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Just now, ncates00 said:

That's smart.  Seems a bit tedious to the player though if they have to track it and send it.  Or is the data auto collected and sent to the cloud or something or other?  

They all have online accounts.

1 hour ago, Papa Steve 55 said:

Never offered my opinion on what anybody else should do, just what I do.

Okay.

You didn't say it was the point for you, so I'm sure you could see how what you wrote could be read as saying it's "the point" for everyone.

Generally speaking, to everyone… if you don't want gimmes to be given to you, just say "I like to putt out." I putt out in tournaments, and often take away three footers or so when I'm playing casually. It saves time and I make them 99% of the time anyway, so… yeah.

Give yourself gimmes, don't give yourself gimmes. Whatever floats your boat. The point of golf is for most everyone here to have fun. You're playing it recreationally. Whatever lets you have fun, play at a good pace, etc. - good for you!

41 minutes ago, nevets88 said:

I wonder if it Trackman and Flightscope archive launch monitor data from LPGA players for informational, historical, research purposes, or to sell it. 

As part of the discount they get, they have to give Trackman their data. I think it may be anonymized somewhat, and FlightScope may have a similar deal.

Day 277 - Sept 30, 2020

Got in some good work with a 3I, 6I, and 9I earlier today after a lesson.

More of the same, as usual: hands feel like they go away from me, stay in front of me, and go up a little. Half swing. Then go as hard as I can down, with my collarbones.

4 hours ago, Papa Steve 55 said:

Even in a friendly I put mine in the hole unless I'm maxed out, which I usually don't get to. I mean, that is the point after all.

I mean, who could say?

The point for some people is to be outside, drink beer, get away from their wives, and have some fun with their buddies.

Putting everything out for a 100% legit score might be twelfth on their list of "points."

Yeah, as they get more money in the game, they start to also splurge on things like this.

Also, it could be:

• A Trackman data gathering session.
• The club's, which they're loaning out to a few people.
• An instructor's, which he's sharing.
• A group Trackman partially owned by several players.

You can put a 2' piece of cross netting along the top if you think it's a concern. PGA Tour players don't launch their lob wedges over 45° though. Nobody should, really.

34 minutes ago, Grinde6 said:

Also, if anyone has a Mevo+ to sell, I am in the market and ready to buy...the website has a 14 week delay.

You can pay $2500 to $3k on eBay.

Probably worth waiting. Use the link in the sidebar, please. I think I'll get like $10. 😄

1 hour ago, khalespace said:

My swing was very flat, too much upper body turn, with no weight shift during backswing[as shown on pressure mat]. At impact I am flipping with chicken wing.

My instructor is helping me with:

1) More weight shift at start of swing, feel more weight on right foot during backswing. 

2) Turn with left shoulder rather than arm take away, left shoulder pointing to ball.

3) More upright backswing with bowed left wrist at top, this also helps to limit excessive body turn that doesn't store power

4) Weight shift from right to left in lower body, hit half swing stinger shots

 

On my own, I am trying these steps [tips from Youtube] in addition to what the instructor told me to do:

1) Try to emulate the desire swing in slow motion, 100 to 200 reps a day. Often with eyes closed to improve feel. Increase speed of the swing without ball.

2) Try to keep maximum angle [between club and left arm] at backswing, and slow swing into impact bag while maintaining lag

3) I just ordered the Tour Striker club as suggested by Swede - I think the idea is valid

4) I will try more forward shaft lean suggested by Ncastes00

Two things, and I'm going to be blunt, but bear in mind these two things before I share my two things:

• I don't know you, your instructor, etc. I could very well be wrong.
• I'm trying to help.

My two things are:

• I don't know what your instructor is thinking, but one of the biggest parts of my job and one of the things I feel I do well is to prioritize. Your instructor is having you work on (let me count…), 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 things. If that list is chopped into thirds, that's still probably too many things to tackle at once.
• Now you're going to add to that list by adding random YouTube videos and suggestions from folks who mean well here on TST?

