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  1. Originally Posted by LBlack14

    I'm going to pick one up via internet. I have one of their older Kirk Currie KC1's with weight kit and it's the best blade putter I've ever used. Haven't used the thing in 4 yrs, but won't part with it. All their stuff is top notch. I just got rid of my Ci9 irons and am waiting on delivery of the Di11 irons and 2 nnew TW9 wedges. I'm a FAN and feel they don't get thier just due in the golf equipment business like they used to.

    Agree.....Wilson Staff is much better golf equipment (including several of the balls) than they get credit for.....brand apparently needs a marketing makeover of some kind because they def. dont get much if any respect....yet consistently produce solid products, IMO.

  2. Originally Posted by GaijinGolfer

    For years Titleist has been trying to tell people that the Pro V1 is the right ball for everyone.  This, "compression doesnt matter" campaign is just their latest attempt at trying to get hacks to play a more expensive ball.

    I'm inclined to agree with you....and I'm no Titleist basher as my go-to ball is the DT So/Lo.  Great all around ball for reasonable price imo.

  3. Originally Posted by tuffluck

    Srixon XV is the primary, but I only carry 6. That way, if it is one of those nasty golf ball losing days, i will only allow so many good ones to slip away. My backup is the NXT Tour.

    NXT Tour is a very good ball, indeed.

    Nice combo of a distance ball and "feel" shortgame ball....but not that much better than the Titleist DT So/Lo, imo.

  4. Originally Posted by School Yard Pro

    Wilson 50 Elite. $19 bucks for 24 right now.

    The Wilson Staff 50 Elite is an underated ball indeed.

    Especially good in cooler weather.

    However my go-to everyday ball is the modest Titleist DT So/Lo.....hands-down best all-around  ball for the money-especially for average swing speeds (85-90 MPH)

    When I feel like splurging I'll take the V1X  (cant hit the V1 for neither love nor money!) V1X goes straighter than V1 for me and still has great feel and spin around the greens.

  5. Originally Posted by logman

    Stogiesnbogies......right on.

    Loglady say's "why would you want to spend time with the sort of people that play golf". I don't know how to tell her!

    Thanks, mate.

    I think we can all recount tales of the shoddy manner which women golfers are often  treated at many clubs-private and public.  I can assure you that it is no better for Blacks, Latinos or any other minority which attempts to play golf .....then the golf establishment scratches their collective heads and can't understand why the game is in decline...perhaps it has something to do with the manner in which these "New Majority" golfers are "welcomed", eh?  LOL

  6. Originally Posted by inthehole

    Mildly bloviating post on last page as to how irrelevant the Republican Party is today and how exactly this applies to the traditional golf demographic. I can see the correlation in theory, but think the one fallacy with that post involves the inherent cost of maintaining a quality golf course. It will always be expensive, and lets face it, on average us old white guys outnumber the alledged new majority population segment in disposable income. I just don't see widespread demographic changes if the cost of golf remains at what it is today ...

    The "old white guy" population is not growing....'tis just a matter of time...as for "bloviating"-mildly or otherwise,  methinks attributing the decline in golf's popularity to the cost of running a course is a bit more than bloviation...there are many muni's that charge 20 bucks or less yet the game is still in decline.... ....your post sounds much more like "whistling past the graveyard", mate.....yesiree dont you worry about that demographic tsunami coming right at ya.....old white guys will not long control most of the disposable income  either since they wont be around to spend it..........just as the GOP will not win a national election moving forward....

  7. While your list of very good  reasons that golf is not growing more popular is rather extensive, it failed to mention one additional, critical reason; the changing demographic make up of the United States.

    Golf is historically tied to the oppression of blacks, minorities, women and the working class....it has earned its reputation as a rich, white, male, ostensably hetero, ruling class game....and despite the many PR spin initiatives, remains very much so.

    The PGA Tour was one of the very last "sports" organizations to integrate....and  looking at the players, it has made rather modest progress to this effect.  Tiger Woods did more for the games image than any single player-before or since as minorities began to view golf as something that they might be able to participate in ......whatever thier actual experiences may turn out to be at their local clubs. (I have witnessed and heard many many horrific racist, classist, sexist accounts from golf clubs and country clubs)

    Fact is that the games image and demographic trends parallel to that of the rapidly declining Republican Party which has long associated itself with the game.  Both are corporatist entities primarily made up of white men over age 50 who either A. "Got theirs" and have no intention of pitching in to help less fortunate. B. Didnt get theirs and are angry at "those people" who keep them from doing so. C. All of the above.

