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  1. 1 minute ago, iacas said:

    Where's your data?

    Because if the answer is "I don't have it," then once again… we don't need to hear about your own game.

    Why wouldn't I have the data? And I made a point of turning this discussion away from me in my last post. Why bring that up????

    You asked that I not bring my game up. Perhaps you could show me the same courtesy.

    I disagree that some golfers - especially those on this site and those who track stats - are not qualified to determine weaknesses. They are not going to be as thorough or exact and they are going to get it wrong to some degree, but they are there watching what happens. It is possible to be objective.

  2. Shot a 95 from the tips of an easy, wide open course (around 6,000 yards). After a rocky start, I started hitting my driver pretty well, getting decent carry for the first time in a while. I only hit 3 GIR (and of course failed to hit par on each), but I had so many nGIR's - 6 putts from off the green (all from within a couple yards) and several chips.

    I use a partial swing from almost every shot 125 yards and in. Today I had trouble with club face control and most went slightly right - hence the nGIR's. For the majority of the holes, the full swing put me in position to make pars but I failed to convert.

  3. 23 minutes ago, iacas said:

    That's not how that works.


    23 minutes ago, iacas said:

    I don't know that you're qualified to make those determinations.

    Seriously? Who else is going to do it?

    Are you suggesting this because you think I'm unable to be objective or because I'm not smart enough or experienced enough to know where strokes are lost?

    That's not a defensive reply, it's fair for you might think either of those. You're right in that I don't fully understand the strokes gained methodology. I guess all I'd have to do is read up on it in GameGolf.

    But it's not hard to know what type of shot cost me strokes. And it's not that hard to look over previous rounds and see where strokes were lost there either. It's also not that hard for me to judge where my limit is going to be on a given skill.

    23 minutes ago, iacas said:

    And… again, this isn't about individual players.

    Except that you have some calling out others who claim they have to work harder on their short games as being misinformed or not qualified to make those determinations.

    If we (members) can't apply this stuff to our own game, what good is the information or the discussion. I seriously doubt I'm the only golfer in the world who falls outside the norm. Seems like a reasonable thing to talk about.

    Erik, it's your site. You want me to stop talking about it, say the word and there will be no hard feelings. I just wanted to correct an opinion I'd made previously.

  4. 6 minutes ago, iacas said:

    then your short game and putting are a glaring weakness.

    My entire game is a glaring weakness. I have to improve everything. And I'm not looking to gain 10 strokes. 

    1 minute ago, klineka said:

    Also, looking at this through the lens of one round by one person is not nearly a large enough sample size to make an educated/data based decision

    How about 120 rounds? Is that a large enough sample?

    Today's round was very typical. I hit my scoring average exactly and in the same way as normal. The only difference is that while I was playing, I thought a lot more about what cost me strokes, where improved skill could have lowered the score, and how much effort would learning that skill require.

  5. On 10/25/2018 at 1:08 AM, JonMA1 said:

    I agree the full swing is more important than the short game.

    After really thinking about this during today's round and assessing each hole, I'm going back on what I said previously. At where my game is and at my level, they are both very close to equally important. Both are bad, both cost a lot of strokes. I just can't see the logic of one being drastically more important than the other.

    The only "tie-breaker" might be that really bad full swings can result in penalties - which cost twice as much as a poorly executed putt or chip. 

    (I don't mind being ridiculed for this and I'm not trying to start shit with anyone. After all, it's just a game.)

  6. 40 minutes ago, NM Golf said:

    I am not sure why when I say long game is more important, people immediately jump to the conclusion I mean they should never practice their short game.

    That’s not what I said. And I’m not sure why when I say putting more effort into the short game will allow me to gain a couple strokes people come to the conclusion I think that alone will get me down to single digits.

    I don’t disagree with you as much as you think I do. I just believe that my skills should remain closer than they have been in the past. I also believe that for some of us the ceiling is a bit lower for getting good at the full swing. Doesn’t mean I shouldn’t apply the 65/20/15 rule when the skills are in line, only that I have a pretty good handle on how much it will help.

