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  1. OK, I take the points from sean_miller. I was not thinking about advice to kids or about advice for people who are naturally talented. I agree that they learn differently. I was following the core idea of the thread which was how unrealistic and inefffective adult golf learning is. I was not thinking we needed more "how to swing" information. I actually think we have too much of that. I was thinking in a different direction altogether: how to learn, perhaps including things like how to avoid some of the many pitfalls that make adult golf learning so unsuccessful
  2. I agree that most lessons end up being a waste of time. Lessons are often just 30 minutes - barely time for a "tip" or a "fix". Everyone is to blame for this. Amateurs for their expectations of improvement from 1 30 minute lesson, pro's for their willingness to go along with that and offer a tip or fix. TV pundits for confusing everyone with their pet theories. Pro's who write books and DVD's that promote themselves and contradict each other. And finally amateurs again for not practicing enough, not practicing effectively and not having a consistent setup. And I agree with i
  3. Not sure why a shot has to be one of two options: bad luck or meltdown. I think there is a 3rd option: a regular poor shot, which might be a miss hit or an error in shot selection. IMO Stanley's 3rd shot was a poor shot, not bad luck and not a meltdown. His play from shot 5 onwards was worse, and is closer to a meltdown, but I still thnk that is too harsh in the situation immediately following the shock of shot 3.
  4. I agree, it does depend on how you use the term meltdown. I think Stanley hit the shot he wanted to, but he had not worked out in advance that the shot he had chosen might spin back into the water. To me, that is a mistake, not a meltdown. I would use the term meltdown for players who lose their game under pressure. Levin lost more shots over more holes, so he gets my vote.
  5. Early last season I switched back to a short putter after about 6 years using a belly putter. My conclusion about the belly putter (or other long versions) is that there are 2 main benefits. The main one is psychological. If you ever get yourself into a situation where you are convinced you can't putt, then a major switch to a totally different method can get you into a positive frame of mind. The second, and less important, benefit, is that you have fewer ways to move a belly putter. You cannot, for example, "push" a belly putter. I switched back once I started to prop
  6. If we talk about whether golf on TV is interesting, then I think the biggest issue is that it is the longest game by far (except cricket, which I won't attempt to explain). 4-6 hours of coverage on 4 consecutive days before you get a result. Who has 16-24 hours in a week to watch all of this coverage? It is not as if anything is happening on TV much of the time. And I agree with some of the previous posts about not really having a reason to strongly root for one player over another. So, if tournaments were 4 rounds of Nicklaus golf, 12 hole rounds taking 2 and a half hours each, you
  7. Do any of you guys play in 36 hole competition? Our club championship is 36 holes in one day. Imagine, 9-10 hours of strokeplay in one day! They say that they do that because people don't play if it is Saturday / Sunday because they have family commitments. Now with a 12 hole course: 12 holes for round one, a bite to eat, then 12 holes for round two: all done in 5 hours. Now that sounds like a better day to me. On TV: Saturday: two 12 hole rounds, the cut and then two 12 hole rounds and a result. Wouldn't that be better TV?
  8. The key to all of this, IMO, is the willingness of the governing bodies to sanction varieties of the game. If they could sanction one official large hole size and 9,12,18 hole formats for scoring, then perhaps that would release course owners to try differnt things without the fear of becoming "not golf". Offer variety and see what happens. Right now we are offering no variety and are in an over supply situation. Rather than just keep closing courses until supply meets demand, wy not at least try some varieties to see if there really is a demand for something else?
  9. Hole size and Jack's idea about 8 inch holes. If I recall reading about this correctly, the origin of the 4.25" hole goes back to the size of a piece of drain pipe that was used to cut holes on one of the original courses in Scotland ages ago. In other words, it was an accident. There are a lot of arguments against making any change, there always are. I acknowledge all of these, and maybe no change is the best answer, but I wanted to point out some benefits of a larger hole as I see them Putting is slightly too big a fraction of the game. IMO. There is slightly too muc
  10. If 12 hole golf were more officially sanctioned, I can see some existing golf courses doing something like this: Take the 18 hole layout and find a way to create 12 really good holes. That frees up 6 holes worth of land. Sell off some land for development: this would re-finance some clubs that are close to closing. Lets say they sold off 3 holes worth of land, that leaves 3 holes that could be used to create a par 3 academy course for the juniors, beginners and people who have an hour after work. 12 holes would make golf a "half day" game if rounds took 2 and a half hou
  11. I suggest the first step is to think in terms of this being a 100% normal reaction to added pressure in golf. I get it, I see it on TV and I see it with people I play with. What "it" is, is your thinking brain going into overload because you are thinking about all sorts of stuff that does not enter your head when you practice. Most of it is fear based. Fear of embarrassing yourself, fear of looking bad to others, fear of losing. The heart pumps, the adrenaline rushes, you rush your routine, you rush your stroke, you name it. Here is my estimate of the effect: if you take 10 practi
  12. This thread has been quiet for a while, perhaps this will help get it started again. I have had TGM for about 2 weeks. Fortunately, I had read the book about TGM beforehand, so I knew that it was meant as a reference manual for teachers, not for people like me unless I was prepared for some serious study effort. I am on my third read, and I am starting to find my way round the book, the cross referencing and the language. I think I understand, at this point, maybe 0.1% of the book. But that 0.1% has already improved my game. My first takeway was that you were eit
  13. I've been looking into swing theory pretty hard recently, and got some great help from a couple of the pro's who blog on Sandtrap. I won't steal their tips, but just to say that there seem to be some key choices that you need to make: hitting or swinging, one or two plane. I will let them join in with pointers on these choices, rather than try and give you my version of their explanations. The key seems to be to pick a style (in my case: one plane, swinging) and focus on executing that style as good as you can. The other key is to NOT incorporate tips without first checking to see
  14. Had my second round with S&T; after getting help from Sandtrappers on hand action. Played the whole round exactly like you say, HeadGolfool, no conscious hand action in terms of release. I did work on the S&T; idea of taking the hands round rather than out. I was mostly working on the S&T; left leg pivot and trying to get the hips sliding before they turn and really letting the club follow and do its own thing. Its working, I must say. I even had a hint of push draw, which really pleased me. This time I reckon I was at 100 - 105% of my normal distance, compared to about 95% of nor
  15. tshapiro and headgolfool, thanks for the replies. I am glad I am not alone in finding all of this confusing, I was worried that it was just me. I like the way that tshapiro describes release, it is literally a hold, hold, wait for it, let go. I had been thinking it was hold, hold, wait for it, then HIT. I suppose the clue was there all along in the term "release", but I was thinking HIT because of the books that used that term. Also, I don't think the way you both describe this is incompatible. I will wait for any more suggestions, but I think that a plan t
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