    A casual perusal of golf social websites such as this very one will demonstrate the beliefs , attitudes, values and behaviors of regressive austerity driven economic and social policies that are decidedly in the minority with the general public but hold great favor within the golfer's universe. In example, just go to the thread about Obama 's Golf weekend and read the virtually fact-free rightwing screeds and attacks against a President who was elected by a huge electoral vote count and is the first to win the popular vote in both elections since Ike.....you'd never know this by checking out the Golfchannel website, for instance, where this news led to a disgusting display of visciously racist posts.....

    My own posts here on the Obama Golfing thread were apparently removed and they contained no such attacks but only support for the President and refutation of the litanny of Fox and Rush soundbites passing as facts against our president.  'Tis shameful indeed that our moderator apparently decided to engage in the cowardly act of removing my posts (without any notification to me) while leaving so much of the alternate fact-free world view that best represents the foundational problem haunting the game of golf:   Let me try again to fill in some who may be interested in learning why the new majority just "arent that into golf":

    We , generally, view the golf establishment as hostile to: Blacks, Latinos, women and other minorities who collectively now make up the MAJORITY of the American population. And just like the GOP, if you want to be successful with us you must change not only your packaging (spin) but your practices .

    Personally, I love the game of golf and wish that more people from my background had the opportunity to experience its many delights....but  I also fully understand the many obstacles to that happening - and frankly detest those individuals and institutions (Country Clubs, Corporate sponsors, PGA Tour fops, individual players at all levels,  et. al.) still excluding the new majority of Americans.

    If History serves to present patterns, then golf will once again bring up the rear in terms of reflecting America's new diverse face and as per usual lead the way as a symbol of intolerant resistance to change and social equality. A shameful past need not determine a shameful future should golf realize and acknowledge the new face of America.....For example, Latinos represent

    the fastest growing demographic in America...every month approximately 50 thousand Latinos turn age 18....does anyone else see a "market" for golf there?  Just sayin' ,amigo.

  8. Originally Posted by Bullitt5339

    You do realize that shortly after Bush took over, there was a recession that was caused by Clinton era policies?  And by his aggressive tax cuts and policies, he pulled us out of it pretty quickly.  I guess no one remembers that, since it's convenient to forget.  And Clinton didn't actually have a budget surplus, he did what others have done and moved discretionary money around to make it appear that there was, but we were still racking up a national debt during that time, just nowhere as large as we are now.  At least a part of the current melt-down was caused by Clinton era policies put in place.... ie Fanny May and Freddie Mac and pushing lending institutions to made risky home lones that came crashing down just a few years ago, and are still a big problem in my area.

    Look, I'm no Bush fan at all.  I lost a lot of friends during my time in the Army before I was wounded and retired myself for no apparent reason and the Patriot Act was the largest Unconstitutional policy since the 1940's.  But this 6 years later, blame Bush crap is getting a little old.  While this started when Bush was in office, it could have been over for a long time now, given the proper policies and a more "hands-off" approach by Government toward big business.  Obama won't even come out and say that the Sequester was his plan and idea at all now.  All he wants to do is put police and fire personnel behind him and say they're going to lose their jobs when the fact is that 98% of police and fire are paid by local and state governments.

    If they can't make a 7% cut in discretionary spending without it being this massive overhaul that they say will hurt everyone, they need to go back to a simple budgeting class.  I've loss more than 7% this year to my income because of health spending and tax increases, so I don't feel bad for any of them.  They've had 18 months to figure this out, but it wasn't important to them.

    The ship is nowhere near upright.  If anything it's being torn in two by separate entities who have two visions for America....... One, the wrong vision, which is leading to the path of Austerity measures because of rampant uncontrolled spending, and the other that doesn't want to get involved because they're not popular and really don't seem to have a clear cut vision of the future.

