he can do it really well the first time you tell him to. It's just what he's always done. It's not too bad for him, but if he can clean these other things up, it may be his priority.

  5. 38 minutes ago, Dave325 said:

    Great information on the backswing. I equate a good backswing to getting the pole position on a NASCAR race day... It sets me up for a better chance for the win. So, if you were going to assemble a "quick checklist for elements of a good backswing".... What would that look like?

    My real checklist is one item long:

    • Puts a player in a good position to begin the downswing.

    In deciding that I look at other things: elbow location and amount of bend, amount of turn, tilts, etc. But there's really not a checklist without being vague like "right elbow in a good position, bent but not too bent." That sort of thing.

  6. 22 minutes ago, natureboy said:

    I recently saw an interview about Jack's 1-iron a Pebble Beach and think he said he made a correction from the top when he felt he had taken it back too far inside or something.

    Pros today (and in the past, etc.) will say they "saved" a shot "at impact" or late in the downswing. It's simply not possible. At the top? Sure. Because you feel something weird in the backswing? Absolutely.

    12 minutes ago, WUTiger said:

    "Sooner or later, you just have to step up there and hit the ball!" 

    What does that have to do with this post, John?

  7. I don't think so. I'm basing this off:

    This doesn't look like a palmy right-hand grip to me:


    There's still a pretty good angle between the shaft and his forearm, and his left hand isn't palmy. The right frame just shows how typical his follow-through looked. You can see a little bit of the "Natural Swing Moe" in that one, but it's closer to a "conventional" swing for the time.

  8. People don't seem to get that Moe's swing was pretty darn normal for the bulk of his life up until he was getting pretty old. He was talked into the thicker grips, and the more palmy grip, for example. Later in life. His swing when he was trying to play the PGA Tour (a little) was pretty typical of everyone else's swing.

  9. 5 hours ago, kpaulhus said:

    How do you stay encouraged when you're not hitting it well on the range?

    I don't care. My goal is not to "hit it well on the range" when I'm practicing. My goal is to improve, to change the picture, to learn what something feels like. Sometimes my range sessions consist of me hitting big huge over-draws. Or shanks, like I said above.

    5 hours ago, kpaulhus said:

    One thing I have been working on is rotating my hips and it is helping me keep from hooking the ball, but my instructor says "great shot" or "solid contact" when I block it right. I guess avoiding the left side of the range is the goal, but how do you feel confident during the times when you know you're changing, but its not "good" yet. 

    Practicing isn't playing golf. When I play, my goal is not to "practice" properly, it's still to shoot a good number, so I just play golf. Yeah, sometimes that's with a swing thought (well, always, but it may not always be exactly what I was working on during practice).

    4 hours ago, saevel25 said:

    First, ones dedicated to changing your swing. 

    Yes. That's what this post is about. This post is not about warming up.

    4 hours ago, nevets88 said:

    Now the guy next to you will see you're fatting/thinning/shanking shot after shot and will try and give you a lesson. That, I'll leave at your discretion how to handle.

    That's the only downside. Plus, as instructors, sometimes it's good advice to do these range sessions around students who already know you, or alone… as - right or wrong - a student who sees an instructor hitting shanks is probably not keen on taking a lesson with that instructor. :-)

    4 hours ago, Phil McGleno said:

    Could not have said it much better myself.


  10. 1 hour ago, rkim291968 said:

    It is amazing how many people around me (in Silicon Valley, working for a Fortune 50 company) have enough money to retire but can't bring themselves to retire. Some truly love their job. For others, job IS their life. Others worry about uncertainty of losing the income, especially, with children to support, send to college.  

    I don't know that I'll ever truly "retire."

    I like what I do.

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