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  1. I played Links on the computer and I played Nintendo Golf. You can play too here: Play Nintendo Golf on NES Play Nintendo Golf on NES (Nintendo) online It's particularly brutal because clearly, when I was a kid, even video game golfers played with persimmon woods and carried a 1 iron. You can also tell that fitness was not yet part of golf.
  2. There was an actual study that indicated people corrected their putting stroke and actually got worse. I know it sounds paradoxical, but it's golf. (Search Adam Young putting study if you feel inclined). However I recall we are not discussing the merits of putting practice, but a ~1 hour putter fitting. I will even allow that a quick correction is probably helpful to those who have consistent errors in their stroke. Inconsistency is most people's problem, though. Still confused: are there better uses of 1 hour or $100? Is there value offered at putter fitting that couldn't have been found elsewhere? The norm in putting is we use books, lessons, and practice, combined with choosing a putter at the store based on how it feels. As 10-15 handicaps, are we somehow gaming the wrong putter, and if so how far off are our choices?
  3. Tiger is the best player ever. Jack has the most major championships. Those are my 2 and I see 99% agree on this thread. It's a bit muddy from there we have Snead, Palmer, Jones, Hogan - there's quite a history. Hogan only played 3 majors after his accident; Jones only played once a week. Those were different times altogether so we can't really measure their ability but their impact. Tiger is the easiest to put up there based on his ability, results and impact altogether. Anyone thinking of leaving him off should go to their local library and get fitted with a set of 14 history and sociology books.
  4. On a flat, straight 5-foot putt, how many of you are missing the hole? I am not. With regard to alignment, you can put a line on the ball, choose a putter with a line, use an alignment stick, practice hitting two tees perpendicular to target, put against a wall, or use a mirror aid. Computer is not needed. Personal opinion, if you don't improve your green reading, you will not improve your putting. Unless you are missing straight putts within 6-feet.
  5. Putter grips have changed significantly. Most new putters have Super Stroke or a similar large grip. The other change happening is around the mallets, different shapes and sizes than before. As a kid my first putter was a heel-shafted true blade which only suits an in-to-out stroke, and the grip was circular and tapered like an iron grip. At some point I acquired an STX putter with a very soft rubber type of face insert, and it started to bug me. Some putters with inserts will wear out.
  6. I've been watching lots of different reviewers on youtube for the last couple years and reading various articles for many years before that. The whole idea of "impartiality" in this type of content is silly. People hit away with a new club and regurgitate the press release the companies distribute. Every bit of pseudoscientific marketing is repeated in almost every club review. Of course the reviewers have all different swings, shoot different scores on different conditions than any one of us would on our own. So the last several years the norm is to kick out all these disclaimers about getting professionally fitted, which of course involves paying the fitter upfront and buying new clubs at these artificial prices, with another backend commission going to the fitter. However I don't think any of the popular youtube reviewers are more or less biased than one another - there is inherent bias in recommending new clubs and major manufacturers, but that's about it. I do have a random compliment to offer about Shiels, he does the analytical work in his reviews, offers comparisons between new and old tech, and isn't too afraid to criticize the pricing or point out that the incremental improvements available are costly.
  7. I was just thinking about putter fitting. We have Club Champion nearby and it says $100 for 1 hour fitting. This is hard to justify compared with 1 hour at the library reading golf instruction books, 1 hour on any practice green, or 1 hour in a large store hitting all the different putters in stock, all of which would be free of charge. I have plenty of time for all of the above activities but not plenty of cash. I also generally avoid new clubs... the most recent GD hot list has a $200 Ping and a $450 Odyssey that look cool, but aren't affordable for me, so can putter fitting actually help if you are only buying a used putter or new less than $100? (Look, the $100 fitting is one thing... but then what if they fit me to a Bettinardi?) However, I would be interested to know what questions fitting answers. I have always used a pretty standard blade. Should I use a putter with more or less offset? Which type of insert or none? Would I save strokes using a mallet? Again, I don't want to wind up with advice to buy an Evnroll for $300 because of their proprietary face milling pattern. Fitting seems more justified if I refuse to practice putting, which is sometimes a thing for me. I enjoy doing the work on my ballstriking, from driver to wedges, but not putting. Would fitting improve my worst tendencies?