    You are still drinking the GOP austerity koolaid mate...the very same policies that are burying England and other foolish Euro nations who fail to understand the simple Keynesian economic commandment: Thou shalt NOT cut government spending in the midst of a recession or its fragile recovery. You can NOT simply CUt your way back to prosperity.  The fastest time tested approach to economic recovery is Government investment in shovel ready and badly needed infrastructure projects which places cash in the hands of the true job creators -working people who create consumer demand....tax cuts for the rich is a tried and true abject failure as study after study as well as cold hard reality demonstrate.....yes it's counterintuitive -which is why Nobel prize winning economists have long advocated this approach...like Paul Krugman at Princeton and Joseph Stiglitz at Columbia.....Obama has tried repeatedly to follow this approach which the great FDR used to get us out of the last GOP-created Crash of '29/Great Depression but to no avail as the obstructionist GOP House refuses to even bring the American Jobs Act to the floor....the answer is becoming increasingly more clear for working Americans ...deal with the gridlock until '14 and flip the House to the Dems....with all 3 branches returned to adult supervision we can rapidly employ the Keynesian policies which have proven effective in cleaning up past GOP messes....btw Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had little to NOTHING to do with the GOP deregulation of banking which led to the derivative, bundling and other Wall Street bankster ponzi schemes.....that, my friend is a laughable GOP lie since Barney Frank and company could not possibly have influenced a GOP run congress to such an extent-its a blatant lie and indeed has racist and classist overtones as the Repubs want to blame poor people and minorities for what their policies rendered......we know what needs to be done and the American people stand ready to oust the GOP obstructionists and get back on the road to full recovery.....the Democratic Party has been cleaning up Republican messes since 1933.  Just watch how this latest GOP hostage taking with the sequester backfires on the Repubs as they will rightfully get the blame for shutting down essential programs .....which will basically seal their electoral fate come 2014.

  9. Originally Posted by Rick Martin

    Interesting article on Obama and Bush and their golfing habits. 100 rounds for Obama in 4 yrs of his presidency (as of last June 2012). And Bush said he regrets golfing during the wars -


    Does Bush also regret starting unecessary wars...and putting them on the nations credit card?

    Does he regret such wreckless and irresponsible behavior and leaving it all to be mopped up by President Obama?

    One would certainly hope so....since he took Clinton's  budget surplus and turned it into a massive deficit and economic crisis which Obama has begun mopping up- setting the ship aright.

  10. I have indeed played the 56 degree Niblick with a traditional bunker sand blast shot -open face . It works well out of deeper or fluffy sand but you must be careful since it has a 14 bounce...personally at my club where sand is often thin or muddy I just hit a kind of chip shot towards the hole letting the clubs weight do the work..this ..works well if you follow through straight out and not across yourself-easy once you get the hang of it.... if not you can chili dip it!

  11. Originally Posted by LessthanAverage

    Guys, i am a 20+ handicap golfer and have been playing with a box set of clubs I bought 10 years ago.  Last summer I hit a friend of mine R11 driver and was amazed at how far and straight I hit it "lucky shot I'm sure".  So I went out and bought a new driver.  Bought a RBZ but that's another story, love it though.  My question is my iron grips are getting worn out so I was thinking of re-gripping them or just buying some new ones.  Pricing is all over the place, is the higher dollar irons really worth the money for a guy that plays three or four times a month in the summer and will it really help my game?

    As a 20+ capper and recreational golfer I would first recommend that you consider hybrid iron sets ...like Adams A12OS, or Cleveland Hibore....the hybrid irons are much easier to hit than the long and middle irons and will give you considerable more distance ...you might also consider higher lofted fairway woods to replace the hard to hit 4 and 5 irons with 7 and 9 fw woods ....adds 10 plus yards per club....

    as for the all important short game scoring clubs ...120 yards and in ..I recommend you try the Cleveland Niblicks which come in 42, 49 and 56 degree (and grab the no longer made 37 if you ever see one! Best bump and run club on the market) We now have a Niblick Group here at TST  called "Niblick Army" and I encourage you to visit that site for more info as well as Clevelandgolf.com.

    Lastly and perhaps most importantly, you can literally save more than 50% on golf equipment by simply shopping for last years (or the year before) models....this is brand new stuff ... if you enjoy the game you owe it to yourself to play the best equipment that serves your game...no starter sets, knock-offs or clones need be endured as OEM top shelf clubs are readily available as soon as the "latest greatest whizbang" must have breakthrough in technology hits the airwaves. LOL

    Good luck and Enjoy the journey as well as your destination....hit 'em straight.

