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  1. I totally agree with what you say, golfjunky......I too hit the ball straighter and longer with baseball grip ( top thumb folded under bottom thumb pad) and yes the game sure is more fun this way!

    Cant control club as well with "traditional ten finger baseball style grip like that used by Tommy "Two Gloves " Gainey though (he has both thumbs wrapped aroung the grip just like holding a baseball bat)....I tend to hook ball too much that way.....but the "modified ten finger baseball grip works great!

  2. If the" low end" Titleist ball you purchased happened to be the DT SO/LO you already have the very best all around ball for most amateur golfers-especially those with swing speeds 90 MPH and below (aka most of us!).

    Golf Digest said in naming the DT SO/LO to its gold medal level equipment review that the best Titleist golf ball for most players, happily, may actually be their least expensive. (around 20 bucks per dozen in white or yellow)

    Good Luck

  3. According to a table from The Search for the Perfect Golf Club by Tom Wishon, the ideal driver loft to maximize carry distance for each of the below swing speeds (based on a swing angle of attack of +2.5 degrees as the average golfer has a slight upward angle of attack with the driver) is as follows:

    60mph - loft of 19* for a carry distance of 122yds
    70mph - loft of 19* for a carry distance of 156yds
    80mph - loft of 13* for a carry distance of 185yds
    90mph - loft of 13* for a carry distance of 213yds
    100mph - loft of 10* for a carry distance of 236yds
    110mph - loft of 9* for a carry distance of 257yds

    Hope that helps.

  4. Glad you've found this thread so helpful, malelee21  and others.

    It appears that the ten finger grip is considerably more popular and successful than one might assume- especially if one were foolish enough to ask a PGA Teaching "Pro".  LOL

    I too get considerably more distance and simply make better contact with the ball.....and, well , isn't that the point?!

    Fairways and greens.



  5. I think you are creating something of a false dichotomy between Floyds and Stockton's books.

    Floyd does indeed provide some considerable amount of  "technique" but does so in an extremely simple and more easily digested form which does not lend itself to becoming troublesome swing thoughts on the course. His advice is worthwhile for ALL handicaps as we can all use a reminder of how to score effectively , especially when we aren't playing particularly well. ( i.e. even Tiger needs to be reminded to keep his head down from time to time, eh? lol  )

    For example , instead of rambling on about how to chip effectively Floyd -a most masterful chipper and short game artist himself, simply says "Chipping is putting with loft" and viola the amateur is more likely to approach their chip with a putting stroke and avoid a chili-dip, chunk, skull, etc.

    BTW: Floyd disagrees with the Stockton advice regarding chipping only with sand wedge and demonstrates how to chip effectively with a variety of clubs depending on the distance desired.

    His approach can be seen on Golf Channel's Champions Tour Learning Academy series where he chips progressively farther with clubs ranging all the way back to a 5 iron!

    On the whole, while both books may prove valuable , as a high 'capper it is wise not to dismiss Floyds advice out of hand. He is telling you how to make a very difficult game more simple -which is precisely what a high 'capper ( and virtually everyone else)  needs : things like shot position strategies which leave you with a "good miss" ( i.e. not short-siding yourself, etc.), if an approach shot requires more than a 7 iron best aim for the center of the green and NOT go pin hunting, etc.

    I think that once you start breaking 90 more consistently you may re-discover the wisdom of Floyd's book and it's proper place in the pantheon of excellent advise for us amateurs.

    Different horses for different courses. Good Luck.

  6. LOL....yeah, I've never understood why so many players who are successful....like Tiger and Padraig Harrington- and at the top of their game decide abruptly to blow the whole thing up and change the swing that won them Tourneys and majors.

    Now in Tigers case I suspect he had to do something if he wanted to have a long career as his old swing aggravated his injuries....but other guys seem to just do this as they fall under the influence of some highly priced swing guru who btw usually never even played on the Tour, never mind won!.....nice to have money to burn, eh?

    I recall several former tour pros saying that they could fix Tigers swing in an hour....by simply having him return to the swing that won 14 majors and over 70 Tourneys......I think Trevino was one of them.

  7. Hey Mrmudd....

    Whatever works for you.....but my swing speed is between 85 and 90 and I love regular flex graphite shafts.....to each his own.

  8. Why would someone new to golf want a hybrid with a steel shaft?

    You will  probably be sacrificing considerable club head swing speed compared to graphite. Which may most likely translate into lost distance.

  9. Having worked in the service industry as a college student I often found that the more money some people had the cheaper they were towards folks who depend on tips.

    Not one to ever forget from whence they came, I keep a collection of single bills in my bag for the sole purpose of always having a generous tip ready -be it the cart girl or the guy who loads my bag from car trunk to cart.