  7. I agree the full swing is more important than the short game. It's the hardest skill to learn and those who are very good at this game are very good ball strikers.

    8 minutes ago, NM Golf said:

    You hit more greens and you hit the ball closer to the hole on the greens you hit.

    But there are a lot of us who, for a number of reasons, will never in a million years become good ball strikers. We aren't going to hit 12 GIR much less get the ball within 5' on a very high percentage of the few greens we do hit with a full swing. That is just a fact.

    If I hired the best instructor, practiced properly for 4 hours a day working strictly on my full swing, I'd still never come close to those numbers.

    Knowing this, I can approach improvement a bit more realistically. I can disregard what's needed to get to scratch and concentrate more on the best I can do with what I have. That means bringing my full swing to the level of keeping it in play and getting it close to the green. With that may come hitting 5 or 6 greens.There will be rounds where there won't be any realistic birdie chances. Sadly, this is the best many of us will be able to accomplish with our full swing.

    With that in mind, wouldn't I want to get as good as I possibly could at the short game? I can't completely disregard the full swing practice to accomplish that because I'd then be sacrificing my potential described above. But at some point, it makes sense to devote a lot of practice time to develop those skills because of the strokes that can be gained.

    My full swing relative to your game is a joke @NM Golf. But my full swing relative to the rest of my game is a slight strength.

    I'm not going to pretend to know as much about golf as you guys, but improving the short game sometimes has merit, IMO.

    While I may not be the average golfer, I don't think a weakness in the short game is as rare as many think. It's also likely improvement there can come easier and require less maintenance than the full swing.

  8. On 10/22/2018 at 10:59 PM, DrvFrShow said:

    It's my game from 120 yds and in.

    I'm not sure why people have such a hard time believing this. Is it typical? No. But it's not like everyone has the same weakness. It reminds me of a couple of YouTube posts that claim if you employ a certain strategy, you're guaranteed to break 90 (or 80 or whatever). They think everyone has the exact same weakness, therefore one fix will cure us all. 

    You strike the ball better than I do @DrvFrShow and my poor short game and putting are at least as costly as my full swing in preventing me from getting below 18. So if you or anyone else claims the short game is hurting their score the most, I'm not going to doubt it. 

    It's not like we're claiming our short game is keeping us from getting to scratch. Some folks will take a fact that applies to the general population and want to apply it to everyone. And of course, who the hell are you to claim you know your own game as much as someone online who's never seen you play (sarcasm).

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    @HJJ003 -  a while back you had mentioned the possibility that hitting off-center on the driver face might be a reason for my weak drives.

    It's been bugging me since then and I finally had a chance to check it out yesterday. In lieu of impact tape, I used some postage labels and hit a few drives.

    The first shot is the one highest on the face. Maybe I just have hands of stone, but it didn't feel like terrible impact as is the case when I hit off the toe or heel. So this could be happening on the course and I'd be unaware of it.

    Next, I had to figure out how to fix it. I'm thinking it's a negative angle of attack but I'm pretty ignorant about that stuff. Still, I tried to get my low point back a few inches thinking it result in a positive angle. But I was still hitting pretty high on the face. 

    I finally combined getting the low point back along with a shallower angle (if that's the right term), and I hit a couple down closer to the center. Unfortunately, the ball flight was a bit lower than I think it should be. But again, what the heck do I know?

    I'm wondering if I shouldn't tee the ball up just a bit higher, and combine that with playing the ball up a bit more in my stance. I'm currently using 2 3/4" tees and keep them fairly high. 

    More than likely, the lack of distance is as simple as less club head speed. Still, now and then I'll get that 220 - 230 carry. It would be nice have that happening a lot more often.

    Anyway, thanks for the advice and I'll keep working on this.

  10. 43 minutes ago, tlazzol said:

    Oh, so many choices!

    Now you're just being cruel. :beer:

    I'm taking a day off at the end of the month to run a couple errands with hopes of squeezing in one more round. That's beginning to look overly optimistic.