  12. Originally Posted by meenman

    I recently traded out my 4 hybrid for a 9 wood - what a difference (although with loft changes, the current 9 wood is more like an old 7 wood). My only problem is I can hit it anywhere from 175-200 yards, so consistency is definitely not there - but with the height i get from it, landings are soft if i hit the green. I also put my old 2 hybrid back in the back - only because I always slice it and it is useful when I need to make sure my miss is right.

    I am not yet convinced that the ban on anchoring will go through. But since I have only been playing for 5 years, 3 years is a lifetime away. If it does in fact go through, I will play with different strokes with the long putter once the anchoring ban is official and if that doesnt work, I will go back to my old scotty. My handicap goes up 3-4 strokes every winter anyway - even though it does not get that cold in Florida, I play in the morning and often do not see 60 degrees until I have played 9 holes. I do not play well in cold weather and often have 55/46 splits during the cold mornings.

    In soft sand, I play my 56 like a typical sand shot, hitting a few inches behind and splashing out.

    We have problems at our course with the bunkers sometimes being rock hard - If I cant putt out (which I only do when playing with the superintendent to piss him off), I use a low bounce 60 degree.

    Yes, my course is "bunker-challenged" as well....many are either hardpan or mud depending on weather and irrigation schedules....my method tends to vary according to the bunker in question ..however one reliable go-to approach to getting out of these ditches is to choke down on the 56 degree Niblick and hit a chip shot aiming directly at the pin......and yes on those rare days when there's real sandy bunkers you can indeed open up the 56 degree Niblick and play out....it does have a 14 bounce so one needs to kind of "pick it" off hardpan though!  LOL

  13. Originally Posted by meenman

    I have the 37 degree with the old grooves and a new 56 degree.

    Thanks for the invite and for starting the "Niblick Army" Group!

    I own the old (and better) zip groove models and have all the lofts:

    37, 42, 49 and 56.

    I play them as my 8 iron, 9 iron, PW and SW respectively.

    There is literally never a round where I do not use all of them -extensively. And they have saved me countless strokes on my scorecard.

    FYI: I put oversized grips on mine and this helps insure less " wristyness" when hitting the delicate shots around the green.

  14. Originally Posted by meenman

    Is it uncomfortable choking up with it?

    I'm a few inches taller than you and have never had to choke up with the Niblick - before I went with the long putter, I was using a 34 inch scotty.

    I tend to choke up with my fairway woods and it doesnt bother me - so I probably wouldnt cut it down (unless its a comfort issue)

    BTW since you are a few inches taller than me , the 34 inch putter is probably correct size for you according to the on-line Odyssey fitting program.So no surprise that you find it comfortable.

    What do you plan to do about the long putter ban? As a recreational player will you simply ignore it? I know you dont have to switch out until at least 2016 but thought you must be considering all that non-sense.

  15. Originally Posted by meenman

    Is it uncomfortable choking up with it?

    I'm a few inches taller than you and have never had to choke up with the Niblick - before I went with the long putter, I was using a 34 inch scotty.

    I tend to choke up with my fairway woods and it doesnt bother me - so I probably wouldnt cut it down (unless its a comfort issue)

    I've read that most golfers are using clubs that are too long for them as the "average " height assumed by manufacterers is 5'-8" and taller. Indeed my wife's clubs  (like all standard womens clubs) are all cut a tad shorter and feel quite comfortable at address. In example the standard mens putters are ALL too long at 34 and 35 inches and most definitely damage the swing path.

    I have done the "club wizard" fitting online and been told repeatedly that all of my clubs should be cut down 1/2 inch but have not done so since it seems rather little and as I said I always choke down anyway.   So I'm reluctant to do so but curious as to results....it makes a tremendous difference with my putters as at 32-33 inches they fit more comfortably in my pendulum swing...and the putter is my best,  most reliable club in my bag....perhaps I will hold off until the grips need replacing and reconsider a modest cut at that time...

    oh and yes my God !!  I do indeed choke down big time on my FW woods as they are amongst the longest clubs in the bag...better to sacrifice a bit of distance in the name of hitting the fairway, eh?  LOL BTW I recently changed out my 4 and 5 hybrid irons for 7 and 9 woods with solid results -averaging an extra 10 yards with minimal loss of accuracy. I also tried swapping out my 6 and 7 hybrid irons with high lofted woods (11 and 15) but found that at those distances the hybrid accuracy is more desirable as these clubs are making approach shots at greens.

