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  1. Ok, I see what you mean, Erik. How about Henrik Stenson for a modern example? There are a bunch of videos of his shots in the 2016 Open Championship which he raises his head post P6, with a driver as well. 2016 Open was when he averaged over 7 strokes ahead of the field average, which hadn't been done since Tiger in 2000 US Open. The video examples you used of Tiger was post 2012, after he couldn't swing like early 2000s anymore. If you look at his tee shot on #2 of final round of 2000 US Open, you'll notice he definitely dips longer than late 2000s-early 2010s. Henrik Stenson in 2016 Open is probably the closest and best modern example I can come up with in terms of the head raise after P6 movement.

  2. 10 hours ago, iacas said:

    Hogan and Nelson, also, only had to beat like four people. Hogan can say he "dug it out of the dirt," but I don't know that he practiced half as much as Tiger Woods did in his prime.

    It was not like they were playing 6000 yard courses and shooting in the 70s all 4 rounds, they were still playing 7000 yard courses and shooting in the 60s, you did write Lowest Score Wins, after all! Nelson averaged 68.33 over 30 events in 1945 and despite it being a war year, both Hogan and Snead were still playing the majority of the events that year.

    They also weren't allowed to mark and clean their ball when they were putting back then, and their club and ball equipment was vastly inferior compared to now, plus the greens were mostly firm bermuda that just did not respond to backspin at all. It took almost 60 years for Nelson's 68.33 scoring average to be broken and that was when Tiger switched to a solid core ball in 2000 and even then, he played 20 events that year and wasn't able to beat Nelson's final round scoring average, which was a ridiculous 67.65. There is not really a golden age fallacy when it comes to the skill of the best golfers post-Great Depression era.

  3. I apologize for resurrecting this thread but I thought this would be relevant information. The difference between Tiger's dip and Hogan's dip is that Hogan stopped the dip past P6 and only raised his head from that point on, even while hitting a driver. Tiger's just kept dipping past P7 and maybe P8. Mac O'Grady also raised his head in the downswing as well after his dip, just a bit earlier at P5 onwards.

    I believe this is a big part of the reason why Tiger needed multiple back surgeries and Hogan none, even Byron Nelson needed back surgery in his 40s as recalled in his autobiography and he definitely had a major head dip that continued past P7. 

    Now, I notice this head raising in downswing move after the post P4 dip only occurs with Hogan and Mac and very very very few others; I'd say 99.99% of golfers including the top tour pros today continue to dip past P6 and P7 especially with the longer clubs. That would mean only a handful of golfers in the world would truly pass Key #1 if this move was required to master it.

  4. LPGA Tour only, please. This is somewhat unrelated to golf but I feel it would relate to this topic, Joel Embiid from the NBA once said that he would watch Youtube videos of only white guys shooting 3 pointers as supposedly their shooting motion is better and he said it did help him improve his own 3 point shot. I can't help but feel that my tempo would be better from watching the smoothest and most effortless LPGA Tour swinger ever rather than watching PGA Tour players swing. What do you guys think?

  5. Hey guys, today I was hitting balls at the range to get my regular push draw down and did 90% of the time but for some reason, on the course afterwards I hit push fades often. I don't think a double cross means if we're hitting push draws, our double cross is a pull fade because on regular good shots, shouldn't we hopefully be good enough to have our path be a constant direction? I think it means it starts the same way as our regular good shot but it curves opposite of what we intended. So I went back to the range and what I did was intentionally hit my push fade double cross miss on every shot and then I played the course again intending to play the push draw on every shot and strange enough, I was drawing everything really well! If golf is a game of misses, shouldn't we practice them on the range so we don't have to play them on the course?

  6. Shoot par on the front 9 of my home course in worst ball format (two balls for every shot, play the next shot with the worst one, including putts). I play the format fast enough with a cart on weekdays and the front 9 is the toughest 9 on the course. I believe that after par in regular playing, par in worst ball format is the next level, possibly Tour level!

  7. I own a dog and I would not take her on the golf course. Golf courses are man made and so are streets, walking your dog on a golf course is like walking your dog on the street avoiding the sidewalks, you are going to bother the cars (other golfers) driving on the street (playing on the golf course). 

  8. Hey guys, so I was playing today and I found myself in a fairway bunker from 230 yards away, all grass between the green and fairway bunker with no lip so I took 2 iron and... did not do that well. The course was empty for me at this point so I just took all the balls I had in my bag and practiced that shot without thinking about mechanics and I managed to hit the green twice on my last two shots, just focusing on contact and having the ball go and curve to my target.

    The strangest thing happened after I picked up all the balls and played the next few last holes, I was absolutely striping it with everything off the grass, not thinking about P's/A's and all that! I carried over this specific feeling from the sand that made me hit the last two shots with my 2 iron well and I was hitting a lot of awesome shots with that feeling, which was Key #2 weight forward. I played a 210 yard par 3 in worst ball format with 3 balls and parred it, the worst tee shot being less than 20 feet on the green as a result from 3 fantastic 4 iron shots, 2 of which weren't even played off a tee! 

    Is practicing from a fairway bunker with the longest iron and fairway wood an effective form of practice? I think that it is a good drill, what do you guys think?