Just say no to all of it.

Find your single, one priority thing (setup doesn't count - you can do five things at setup and take your time to get them right). One dynamic thing. And work your ass off on that one thing.

6 hours ago, ChetlovesMer said:

AND, I've I've never played it while it was soggy.

I’ve heard that’s the perpetual state of the course.

It hadn’t rained in weeks when we played.

What is going to hit the ceiling? A club? What is the height of your ceiling?

Okay, a couple of things.

1. To clarify the earlier stuff about the wrist hinge stuff, it used to be that you'd hinge immediately and this threw off some parts of the backswing. It's just about how you start the backswing, not the first half or 2/3 of the backswing:

2. Can we get some video of what you're doing now, without the drills, to see? I think you're still on the right track, but I'd like to confirm.

10 hours ago, Piz said:

I opted for 100-110.  I would like to think I could scrape together a round in the 90's but it would likely come down to what sort of chips/putts I left myself.  

You're a 12 handicap. From 6400 yards.

I suspect you can turn farther than you are. Do as Matt said… post a Member Swing topic with some good video.

Day 276 - Sept 29, 2020

Power was out yesterday, so I'm giving myself that day. I played 13 holes. Today I played 18, albeit from the white tees as the course was soft and Richard plays the whites. I hit two drivers. 😛

Many of my issues with the “design” are related to pace of play and/or safety issues. Trees that needlessly block your view of an area, for example… stuff like that.

Obviously, based on only one playing, and I’m only really highlighting the things I think could be better or that are negatives. I’m not including the positive aspects of the thing here (I’d rate the course as a 5.5/10 or 6/10 - it’s not worth two hours for me to drive, but it’s still a slightly better than average course). So, mostly just the negatives…:

1. Why have rough there? There’s also a dense bunch of pines right that serve no real purpose. Thin them out and allow recovery shots as well as easier tracking of a ball hit into them.
2. Mostly fine. Short right fwy bunker kinda useless.
3. The fairway is 17 yards wide at 250 yards. Left is dead. Right is trees. Difficult holes are fine, but nobody is going to want to be in the valley left, so there are going to be a lot of people looking in the trees right.
4. None of us hit the green from 210 yards, and we spent about six or seven minutes progressively looking for everyone’s balls. Total balls found: 13. Number that were ours? All four, eventually. Did we still wait on the next tee after playing out? Yes. Balls were embedded everywhere on this hole.
5. No real issues here.
6. The left fairway is again 17-18 yards wide, the right fairway is 22 and runs out after 260 yards. We were hit into on this hole even though we kept a cart in the left fairway plainly visible from the tee by someone who hit through the middle in the trees where three of our tee shots went (all but one ended up downhill to the right with a relatively clean angle to the green. I reached with a 6I). Pace of play nightmare type hole.
7. Mostly fine. You can’t see that the water extends around the back as much as it does, and it’s almost the same yardage from every set of tees, which doesn’t make sense to me. I wonder how the front tee players play this hole.
8. Great example here of some bad stuff, IMO. First, trees just off the tee block your sight line to the left rough, nearly hiding all of two bunkers that are left as well as the cart path (behind more trees) on a cart-path-only hole. Then up the right, there’s an elevated bunker that hides the pond behind it, with thick, soft rough that’s 50+ yards from the cart path. Flatten the hill where the bunker right is so you can see the pond. If you want a bunker there, put it down by the water to stop balls from rolling in, though honestly it’s just not necessary as players hitting bunker shots over a pond are going to chunk or blade them 90% of the time, leading to slower play. Thin the trees out so you can see up the left side of the hole, both for safety and pace of play reasons.
9. The fairway is again 21 yards wide just before you get to the hazard, which is about 230 yards off the back of the long strip tee, and 260 off the black tees.
10. Good hole, though the possibly blind second shot is a mild pace of play/safety issue. I say possibly because I was in the left rough, and hit a 7I over trees to 40 yards shy of the green. It appeared that it may be blind going up and over the hill, but maybe it’s not tall enough to actually be blind. If not, the hole is fine/good.
11. Decent hole.
12. Fine. Green has a good amount of slope for a 210-yard tee shot, not a big size.
13. Good hole.
14. Trees right by the tee block your view up the right-hand side if you hit a ball to the right edge of the fairway, let alone just into the rough. The cart path is up the right-hand side, too, making it a pace of play and a safety issue, especially as most players slice. Otherwise, a good hole.
15. Generally I’m not a fan of massive features on a green when it’s a blind shot. The green has an odd shape, a big tier, and is completely blind (you can see the flagstick). “It’s only blind once” they say, but for a busy almost “destination” type course (I’m using the term loosely, for just folks within an hour or two), this is another place where a few minutes of pace could be saved. Decent hole otherwise.
16. Another 19-yard wide fairway at 250 yards off the tee.
17. We could barely see the top of the flagstick from where we were teeing off (fortunately it was toward the back). I love a good downhill island par three, but it’s generally good to be able to see where the ball lands. Otherwise much of the drama is gone, unless you want to run forward so you can see the green.
18. A good hole with a poor choice of hole locations yesterday. And a minor safety issue, as three of us drove well over the hilltop. We waited long enough so we knew they’d moved on, but people could be hit into here.