    Of course the best approach would probably be to find a reliable club fitter and get a customized sizing based on my personal set up and swing. Maybe someplace like Dicks Sporting Goods would do so for a nominal fee ....since I am not in the market for a new set at this time.

    Thanks for your input.

  16. Originally Posted by logman

    C golfer, gotta agree with stogie. I've got three of em and the versatility is excelklent. I love that they're all the same length and sit a little bit more upright that my other wedges. Full on shots are easy, and around the green I can use a putting stroke to bump and run(42) or flip it up (56).  They're weirdly straight And I love the big wide soles with lots of low weight for more of a pendulummy swing. The other great thing about them is they save me slots in the bag. now I've got some good wedges from about 130 yards and a full arsenal of around the green chippers. Win/win

    Got a question for you and all other Niblick fans here:

    I am rather short at 5'-6" and do choke down on all of my Niblicks....I've been considering cutting my steel shafts down one or two inches thus making the mens model Niblick (originally 36 ") into a 34" which happens to be the length of the womens Niblick. Figured maybe I'd split the difference and cut mine down to 35 to try it out first??

    FYI- I putt with a Taylormade Rossa Daytona #1 AGSI cut to 32".

    Your thoughts and those of other Niblick fans here would be much appreciated.

  17. Originally Posted by logman

    The big difference for me between a B/R with an iron and the niblick is the connection. I always seem to hit chips in the sweet spot with the niblick and it seems to be predictable. If I had to hit 100 chips with either stick I'm pretty sure I'd middle the niblick more than the 8. IMO the COG of the cleveland is lower than my 8 iron. Secondly the club 's lie angle is more upright so I can set up with my head more over the ball and swing the club with a stiff armed putting motion. Also the club feels weightier and has a wide sole which seems to make chunking less of a problem.

    I carry the 42/49/56 niblicks, so no lobs. I'm just not consistent with lob wedges.

    Righto, logman

    Nuthin' like a Niblick from 100-120 yards and in.....I too find 60 degree lob a wasted club ...at my club very few carry them because average amateurs cant hit them with any consistantcy -unless it's consistently fat or skulled....however I also find that the 56 degree niblick can produce a suitable lob based on ball position at set up....and with those zip groove spinners they sit where they're hit!

    If you have a chance to pick up the 37 degree Niblick ( alas, not made any longer) I urge you to do so....just great for long bump and run style pitches and very reliable for chips around the green too...the lower trajectory makes your chip roll out much like a putt....and often in the jar! Seems like older players like myself and Europeans too understand the value of the long bump and run pitches and avoid the high risk air attack approach with inconsistant wedge shots (aka the "American" game)...'tis far better to come up a wee bit short on the fringe with a bump and run than miss the green entirely with a "pro" wedge shot mishit.  Cheers.

  18. Originally Posted by meenman

    Let the uneducated think that they are just chippers.

    I am amazed at how many times I play with different members during tourneys that want to buy my 37* off of me when I tell them that they are not made anymore.

    The 56 degree has helped immensely with pitch shots from 80 yards out and the 37 degree is money 110 yards out from the thick rough.

    Yes, I can not believe that Cleveland stopped making the 37 degree Niblick....what a money club from 100 - 120 yards out....and dont ya just love the way that 56 degree spins it!

    One of the best features of the Niblicks, imo,  (except for the 56) is that wonderful alignment line that lets you set up your approach, pitch or chip with such confidence...

    These clubs are good for 3-6 strokes per round at minimum!

    Let the fools try to hit Vokey wedges designed for tour pros who do nothing but hit balls all day.....and watch their score cards explode....LOL

  19. Originally Posted by GaijinGolfer

    No thanks.  Id rathar practice using a normal club instead of relying on a crutch like the Niblick.

    sure...but you'd be more than happy to lean ever so hard on the "crutch" of the latest greatest whizbang driver guaranteed to deliver an extra 35 yards, or the newest big deal fairway wood , hybrid, ball etc.. .....LOL

    Next time you manage to play and , once again score in the 90's remember that the Niblick would have saved you anywhere from 3 to 6 strokes.....and kiss breaking 90 good byw without it. so sad to see people succumb so readily to peer pressure....high school is over mate!

    But you keep right on grinding away with that pro tour grind wedge specially designed NOT for players like you.... essentially wasting precious playing time on the practice green....a chunkin' and a skullin' yer way through a day when you could have been playing and enjoying golf.