  8. My driver is a Titleist 909d, which I suppose is from 2009 so celebrating its 10th birthday. Irons are Bridgestone GC mids, which are a couple years older than that. I may have reason to update the driver (to a ~2016 release?), but I like my old irons. I prefer the traditional lofts. I don't buy new clubs, I buy used clubs, so I sort of look at a few years ago and see if there was a big improvement then.
  9. What about getting a 4-wood and cutting the shaft down close to the same length as a hybrid? In other words, if you were to hit two clubs from the same line (e.g. both Titleist or both Ping G): one being a 17° 4-wood cut down by 2" to 40.5" with a little lead tape added to the head the other being a 17° 2-hybrid hybrid that comes 40.5" standard What would be the expected differences?
  10. Last round I wasn't comfortable using the 3-wood at all, so I might as well as been playing with 13 clubs. The par-5's were long and I played them with 3 shots. I needed to use the hybrid on a couple of par 3's that were ~195 yards out, and realized this was a critical distance that I needed to improve from this year. My hybrid shots missed left, right, high and low. I don't recall anything requiring a ~220 yard, 3-wood carry distance, but I routinely encounter a forced ~195 carry. So the hybrid is the more critical club to get confident with, because this shot is awkward as you suggest, and it isn't really avoidable. One prob is a recurrent case of the shanks with the 3-wood. Slamming the club into the ground before the ball is not much fun! And when I get some practice time with 3-wood, there's a low trajectory result with both left and right misses. I feel I score better when my approach is short, compared to left or right. Although I need to get confident with the 200 yard carry, I feel okay about laying up facing anything more than that, and just using the "long club" (2-hybrid or 4-wood) when falling short is not a hazard. To me that's where the second hybrid is a better choice, because I need to dedicate practice time on the 3-hybrid either way, so I could just have a 2 there for the once in a while play.
  11. Thanks, the physics are interesting, this makes sense to me. One thing for certain is that my current 15 degree 3-wood has a fairly small head. It isn't helping me any. I have an Apex tour which I think is the wrong particular club for my game. This is a big issue for me as well. If I should not hit the fairway wood from the rough, an uneven lie, or a side hill, then it is going to get very limited usage. If I hit a good drive down the middle on a par 5, I may find the right fairway lie to take a crack at it with a 3-wood. In this situation I think the odds of actually hitting the green are about 1 in 10, which means that I experience both "limited usage" and "limited conversion" to actually help my score.
  12. Yes to choking down, I even shortened the shaft by an inch. Contact is the biggest issue. Lack of practice and especially off sidehill, uphill or downhill lies... I can get into a rhythm any time I am at the range and hit it about 220. I can never get this good on the course, and no matter what I am hitting it with a tendency to be low trajectory. Not holding a green. Big part of the expected improvement switching to two hybrids would be an uplift in my practice efficiency. Right now, if I dedicate time to 3 wood practice it is at the expense of short game, iron or driver practice. If I carry two hybrids, that is one less thing to need to get comfortable with, I would think. It seems like an easy decision, so I wonder why nobody else seems to go this route. You look at WITB on tour, you normally see one fairway wood, not zero. Caveat being they carry a bit more loft, like 16.5 instead of 15°. And, not everyone rolls with 4 wedges like me, so they have space. The second thing I wonder is why some clubmakers don't even bother selling hybrids below 18°. if you follow I would be in the market for a 2-hybrid and this seems like a rare product. My 4-iron is 24°, so my two hybrids could be 21° and 18° but basically I already have a 20° so 17° seems like the right one. If most companies don't produce it, it feels like I am in the wrong somehow.
  13. Recently it was La Purisima, in central California. Windy day, everything was uphill. Everything.
  14. Thanks, what's funny is I would describe it as different distance, like 200 with my current 3 hybrid and then 210 with a new 2 hybrid, compared to 220 with the 3 wood. It is sort of like covering a different yardage gap.
  15. ^ Sung Hyun Park, correct answer! I could easily model my swing after hers. Overall, I am not sure if the premise that LPGA swings are "smoother" is accurate. I see so many go past parallel in the backswing, or get up on their toes in the downswing. Nasa Hataoka is very smooth in her tempo, but pushes up hard and has both heels in the air at impact.
