Report i have no interest in "teeing it forward" in Golf Talk July 1, 2015 So the R&A; says 208 and Trackman says 214.......actually that's less than one club's difference there .....your point being, I assume, that yet another reputable source (R&A;) chimes in with data supporting "Tee It Forward"? So we now have all credible sources: PGA, USGA, R&A; and Trackman saying essentially the same thing ! In any case, the average male adult amateur still does not warrant a course length much beyond 6,000 yards as the PGA/USGA clearly state. "tis but a difference without a distinction, eh? :) What's actually happening here , as Camilli points out in his book, is a paradigm shift in golf culture. With the increase in courses moving to color coded tee boxes there will be less stigma about what were so long referred to as "Senior "Tees, etc.. This along with the changing demographic of golfers as more young people, women and minorities take up the game and are introduced early on to the sanity that is "Tee It Forward", much of this testosterone driven rubbish will indeed subside and folks will naturally play more appropriate length courses moving forward.....'tis the very nature of change itself. Camilli demonstrates the life cycle of new ideas and change in general by presenting the following : 1. Change is introduced to a culture 2.The Change is met with fierce resistance. (Some of which is present in this thread, for example) 3. The Change is reluctantly accepted and/or accommodated.(Again, some of which is present in this thread) 4.The Change becomes the new "normal". (This may well become evident when this topic is no longer a thread at all! LOL) Cheers.