    Good for you to be disturbed by that incident.....yes I would have chased her down to tip her -and have done that in similar circumstances myself.....shame on your "friend"...it speaks volumes about the kind of person he is ....let the wise take note. You can certainly learn a great deal about a persons character -or lack thereof- whilst playing a round of golf.


  10. Right you are Mulligan....Floyd's generation and those before him did not have swing coaches, sports psychologists and an entourage following them about on tour.....they did NOT go see their PGA Teaching pros....they were  often self taught players with home made swings....and worked out their own flaws slumps and mental toughness issues....

    closest thing we have today to that approach would be guys like Bubba Watson....and perhaps a few others but not very many.....methinks that sometimes these guys today are more inclined to develop a case of "paralysis through analysis" as there just seems to be far too many chefs working on the same dish.

    Of course those guys back then didn't make 1 or 2 million per year while never winning anything like todays pampered lot either.....all these guys today need do is make the cut on Friday and they are assured of a last place finish which will usually cut them a nifty six figure paycheck.....six figures was often the top prize money for the winners circle in Floyd's day...

  11. This was one of the very first  golf instruction books I had ever read .....and I still believe it to be one of the very best.

    Lots of common sense , jargon free advice about how to score well-even  when you aren't necessarily playing well.

    The point I always remember is regarding chipping...."chipping is just putting with loft"  I remember this virtually every time I'm setting up a chip shot...and more often than not meet with tap-in quality results when I do remember and apply this simple yet effective advice.

    A great book to read ...and re-read.

  12. I have been playing a hybrid iron set (3-7) for some time now .

    I had tried to swap out irons for higher lofted FW woods but found the results unsatisfactory as I can not hit a FW wood with the accuracy or consistency that I can hit a hybrid....thus the FW woods reside in the closet and the Hybrids remain in my bag.

    However, I've known other guys for whom the results are exactly the opposite.....this really boils down to your willingness to experiment with both and discover which kind of swing works best for your game.

    BTW: It needn't be too expensive as you can pick up some higher lofted FW woods ( 7, 11, 13, 15, etc.) for cheap on ebay....once you discover what you like you can always upgrade later.

    Good Luck

  13. Always tough to provide advise regarding putters since putting is the most personal aspect of the game.

    And it can be difficult to get the right combo of weight and feel in one flat stick. as you've already discovered.

    Odysseys in general tend to have a nice feel as do many Taylor Made Rossa sticks.

    I play the Rossa Daytona #1 with agsi insert and love it.....however it does feel a tad lighter than some may like.

    It is a traditional "Answer style" blade but in black matte finish which I also find appealing at address -has a single white alignment mark on the back flange.

    If this sounds interesting to you -perhaps check out the Tour model as it is a weighted version of the same club.....wouldn't mind testing that one myself.

    BTW- my other putter is an Odyssey two ball mallet with DFX insert which is firmer than the White Hot insert...I mostly use this one on the carpet in my office as I find that the Two Ball alignment system helps me better refine my stroke -thus putting more effectively with my TM gamer.....like I said , it's a very personal, subjective thing.

    Good Luck with your search.

  14. Curious, what didn't you like about the venerable  Titleist DT So/Lo?

    I have been playing them as my "go-to" ball  for some time now and believe that they are the best overall ball for most amateurs/ recreational players from the standpoint of performance and price point.

    I've never encountered anyone who did not like them, although perhaps preferring another ball....

    I'm just wondering what you didn't like about them to form such a seemingly strong negative opinion.

  15. Feherty is capable of "fleshing out" his interview subjects and helping us to see a more complete picture of who they are as people.

    I personally loved his interview with Celtic Legend Bill Russell....it spanned basketball, family, civil rights etc.

    Perhaps Feherty's best interview to date.

  16. Arnie is definitely up there at the top of any such list.

    However I also have great regard for Tom Watson.

    To have had such an accomplished career and to be still competitive at his age is an inspiration to all old duffers like meself.

    I also respect the fact that he, unlike so many Tour pros, had the courage to confront the racism of the golfing world when he resigned  his membership from the Kansas City Country Club because of their exclusionary policies toward admitting Jews as members.

    Tom Watson is a class act.

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  17. Originally Posted by iacas

    No need to provide an example: it's basic physics. Where does the projection of the shaft line up with the center of gravity? When those are vertical the putter head will align in that position.

    FYI- ALL principles be they "basic" or otherwise require examples.   So precisely which shaft creates this face balance you refer to?  Is it a blade with the plumbers neck with a one shaft off set or something else?

  18. Originally Posted by GaijinGolfer

    Personal preference.  You can get into all that arcing stroke vs straight back straight through (which we could argue the physics of until the sun burns out, especially because you can make either style toe hang or face balanced depending upon what style neck you use) but at the end of the day, its all personal preference.