  16. I am considering going with two hybrids and zero fairway woods. Has anyone else gone this route and how did it work for you? I think it would also help my practice by eliminating a "type" of club - the longer shafted fairway wood that needs a level strike on the ball. With a hybrid instead, I'd have the same swing feel and may gain confidence. Currently working with Driver, 3-wood (15°), hybrid (20°), 4-PW, AW, SW, LW, putter. So, considering a 17° hybrid and dropping the 3-wood. I played a round this week for the first time in several months. The 3-wood didn't leave the bag, but my hybrid got about 5 shots. I am confident with driver, averaging 230 off the tee with better drives around 250; I cannot imagine using 3-wood off the tee as a replacement. Even after a decent drive, none of the par 5's on this course were reachable, so they became 3 shot holes. Meanwhile, my propensity to find uneven, uphill or sidehill lies makes the hybrid or 4-iron a better option. I used to be great with the 3-wood, when I was more of a sweeper. But even when I connect with one, it's going to be up near the green, but hard to stop it with the 3-wood, and hard to roll the ball up there on most local courses (most often soft conditions, elevated greens). Does this club help my score? I don't see how it can. If I added the 2 hybrid, my thought is that this helps reach the 200 yard par 3's, and gives me a nicer approach option to the short par 5's / long par 4's. What do you think, does this make sense?
  17. I think Fox bears some responsibility for their decisions regarding microphones and the audio mix. Crowd shouts have been a tiresome part of the US Open viewing experience.
  18. The real entertainment is who is competing to win. In a way the course has done it's job separating the best from the rest. Leaderboard: +1 2017 US Open Champion +1 2016 US Open Champion / Current World #1 +2 2016 Open Champion +3 2013 US Open Champion +3 Berger/Finau Winner will have earned it.
  19. Can anyone recall a player complaining about the course setup and then winning the tournament? Lots of players have a US Open on their career "bucket list" but I don't remember anyone wishing to achieve the goal of complaining about a US Open. Also, Stenson/Rose being "on the clock" is stupid, I don't see why officials need to interfere.
  20. Pretty sure they just bleeped DJ when he left that putt short. "If I had hit it any harder it would have ___ the f_ ___"
  21. Some of the frustration is wind - I'm always aggravated about something meaningless when I've been dealing with harsh wind for a few hours. There's not many trees to stop it down either. Some of it might be tough pins. I've seen putts basically just miss and then turn around, suggesting that the pin placements have unusual slope around them. They're faster greens with the wind also. Regardless this is a US Open which means your Champion is the player who can deal with shooting par, not striping every fairway and spinning approaches to 10 feet.
  22. I don't disagree with the rule at all, just saying the penalty isn't consequential, as far as his score in this round or finish in this tournament. He definitely gets some type of a hit to his rep, but to me this will be replayed excessively given the zero impact on the finish. No reason for people to diva this out. Starting today at +6 he had a chance to win, if he had played as well as Finau or Berger he would be in the top 10. Poor strategy and mental breakdown over the course of the round, but in the moment not really a difference maker to his result.
  23. Well his drive hit the fairway, approach was long, wedge rolled off the front. His putt went like it was rolling off the front, again. At this point we're explaining something foolish - he taps the moving ball. However, if he lets the ball keep rolling off the front, he would have a second 30 yard-ish wedge back onto the green, and then another couple of putts to get in the hole. So the two-stroke penalty equals the likeliest outcome of a wedge back and two putts. At worst he added one stroke to his score of 81, not any matter for someone who at the moment is 19 strokes back of the leader with one round left.
  24. I hit a medium bucket. I'm much more effective when I bring my camera, but recently it's been once every three trips. Usually I will hit 10-20 half shots out of the bucket so I don't hit more than about 50 full shots. Last trip a guy showed up at 9:30pm with a fresh jumbo bucket and one single club. Honestly I don't think I've ever hit a jumbo bucket. Some people are just there because they were arguing with their wife, or wanted to get away from their kids, and I wouldn't deprive them that method of venting frustrations.
  25. I could break 90 as a teenager but was playing for about 15 years before I broke 80. Honestly once I did I lost a little motivation and played well the next year but got worse the two years after that. Broke 80 a second time in the fall (par 71, I believe) and then got worse in the winter. Got back to taking my own videos at the range and have improved to the point I feel I'm hitting the ball better than ever. It is difficult to break 80, you can only afford 7 bogies in a round; basically I figure you should hit 90% of your shots close to where you want.
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