    Next time you chunk an approach shot, which statistically shouldnt be too long from now,  remember our discussion.

  20. Originally Posted by GaijinGolfer

    Cleveland can market it as a scoring club if they want but its still just a chipper.  As for it being more effective, how many tour pros carry a Niblick?  Im going to bet that the answer is a big, fat goose egg.

    And how many pros actually NEED a Cleveland Niblick?....seeing as they do nothing all day but practice....and you, I,  and the rest of the recreational golfers do NOT

    ....BTW I notice that you are a 20 'cap....ironically , you would benefit the most from carrying a Niblick in your bag....I have probably been playing less than half as long as you (only 6 years) and I am a senior(probably old enough to be your father) yet I already carry a lower handicap than you and have shot 81 four times........maybe time for you to swallow your ego and pack a Niblick in your bag, mate....

    Remember what Bobby Jones said: "Golf is about turning 4 shots into 3"

    And he said absolutely nothing about the manner in which one did so -other than doing it in a legal fashion....time to realize you are not now nor ever will be a tour pro and bring your scores down while actually enjoying the game itself....get a niblick.....bring more of your scorecard down closer to that "big, fat goose egg"   LOL

  21. Originally Posted by GaijinGolfer

    The Niblick is more versatile but really both are overpriced, IMO.  If you want a chipper, theres much cheaper options out there that will work just as well.

    Again, the Cleveland Niblick is NOT just a chipper ...it has been tested and found to be more effective than "normal" clubs for ALL handicaps from single digit to 24 'capper duffers.

  22. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Crey23 View Post

    Stay away from these.....I rather have an additional wedge in my bag than this very limiting club. I have learned to chip with my lob and sand wedges from 25-35 yards (respectively) quite consistently. It's all on how you approach the shot and and how you grip...there are many publications with the detail on how to grip....Phil Mickelson is a master at this. This method has worked very well for me. I seldom putt from the fringe, as i have gotten great confidence from my chipping.

    Now, with that said, if you must have one..i liked the niblick more...I found the Ody face to be too soft....you have to put more umph into it.....just my experience....Good luck with your decision.

    Why would you warn anyone to stay away from something that's perfectly legal and works?. What precisely is so "limiting" about a club with which you can  hit chip, pitch, approach and recovery shots  from as far away as 100 yards and more?! ....why should any amateur expend endless hours they probably dont have grinding away on the chipping/pitching green with impossibly difficult traditional wedges in utter frustration when they can spend perhaps one hour or so getting the hang of the Niblick and thus going about using their precious little recreational time actually enjoying this game?

    The Golf industry loves to bemoan the fact that the game is in decline and fewer people are playing....recommendations such as yours do not help, my friend.

    It's a GAME and thus meant to be FUN....not some  Puritanical work ethic form of self flaggelation.

    Here's but one of countless objective independent reviews of the Cleveland Niblick .Hope this helps those still able to see beyond their own "purist" traditionalist" biases to enjoy this great game all the more....BTW if you like the Niblicks try to find the ones with the zip grooves -they make the ball land as soft as a butterfly with sore feet...


  23. Originally Posted by keb

    I have the Cleveland 37 degree Niblick and use it for bumps and runs and around the green. Also hit it nine iron distance from the fairway. I think it is a good club, albiet some might find it to be gimmicky. I find that it works.

    They do indeed work -and very very effectively , Keb...

    I carry all four Niblicks in leiu of wedges -since they are far better than regular wedges for the average player....

    I carry the 37 (no longer made) 42, 49 and 56.

    You simply can not beat their versatility from approx 100 yards in.....

    For example:

    two days ago I hit the 49 (pitching wedge) over a deep  swampy ravine from a downhill rough lie onto a sloping green to within one foot of the pin where she stuck like a dart! Thank you zip grooves!

    Disaster turned into a tap-in par courtesy of Cleveland Niblick......dont see too many 18 'cap duffers like me (or 10+ caps for that matter) nail that shot....usually a skulled or fat wedge in frustration ...I've beaten more of these egotistical smirkers into the ground with those Niblicks than I can recall......these are pretty much the same "purists" who jumped all over the hybrids, dimpled golfballs and the latest greatest Driver rocket-launchers...LOL   more than a tad hypocritical, I'd say.  Hit 'em straight, mate.    Cheers.

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