# RemyM

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1. ## World Handicap System Now Out (2020)

By why would they? You need an accurate par to calculate your "playing handicap", to determine what net double bogey is and to score in forms of play such as Stableford.
2. ## Patrick Reed Relief Comment + Waste Area Penalty at the Hero

I started to write about the definition of lie but deleted it. He was trying to compare what Reed did to someone sticking a tee in the rough and putting his ball on it. Under the definition of lie I don't see where sand behind the ball fits in. While we know sand is not a loose impediment does it fall under "attached natural object?" Sand isn't attached, a gust of wind could blow it away. Clearly though 8.1a(4) says you can't "remove or press down sand or loose soil.".
3. ## World Handicap System Now Out (2020)

Same gender, not across.
4. ## World Handicap System Now Out (2020)

Par will not differ on a hole by gender based on the difference in tee length. If most of the tees rated for men are a par 5 then all will be played as a par five even if one forward tee is only par 4 length. See page 101. https://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/pdf/Handicap/Rules-of-Handicapping_USGA_Final.pdf
5. ## World Handicap System Now Out (2020)

That's covered in the new Rules of Handicapping. It specifically lists a situations like that and say it's fine that it is still a par 5.
6. ## Patrick Reed Relief Comment + Waste Area Penalty at the Hero

He didn't touch his ball.
7. ## World Handicap System Now Out (2020)

Correct. The differences allow some determination based on effective playing length and obstacles.
8. ## World Handicap System Now Out (2020)

It is recommended that par be established for each hole in accordance with the following hole lengths: Par 3: Men Up to 260 yards (240 metres); Women Up to 220 yards (200 metres) Par 4: Men 240 to 490 yards (220 to 450 metres); Women 200 to 420 yards (180 to 380 metres) Par 5: Men 450 to 710 yards (410 to 650 metres); Women 370 to 600 yards (340 to 550 metres) Par 6: Men 670 yards and up (610 metres and up); Women 570 yards and up (520 metres and up) Source: Appendix F: Rules of Handicapping
9. ## Patrick Reed Relief Comment + Waste Area Penalty at the Hero

You are both wrong. Under 8.1 he was improving "The area of the player's intended swing."
10. ## World Handicap System Now Out (2020)

Why would you want the scorecard to show it as a par 5, if the scoring record is calling it a par 4? They used one of my courses as an example when talking about this. It's a par 5 on the course's scorecard and is 440 from the back tee, too short to be a 5 under the new guidelines, and when the MGA has events there they'll play it up a bit and call it a par 4 on their card. It's uphill and has a couple of bunkers that encroach the landing area off the tee. The last 90 yards are straight uphill and covered in rough. They said in that case if it was the architects intent that it be played as a par 5 in normal play it could stay a par 5 under the new handicap system.
11. ## World Handicap System Now Out (2020)

On our last few e-revisions there has been a link that tells you what your index will be under the new calculation. On the first two mine was going down 0.1 and up 0.1 on the last ones. Unless you have some big variation in your 9th and 10th best scores from your best 8 average it shouldn't be a significant change. Some people with an inconsistent scoring pattern will definitely see a change.
12. ## World Handicap System Now Out (2020)

The biggest issue for places going live in January is the new stroke allocation for determining what holes you get your strokes for your net double bogey, and the second one is if they will change the par on any holes on a course to meet the new guidelines. Par didn't matter in the old calculation but it will now. There are many course with par 5's that are a bit short that may now need to be par 4's. My active season doesn't resume until April but when I asked in my seminar when we would get that I was told March.
13. ## Kostis, McCord, and Macatee Out at CBS, Nobilo, Love III, Wie, Immelman In

I know, I saw her. She was better then she was in interviews, but they were still there.
14. ## Kostis, McCord, and Macatee Out at CBS, Nobilo, Love III, Wie, Immelman In

Michelle Wie? Between all the "um" and giggles she is not a very good speaker. I hope they can fix that before they put her on the air. Her playing career will end early just like Dottie Pepper's did, not because she can't play, but because the injuries won't allow her to practice enough to stay at the level needed to compete.
15. ## Two Players Penalized at LPGA Q-Series for Not Knowing Rule