    2 minutes ago, gjunkie57 said:

    Then pulling out the bowling ball until the northeast thaw.  

    I desperately need a winter activity... I mean other than losing golf balls in the snow. I have to get back into cross country skiing or something I can only enjoy in the winter. It really makes the time go by faster.


  11. 1 hour ago, dennyjones said:

    keep it!


    Just now, tlazzol said:

    Aaaahhhhhh! My eyes!!!!  Such an obscenity!!!

    Ha ha. Don't kid yourselves. It's only a matter of time for those of you downstate.

    I'm still heading out tomorrow if they let me on the course. Might have to wait until noon when it's supposed to "warm up" to a toasty 40°.

  12. 8 hours ago, boogielicious said:

    It is fun to do this late in the season. I usually go with 4; Driver, 4 iron or hybrid, 7 iron and 54 wedge. I can putt with my irons or wedge.

    Sounds like it would be interesting. I'm thinking 4h, 9i, the putter (because I don't think I'd putt well with the hybrid), and one of my wedges. I'm most confident with my gap wedge, but I think the sand wedge would be more versatile. I need to learn to use that club for chips and pitches anyway to better control roll on the green.

    I feel pretty good about getting partial distances with the both the 9i and 4h. If I play from 5100 yards, the hybrid will allow me to reach everything in regulation. (The skill needed on the other hand.... not so much.) 

    I have no idea how this will go, but I'm challenging myself to keep the score within 5 strokes of my average.

    If I end up doing this on Sunday, I'll record the round with GameGolf and post it - even if it's slightly ugly. If the round turns out to be really ugly, it never happened :whistle:

  13. 34 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

    But the next step is to decide where you DO want the ball to go.  Once you've decided that, you can safely forget about the trouble, do your best to put it out of your mind.  Concentrate on your golf, the spot you've decided to hit the ball.  

    Agreed. There’s a difference between considering trouble and focusing on it.

    I’d go as far as saying that focusing too much on trouble might even make us over-compensate to avoid it. Happens almost every time someone is standing close to my target.

  14. 27 minutes ago, CarlSpackler said:

    Time to bump this thread. The yard was covered in frost this morning. Golfing season is almost over. 

    $#% that! We have lots of golf left.

    Of course, denial isn't just another river in Egypt

    I went by my local course this afternoon to pick up a head cover I'd lost Friday (not my home course). The guy says "You're lucky, in 15 minutes we're shutting down for the season. It was like 55° out. 

    This is the biggest reason I don't have a yearly membership at this course which is within walking distance. They open late in the spring and close early in the fall. While it may or may not make sense from a business standpoint, why on Earth would I spend my money there when I can play until the snow sticks at a course 20 minutes away?

    I hope this new owner succeeds because I hate to see businesses fail - especially a local golf course. But I'd be pissed if I had bought a slightly over-priced membership in May only to have them shut the gates 2 weeks early in October... when the weather is still fine for golf. 

  15. The season is coming to an end so I'm thinking of playing this weekend using 3 clubs - especially if my partner bails again. I'm curious how much worse my score would be.

    Maybe we should do an online challenge. Not sure if playing with fewer clubs is an advantage or disadvantage for higher cappers vs better players relative to their index. I'd assume better players would stay much closer.

  16. Regarding the slow practice, there is often immediate success when I’m applying a change at 30 to 75% effort. The difficulty lies in speeding it up. While that’s not as much of an issue when practicing, trying to apply the change to even a practice round on the course becomes nearly impossible. 

    I can’t help but think I need to play a bunch of rounds at 50% (or whatever) so that the change I’m trying to make becomes the only thing I know.

    Thanks for the explanation, @boogielicious.

  17. Thanks @efdeel74. Likewise on your videos.

    The fall colors are not as impressive this year and it was overcast when I recorded this round. But when the sun hits those translucent leaves the colors really "pop". If I live to be 100 it's something I'll never get tired of seeing. 

    I've never been to the tropics but I enjoy watching some of the tournaments on TV that are hosted down there... especially in the winter!

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