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  1. With all due respect, nobody told me not to post the email reply. If you want to edit my post, that's your prerogative, I guess. I was merely attempting to clarify the situation and I thought that folks might appreciate having an opinion from a Director of the USGA Equipment Rules and Conformance Department instead of just my say so. Have a nice day.
  2. Hello again, Just received this from the USGA. Thought it might clarify the situation. "Under the Rules of Golf, players are permitted to warm/heat golf balls prior to the round. Player are not permitted to actively warm/heat golf balls during the round. While a player is permitted to insulate a golf ball that was warmed/heated prior to the round, we evaluated the Hot Biscuits device many years ago and determined that its use would breach the Rules of Golf because even after unplugging the device, it continued to actively warm/heat the ball once the round started (obviously, there would be a point where the heat source would cool down completely and no longer actively warm/heat, but that’s not a determination that can be made on the course and it would vary depending on conditions). I believe a subsequent design of the product may exist where the golf balls are removed from the heating source and kept in a container. The same principles applied to the Hot Biscuits device would apply to any other unit that retains artificial heat which can actively warm/heat the golf ball, including an artificially heated thermos or insulated cup. Only assistance in retaining the heat of the golf ball, through an insulating device, is permitted. Thanks for your inquiry.
  3. Too late... Dwight Eisenhower used black balls on the White House lawn in the snow a looooong time ago.
  4. OK. Here's the answer... "USGA Testing Procedure" Ensure that the Indoor Test Range (‘ITR’) temperature is maintained at an average of 75±3 °F (23.9 °C+/- 1.7 °C). Measure and record the temperature, barometric pressure and humidity. Golf balls shall be maintained at 75 °F +/- 1 °F (23.9 °C +/- 0.6 °C) for a minimum of three hours prior to testing. ...... So if "we" keep the balls at 75° F+/- 1°F , "we will not be "altering the performance characteristics" of the balls, but instead we will be maintaining those characteristics. .... I'm sure you Floridians will be glad to know this. .... I sure am.
  5. Despite being called a "troll" and being told I may be overly irritable, I will hold my fingers in check and will not respond in kind. I will, however, await an answer from the USGA about my question. Please allow me that. I will let you all know what they say when they respond. Have a nice day.
  6. David in FL, Do you have some sort of problem with me wanting information from the USGA? It seems like you don't like the idea that I'm trying to clarify what is "legal" and what is not. I'm not a lawyer or a "troll'. Trolls, to the best of my knowledge live under bridges and attack billy goats. I'm simply trying to get correct information. If that bothers you, tough.
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  8. So, if we "maintain" the temperature of the balls at the same level (degrees) at which the manufacturer or the USGA or whoever tested them, then we are not violating the rule. Right? But if we "deliberately alter" the temperature of the balls by heating or whatever, then we are violating the rule. Does that seem correct? So now we need to know what the "official" USGA temperature is, so that we don't violate the rule. Right?
  9. What if i "clean" my golf balls in warm water before the round? Is that a violation?
  10. Ahhh! Murphy's Law strikes again. Once you open a can of worms, you're going to need a bigger can to get those worms contained.... I'm still waiting for a USGA ruling on this question...
  11. What about carrying your golf balls in a black bag on a sunny day? We all know that the color black retains more heat than white or any other color. So would carrying the balls in a black bag be heating the balls "artificially"? Not trying to get the discussion "heated" or anything, but this is getting more and more interesting.
  12. Just sent this question to the USGA rules email site. Hopefully I'll hear back from them soon.
  13. When is a golf ball considered to have been illegally "heated?" For example... 1. If a golfer drives to the course with a golf ball over a heater vent in his car, is that illegal? Or 2. If a golfer uses a "Hot Biscuits" or other type ball warmer plugged in before the round but unplugged before teeing off on the first tee, is that illegal? Or 3. If a golfer keeps his golf balls in a thermos/insulated cup or bag with hot water before the round, but empties the hot water before teeing off on the first tee, is that illegal? In short, can a ball be heated before a round begins? And if it can, can the ball be kept in an insulated container that is not "actively heating" the ball but simply retaining the heat already within the ball during the round? I know it is illegal to carry a ball in a pocket with a hand warmer in the same pocket, by the way. Be kind with your answers, please Mike
  14. Back to my "original" question. Whether or not it is an effective method of achieving more distance on relatively cold days, would the use of a thermos bottle without any warm water in it during a stipulated round be within the "Rules of Golf"? To be clear, the warm water would be dumped out before the round. I'm only thinking about trying to retain the heat that is already in the balls during the round. I have a thermos bottle (the gray one with the silver cap, probably can't say the name without getting in trouble for advertising) that retains heat very well for a long time. I can put 6 golf balls in the thermos and they will stay warm for the whole round. As I sometimes tend to be a bit wild with my drives, I occasionally lose a ball or two during a round. Just want to know if I can "legally" use the thermos to insulate the balls from the cold air, thereby keeping them warm. It seems to me that this would be the same as using an insulated bag or an insulated coffee mug to achieve the same purpose.
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