Okay one last time. Here is the shot of Lexi Thompson's caddie on a par 3. So basically if your group is on TV you can flash signals of your club but if your not, you can't. I know the signal is intended for the guy with the microphone and not the fellow competitor looking at it, but she still sees it. I liken this to the extra scrutiny players on TV used to get and had penalties assessed since there was video evidence of what they did, while a player not on TV might have done the same thing but no one saw it. The rules were changed to limit how video can be used to assess penalties, the naked eye exception. My whole point in all this was to show what the correctly penalized player at Q School meant when she "sees it all the time," I never said the players at the Tour Championship should have been penalized. Obviously some of you don't think it's a big deal, but some people didn't think caddies lining up a player was a big deal, or anchoring a putter was a big deal, but others did and the rules were changed. I'm entitled to my opinion and I think this practice should be stopped even if others don't and I certainly should not have been insulted for expressing my opinion.
16. ## Two Players Penalized at LPGA Q-Series for Not Knowing Rule

There was another time on screen that Lexi Thompson's caddie gave the signal on a par 3 and it was right in front of a fellow competitor. I'm done with screen shots though. To me this is the same as backstopping. I know the rules, just making a point, like the player at Q School said, she sees it happening all the time.
17. ## Two Players Penalized at LPGA Q-Series for Not Knowing Rule

Screen shot from Sunday. Assumed it was for Jerry Foltz who was the walking on-course reporter, but Neely Korda and her caddie were standing there too. You can see the two other balls in the shot.
18. ## Two Players Penalized at LPGA Q-Series for Not Knowing Rule

Dye, Weber and Christina Kim were the players at Q School, Schram was Webber's caddie, but we've been through all that already. My post yesterday was about S.Y. Kim's caddie giving the same signal visible to everyone at the CME Group Tour Championship.
19. ## Two Players Penalized at LPGA Q-Series for Not Knowing Rule

The Q School situation was clearly a violation, I never disputed that. I know the whole thing about intent but we couldn't see what was going on off camera and I think the practice needs to stop. Someone seeing what I saw on Sunday gives credence to the final comment in the original story I posted. Kendall Dye and Dewi Weber were still in shock about the whole thing after Q-Series ended. As Dye tells it, Christina Kim hit first on the par 3. Then Weber stepped up to the tee. As Weber prepared to hit, Dye motioned toward Weber’s caddie to ask if it was an 8-iron. Jacqueline Schram signaled back to confirm that it was, indeed, an 8-iron. Even though Weber didn’t have a clue that any of this had transpired, she was given a two-stroke penalty along with Dye because of her caddie’s mistake. “I have just seen so many caddies and people do it,” said Schram. “It was just a subtle gesture that I didn’t think twice about.”
20. ## Two Players Penalized at LPGA Q-Series for Not Knowing Rule

It was far from surreptitiously. He was standing just off to the side of his player and he made the signal with a halfway extended arm at chest level. Very obvious for all to see.
21. ## Two Players Penalized at LPGA Q-Series for Not Knowing Rule

What if one of her fellow competitors or their caddies is standing next to the on-course reporter? Who is to say the signal was't made to be advice to them. Perhaps a subtle head nod from someone is observed before the fingers are flashed. Rules need to be enforced consistently.
22. ## Two Players Penalized at LPGA Q-Series for Not Knowing Rule

Of course, but this is where someone gets their logic that they see it all the time. Perhaps just like caddies can't line up players perhaps they shouldn't be giving out unsolicited advice. Didn't help Nelly Korda, she hit 9, came out of the shot and it came up short then rolled into the penalty area.
23. ## Two Players Penalized at LPGA Q-Series for Not Knowing Rule

Watching the final round of the CME Group championship. S.Y. Kim was getting ready to hit her second shot on the par 4 11th, she has 146 and as her caddy walks away he clearly flashes three fingers to the to side to tell the TV guy she is hitting 8 iron. The other two players in the group balls are visible ahead of her's waiting to be played. Now nobody asked what she hit but the information is there for the other players.
24. ## World Handicap System Now Out (2020)

The other interesting thing is the stroke allocation for determining where you get your strokes for net double bogey will come from the last rating done at the course, so the stroke allocations on scorecards are no longer accurate for the handicap system. They did say that the new app will allow hole by hole entry that will show the correct strokes. Interesting thing in the CGA documentation that multiple PCC adjustments will indicate that a course may need to be re-rated. I have found a big inconstancy in course ratings in my opinion.
25. ## World Handicap System Now Out (2020)

The PCC adjustment is from -1 to +3. There has to be at least 8 scores posted timely for the day for PCC to apply. Scores posted after the day will not be included in the PCC calculation but will be effected by the PCC. Attached is the PP from my golf association. WHS-MGA-2019.pdf
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