  9. I played it on my 18th birthday and took pictures on every hole, wish I had gotten a caddy but I didn't, you should definitely pay the extra $50-60 for the caddy! I broke 80 without warming up on their perfect driving range and had an awesome time. I recommend the experience, it's a special feeling standing on top of the cliffs on #8, one can only feel both joy and fear for life in that moment and spot.

  10. I apologize for bringing this thread back but I just got a professionally made eye patch and I am going to practice with it covering my non-dominant eye and see how my neck rotation in the downswing and follow through will change, I feel that mainstream golf instruction has been inspired by cross dominant golf legends (Jack Nicklaus, Ben Hogan, and Tiger Woods are left eye dominant) and so that's why I as a same side golfer (left eye dominant and left handed) don't improve as much as I want to, despite practicing so much. 

  11. Your example of Justin Rose and Grant Waite shows how their dominant eye affects their neck tilts. Golfers with their dominant eye the same as their playing hand (David Duval and Annika Sorenstam are right eye dominant golfers) tend to have their neck tilts moving toward the target more quickly than golfers whose dominant eye are opposite from their playing hand (Justin Rose is left eye dominant and I bet Grant is, too) who stay at the ball until their lead shoulder brings it up after P8/A8. But I can't figure out how this can apply to my swing and improve it, as I am left eye dominant and play left-handed but my playing hand isn't my dominant hand, I am actually right-handed in everything except swinging a golf club or baseball bat. I do what Grant and Justin does but I hit crap shots, I wonder if I'm supposed to move similar to Annika and David instead because of my eye dominance being the same as my playing hand. 

  12. I've been looking at my swing in caddie view, especially P8/A8 (the shaft is parallel to the ground in the follow-through) and I noticed that my neck and eyes are still pointing in the direction of where the ball was at address until after P9/A9. I think this is a really bad move for me as I am left handed and left eye dominant, meaning that my dominant eye isn't really seeing the ball after impact, and I am not extending or raising my head from P7/A7 to P9/A9.

    Annika Sorenstam (who is right handed and right eye dominant) does the opposite move, at P8/A8 her eyes and neck are in the direction of the clubhead from a head swivel move in the downswing. Jim Furyk and David Duval do the same thing that she does and all 3 players shot sub 60 rounds... Could this be a magic move?

  13. I'm positive that your driver was shortened by being tip trimmed instead of butt trimmed, that makes the shaft play a lot stiffer and lowers ball flight quite a bit if it was more than an inch trimmed. If that is the case and the shop also added powder in the shaft or clubhead then I'd go to a different shop if I were you. Tip trimming to shorten it instead of butt trimming and adding powder in clubhead/shaft instead of adding lead tape on the head is just bad club repair.

  14. Tiger did NOT hit >1000 balls a day, that's a myth. Think about it, starting pitchers in the MLB stop after 100 pitches on game day and on their off days, they only throw around 50 pitches on average. Tiger did practice for more than 2 hours on his full swing, but only averaging 30 balls an hour. Nicklaus would be on the range for an hour at a time and wouldn't go above 60 balls. It's completely counterproductive to hit >100 balls at a time, you're just making yourself tired and less likely to maintain your swing mechanics, which lead to bad habits. Try and throw 1,000 pitches in one day and get back to me so I can recommend you for Tommy John surgery.

  15. I just thought of an idea from the responses so far. What if I play worst ball and stop playing when I make a bogey and focus and practice on what caused the bogey in the first place for 30-60 minutes and then start playing worst ball again, on the same hole that I bogeyed?

    For example, I hit a bad drive from the 2 tee shots which led to missing the fairway and green and bogeying the hole, I stop playing on the course and go to practice on hitting better drives on the range for 30-60 minutes then play the same hole again, less likely to hit a bad drive.

    Another example is hitting a bad second shot after hitting a good drive and bogey, stop playing and practice on the club that I missed the green with on the range, making it less likely to miss the green again. If I hit both the fairway and green but 3 putt for bogey, stop playing and practice on same distance and break angle of putt that I 3 putted from on the practice putting green, making it less likely for me to 3 putt again.

    Because short game shots are mostly results from bad shots missing the greeens, they are too random to practice off the course, it is better to play your misses on the course and attempt to get up and down for par in order to move onto the next hole, it is its own practice. 

    This idea is only practical with unlimited access to the course and practice range and unlimited time but it really is perfect practice!

  16. How many holes should I play a day to improve faster, 9 holes or 18 holes (6 days on, 1 day off)? I am curious on whether practicing vs playing more would be better for my game. I plan to play in worst ball format exclusively to simulate the pressure and difficulty of competitive play.

  17. I came up with this formula: total par < 1% of total yardage = longer (and harder) while total par > 1% of total yardage = shorter (and easier). For example, the PGA Championship (Quail Hollow) was 7,600 yards at par 71 which follows the former equation while the Travelers Championship (TPC River Highlands) was 6,841 yards at par 70 which follows the latter equation. Somebody was bound to shoot 58 at TPC River Highlands, the course is short in relation to par and the course rating was 73 so yeah... but I won't acknowledge any modern low scores until somebody shoots 14-under.

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