    I used to be a strict blade guy.  Give me an Anser or an 8802 and I was happy.  Lately, though, Ive become more of a mallet guy.  I like the forgiveness and ease of alignment of a mallet.  I find that with a mallet, Im more consistent because the MOI of the head gives me a greater margin for error and that the bigger alignment aids make it easier for me to line up my putts.

    Please provide more info regarding the face balance relationship to putter neck.  Under what conditions does a classic Anser style blade transform from a toe hang to a face balanced putter?

  19. Originally Posted by 14ledo81

    Wow! I guess so. Just looking for a fight.

    Or maybe I'm just making some thoughtful  and considered observations about an aspect of our culture -'Tis part of my job description.   I noticed that thus far none of the geniuses who've replied have had anything constructive to say about the content of my commentary......far too engaged in the anti-intellectual practice of attacking the messenger.

  20. Originally Posted by Harmonious

    He must be bored up in his ivory tower.

    Or perhaps I'm just doing my job....you know...thinking critically about society, culture, etc...a forbidden practice in most conservative quarters these days. If my commentary contains too many multi-syllabic words I'd be happy to help you with it, Sparky.

  21. Originally Posted by NM Golf

    Gee thanks for resurrecting a year old thread so you can babble on with more of your liberal horse$hlt. Your posts give me gas.

    Well at least the gas provides something with which to fill the empty space between thine ears.

  22. Very difficult to compare the two tours....they are divided by many factors icluding quality and type of courses....Typical American courses feature perfectly manicured greens that run 12 stimp or more....euro tour features more roughly hewn greens and landscapes with slower stimps....American golf tends to reward the "bomb and gouge" method...of big ballstriking off the tee and ginormous arcing wedge shots falling from the heavens upon picture perfect greens.....while Euro golf invites more bump and run style play.....there is also a large class division between tours as many PGA guys come from white-bread gated country club backgrounds and are sons of golf royalty (the Haas family comes to mind) while Euro Tour players more commonly come from humbler more hardscrabble backgrounds , often sans college,  and learn the game on municipal "workingmans" courses...See McIlroy, , Poulter, et. al......consequently there's also a considerable political/cultural divide between the tours as well as PGA has a large Christian / Republican constituency while the Euros tend to be more liberal politically -having experienced the benefits of government programs like Universal Healthcare firsthand and not" forgetting where they came from"....they are also more likely to believe that religion is a personal matter and I hear are gobsmacked at the American players endless prayer meetings, fish symbols on bags and "WWJD? wristbands.....cant say that I blame them.

    Not to mention the long and shameful PGA history of racism, classism and sexism.....only opening their doors to blacks as recently as 1961! The typical PGA Tour player is a whitebread kid from a gated community in the suburbs who learned golf on a private course with instructors and "attended" one of the south's diploma mills for athletes such as pick anyone from the SEC et. al....usually majoring in PE or Business etc.

    The PGA Tour is by far the more corporatist controlled (not to say the Euro Tour isnt-with its snuggling up to oil barrons in Dubai and the like!) and thus tends to offer larger purse money from week to week....but one can hardly help but laugh when some of these spoiled PGA players claim that they "earn their money based on merit".....yeah except that in the modern PGA world a guy who never, ever wins or even comes close can "earn" a million bucks or more per year!

    Good News: The game is shifting internationally and there will be increasing pressure to include more non-American "majors". BTW the British Open provides a wonderful paradigm of precisely what I speak of here....it is usually played on a less perfectly manicured course -often links style course where the premium is on that bump and run through harsh weather....imo THE definitive test in golf....as opposed to the good old white boys club in Augusta.....

  23. Originally Posted by PuttPutt

    Which one is beneficial and why? Please suggest.

    Putting is , fortunately for me, the strongest aspect of my game (since I have unimpressive  distance and rely on "The great equalizer" to defeat players who hit the ball many yards farther than I.

    My regular go-to putter is a blade (Taylormade Rossa Daytona #1 with agsi insert) but when I'm struggling a bit I will play my Odyssey Two Ball DFX Mallet...which I often practice with on my office carpet because it just seems to help me re-align my "straight back and straight thru" pendulum swing and tempo....and then I go back to playing my regular gamer blade again....selecting a putter is as personal as picking a toothbrush....try as many as possible and by all means go with whatever works for you.

    Theoretically there are essentially two schools of putting; the Dave Pelz "Straight back and straight thru" school (to which I subscribe btw) and the "open-close gate " or arc swing putting stroke.

    They claim that the Pelz method is more conducive to a mallet putter -indeed it was Pelz who supposedly invented the uber-popular Odyssey two ball alignment system on many of the Odyssey mallet putters...and the "gate-style" arc putt is best managed with a blade ....yet my gamer is a blade and I practice and correct my stroke with the mallet- go figure.

    Anyway ....it's by far the most subjective aspect of the game and yes it is indeed very much a mental and confidence issue .....go with the putter that gives you the greatest sense of confidence at address.....good luck!

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