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  1. Well, my family calendar filled up fast and that's turning out to be a busy weekend. Unfortunately, I have to bow out. Thanks, @DaveP043 for your generosity in hosting and putting this together. Hope you all have great fun.
  2. I'm 50/50 for golf Saturday. I'll pass on the clinics.
  3. I agree with Asheville re brevity. Also, I wonder if there's a bit of an inconsistency in arguing that the flagstick is almost universally beneficial to the putter and at the same time that you argue the new rule will slow play. Once players get this, won't they leave it in nearly all of the time? They would ONLY go through the pull/replace dance if the flag is leaning towards one of the players. And the Pelz article I found says a lean is helpful regardless of the direction, unless its so extreme that your ball won't fit:
  4. USGA/R&A Introduce "Modernized" Rules

    I was talking about the unexpectedly lost ball. As I mentioned before, of course everyone should always play a provisional when they think the ball is lost. And the penalty needs to be such that players would have the incentive to do so. I'm not sure about the wrong ball scenario. What is the current rule? Replay from the spot where you last hit your own ball with a 2 stroke penalty? In your scenario I don't know how you'd enforce that either without knowing when you made the mistake. Well, again, I'm talking about the unexpectedly lost ball. So if you last saw it flying towards a thick stand of trees, then its not unexpected that its lost and you hit a provisional. But sure, the cavalier player who sees his ball heading towards trouble and is nevertheless certain it is not lost and doesn't hit a provisional. That guy drop it where he last saw it. So in your scenario where you see the ball "flying towards" the trees, did the player see it go in the trees then disappear? If so, he drops in the trees with a 2 stroke penalty. Or did he last see it land short of the trees and think it stopped? If so, he drops there, with a 2 stroke penalty. I suppose the "flaw" is that if you hit a terrific tee shot but can't find it, you might prefer to lie 3 from that spot than hit again. So sure, its not perfect, but I don't know anyone who would hit what they think is a great shot and be happy to have it count as 3. But this is just one idea. Perhaps some "reasonably certain" analysis as in the hazard rules could help. I'm not claiming to have the perfect rule. I just think there is likely to be a possible fair solution short of walking back to the tee. No, you'd hit a provisional just as you would now. The scenario you propose works no better under the current rule. Do you just hit provisional after provisional until you're able to see the ball come to a rest, then go looking for all your balls to see if you can find your first, second, or third? I would probably write it such that the ball is played where it is last seen. So your opponent can tell you where they last saw it. We're emphasizing the trust in your opponent anyway.
  5. USGA/R&A Introduce "Modernized" Rules

    I'll give you: "Hence, both OB and lost balls should be treated similarly." But I'd still like the walk back out of the rules. I don't think players ever should be put in the position of having to choose between a significant delay of game for everyone or following the rules. Especially in the case of the unexpectedly lost ball. Its already a kick in the groin.
  6. USGA/R&A Introduce "Modernized" Rules

    Well that's the question. The penalty has to eliminate the possibility that the player is better off taking a drop than provisional. Perhaps a drop where the ball was last seen (not where you think it would have come to rest), with a 2 stroke penalty. If you hit it into the rough, you're dropping in the rough--not within 80 inches of the rough--with 2 strokes. Its not perfect. But I'm not sure that spot is any less certain than trying to gauge whether a ball 200 yards away, in the air, moving at 75mph on a curving path crossed an invisible OB line. Particularly from the vantage point of the tee,which is the one of the hardest places from which to make that judgment.
  7. USGA/R&A Introduce "Modernized" Rules

    I would like to see a 2 stroke penalty for OB or lost ball. The walk back to the tee should be completely eliminated from the game. The only reason why you don't see it happen more often is because people apply a rule like this or just take a free drop all the time. You do make a good point about why OB is different than lost. But I think that's better solved by a more creative rule than rehitting.