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mvmac last won the day on September 28

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  1. Mac O'Grady Swings

    He liked the low hands because of the way it set the #2 Accumulator at address. Hogan and Snead didn't setup like this. It also varies on the shot/pattern he's going with or how he feels when he wakes up that morning. With CP fades he tends to stand closer with the handle lower but not as much as in the 80's. Lower handle will automatically add some more knee flex. This was a slight inline draw, notice the differences. He can hit it good no matter how he sets up to it. Now you'll see him address it more like this for CP. CP - Low pull or fade pattern. Upper and lower center are "stacked" on top of each other at the top of the swing (leaning tower of pisa), then everything shifts forward and down, left shoulder stays low as it rotates left. Right arm goes into external rotation and gets as far in front of the rib cage as you can. Steeper angle of attack, more "lag" or handle drag. CF - Medium-high draws or fades. Reverse K setup, hips turn centered, maintain the axis tilt on backswing, on downswing hips shift forward, head stays "back", elbow doesn't have to be forward, outward swing direction. Shallower angle of attack, inline release. Or you can mix and match which is what some instructors have done.
  2. Mac O'Grady Swings

    Yes Daniel Im is a CP-ish player with kind of an inline downswing, he likes the way "swinging left" with his body feels. He does hit up a little with the driver. CP is not optimal for clubs over a 6 iron....typically. It's just a much easier pattern, easier way to swing and hit all the trajectories, especially with today's equipment. Hogan didn't have the left arm as far out as Mac wants it and Snead hit pull draws. Like I just said CP isn't good for the longer clubs, Mac never played a tournament going CP, he went with CF fades. It's also a complicated pattern, lots of sequencing and movements have to be in order and most importantly you need a lot of speed to do it functionally. I could make the case Hogan had more CF pieces than CP pieces. Anyway, I agree with what @iacas has been posting. Mac's info isn't the answer to the golf swing, it's an attempt in the right direction but there is better and more functional information out there.
  3. Mac O'Grady Swings

    Let me save you a lot of time from someone who has been down this road. Forget the Mac takeaway. Mac says that his CP model is based off of Snead and Hogan, yet neither of them had an early set off the ball. Mac's reasoning is that he wanted to load the wrists and right arm early and then just rotate. Cool idea but in reality you can't just zero out the wrist set, so it's actually better to do it gradually. I think he also just liked the way it looked, his takeaway stuff isn't based on any actual scientific studies. Going with an early set/fold can be a speed lose, you "use up" the trail arm stretch shorten movement. Only golfers in the HOF that had an early set that I can think of off the top of my head are Johnny Miller and Nick Faldo. Nicklaus, Sarazen, Hogan, Snead, Nelson, Watson, Tiger, Jones, Player, Norman, Palmer, Mickelson, Singh, McIlroy, etc, had what you might call more of a "one-piece" takeaway. Meaning the butt of the club got well past the trail thigh, pivot turned the arms back, not a lot of wrist hinge, trail palm faced the ground, trail arm above the lead arm. Correct. There are so many stories out there I think he's forgotten what originally happened He told me and others that he spend 1M dollars of his own money funding research at UCLA. Mac did research into the eyes and the inner ear fluids, how those systems work and applied it to golf. The other things he did was study photos of players and figured out how he thought the players were moving. The "figuring out" included consulting with different kind of doctors on his thoughts and learning the basics of the biomechanics involved. Mac has been very influential to the game and moved golf instruction forward in the right direction. He was one of the first instructors to film players at tournaments and use video on a regular basis. He got a lot of things right that they are "discovering" or verifying now with technology and the science guys. Then I would recommend looking into Mike Bender and what he teaches. The CP swing Mac likes isn't easy to teach players, especially higher handicappers. Bender basically teaches Mac's CF or Model 1 pattern, Bender spent years with Mac. Mac doesn't teach CF. If I had to teach one swing that's what I would do. Just take out all the weight forward backswing stuff and there is some good info there. The feet flare, knees changing flex, grip, stacking the COG's, thrusting and tucking pelvis, all the tilt, turn, extension pieces originated from Mac (except Mac never called it extension).
  4. I think Brandel was cherry picking where he took the screenshot. Maybe he was hitting a low shot but these swings below are a better representation of Grant's swing when he was more "stacked". Brandel is doing the same thing with Tiger in that right pic, Tiger is into his transition by then. It would be nice if Brandel would let it go since Grant hasn't been associated with S&T for 7-8 years and now recommends a more rightward center of mass (slight) and pressure shift. Obviously the pressure was shifting right with Grant's swings below. Also I don't see any instruction, other than S&T, which is promoting staying left on the backswing so I don't get the point of calling out Tiger or Grant. I guess maybe he's coming at it from an injury perspective, yet Grant has never had any issues with his back.
  5. Hi @John1974, while not specific to hitting a fairway wood, these would be good threads to check out. Setting up with some "reverse-K" could be a big help.
  6. It's a saying that is regularly used on the site. For newbies it means that what a player may be feeling in their swing mechanically can be very different than what is really happening. This is very common in golf, especially when golfers are making tweaks and changes to their swings. Feel free to share any examples you've experienced or run across. Going to start this thread by sharing a funny example from John Daly. This is him feeling like he's making a "chip" swing. Maybe one of the more famous ones, Ben Hogan demonstrating what he felt on his downswing, more rotary with the pelvis in right pelvic tilt and the left shoulder high. But in reality, in transition he moved into his left side with the left hip lower which levels out when the lead arm is parallel to the ground. Left shoulder still lower than the right.
  7. I recommend it to rest more on the center-right part of the grip (like this pic I found online). The pressure or force applied isn't conscious. Just a personal preference.
  8. SoCal Gathering Late 2017

    1 seems late to tee off, especially on a weekend, I don't know if we can finish in 4 hours.
  9. SoCal Gathering Late 2017

    Sounds good to me. I'm good going to Mile Square again or searching for somewhere new. The desert would be fun. I just played Coronado in a tournament and it's a good, fun layout, the fairways and greens are in great shape. Only problem is it would be a ways away for everyone. http://www.golfcoronado.com/
  10. It could, depends on what your tendency is. With a more upright posture, the pivot can get locked up, shoulder turn too level, only way to create some "down" is to go over-the-top. Better posture/setup can help golfers make better pivots which can then improve the downswing. Great!
  11. My Swing (Slugox)

    Hi @Slugox, I'd suggest a couple things. - Check your grip, just make sure the left hand is in the fingers and not in the palm. Will help the "looseness" at the top. - Like you mentioned with your head, your shoulder is running into your chin. You'll want to feel like your left shoulder is moving downward longer, across your torso. Almost like if there was a string going from your left shoulder down to your right foot and you want your left shoulder to trace the string on the backswing. A feel I sometimes use for myself is that I'm "crunching" my left ribs, left oblique crunch as I rotate.
  12. To be clear the right arm at impact is flexed less than it was at the top of the backswing but will have some flex to it. A few frames after impact it's no longer bent. If your right arm is straightening too much, too early there is a reason for it. Something is happening during the transition/downswing that's causing the need for the right arm to straighten early. Tough to say exactly why without seeing your swing, there could be many causes. The next step for the two comments above is to start a swing thread so we can help you on an individual level. https://thesandtrap.com/forums/forum/13-member-swings/
  13. Yes. It's to help pre-set a little outward path to the right. Typically slicers aim left (open) with their body because they fear seeing the ball go right but that actually leads them to swinging more left and across it.

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