I think the course could be pretty darn good with a few changes, starting with firming up the conditions. Plugged balls in areas that are clearly too wet to mow very often (long rough) are a pace of play nightmare, and also just not fun golf. Firmer conditions would let better players hit 3W on some tees and still feed the ball into better areas instead of trying to hit driver into 20-yard-wide areas with a giant slope right and trees left (or vice versa).

I played pretty well. Got boned once or twice, but that’s fine, and they weren’t even on the obvious holes (once I think was a bad yardage - I think he got the slope behind the green and not the flagstick). The greens, because of how soft they were, were beat to heck. So many ball marks, footprints, etc. Billy Horschel would have done his Chambers Bay wiggly snake hand motion a few times on putts.

If you find yourself losing focus on the range, change up what you're doing.

I can get more out of a 15-minute range session than many people can get out of an hour or 70 balls.

1 hour ago, ncates00 said:

This thread is now closed. 

You can pick up in medal play (rounds for a handicap). You only have to write down your most likely score.

3 minutes ago, fredf said:

Yes, 2.2 addresses the OP. But 2.2 does not answer Rulesman's question where in the rules does it say "a ball touching the green is on the green".

Again, though it won't say exactly what you typed in quotes, it says that a ball touching the general area and another area of the course is in that other area of the course. That includes the putting green, and is the "correct" answer here, and even Rule 13.1 says "If part of the ball is both on the putting green and in another area of the course, see Rule 2.2c."

Using either rule, you can arrive at the right answer, as even 13.1 refers you to 2.2.

I disagree. 2.2 also addresses the situation.

I’ll write up a bit more on this later Christian. Like this evening. We’ve been without power since 3:30 yesterday. Still out.

The greens are 12 during the Masters.

I’d shoot 68-74.

50 minutes ago, Grinde6 said:

20 yards is 1-2 less clubs into every green.  That is worth a lot.  To possibly gain 5+mph of clubhead speed without over swinging is pretty beneficial as well.  If I find out who I could order through, and their return policy is decent, I would order one in a heartbeat.

I didn’t think you’re going to be able to return it.

8 hours ago, fredf said:

Your question was: " the definition previously said a ball touching the green is on the green. Where has that statement been moved to? I can't find it." The answer is Rule 13.1a.

And 13.1a refers back to 2.2, as I noted.

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If part of the ball is both on the putting green and in another area of the course, see Rule 2.2c.

Either one gives the correct answer.