JackLee

Just trying to get you to pay attention to what is actually happening in your swing, not what you think you are doing. In the down and through swing, your body movements must lead your arms and hands. If the thought of swinging down and through with your arms and hands is causing your body movements to lead by subconscious anticipation, just as in the baseball swing, then you and your brother-in-law are very exceptional people. Getting the body to lead in the golf downswing usually has to be done with some conscious body movement.

If you have trouble swinging inside-out, then try a closed stance. That makes it much easier. It can be anywhere from slightly closed to extremely closed. Experiment.

So, are you just hinging your left arm at your left shoulder, or are your body movements actually doing the pulling?

You are sort of on the right track, but do not pull down and through with your left arm. Do the pulling with your left shoulder.

Since you asked, it took one practice session. Then I did a short practice the next day and played 18 with great success. I was a 25 hcp before I made those swing changes.

I used to have a problem with looking up before impact, but I cured that by doing the following: I focus on the turf just behind the ball where I want the leading edge of the club to come in between that turf and the ball. If the ball is on a tee, I make the necessary adjustment to swing above the turf. I keep focusing on that turf until I am looking over my trailing arm after impact.

How do you start the downswing? Lead shoulder. http://www.golfswingmasterkey.com/

You get the proper shaft lean from using your entire body correctly. No independent arm swinging.

For a right hander, a pure draw is a ball that starts right of the target and then curves left to the target. You can call that a push-draw if you like, but the older material that I have read calls it a pure draw, or just a draw. I expect that it has been called that because it is an intentional good shot. Same thing for a pure fade, or just a fade. Starts left of target and then curves right to the target.

A pull with regard to body alignment? Really? I don't know if you are serious or trying to be funny. Oh well, this is a waste of time anyway.

You will probably find Erik's #2 to be the easiest, if he includes a closed stance with that body alignment. But Erik, are you sure you want to call that a pull-draw, because the clubface is not closed to the target line at impact, and the ball will not be pulled left of the target line. I would just call it a draw. I would have expected you to call it a push-draw. However, maybe you are calling pulls and pushes with regard to the path instead of the target line. Confusing!

"The Golf Swing and Its Master Key Explained" by Noel Thomas. The ebook is an unrestricted .pdf file. It is sent by email attachment. This is the only golf swing instruction that I can highly recommend. Just do a Google search.

My lead arm bends some at the top, but the centrifugal force and momentum straightens it in the lower part of my downswing. For that to happen, you must have it in your mind to swing the clubhead DOWN through the ball.

What waist bend? I thought that in a good setup posture there is only hip bend and knee bend.

The problem makes sense, but it seems like your question has the words "right" and "Left" reversed, or am I missing something?

"The Golf Swing and Its Master Key Explained" by Noel Thomas

It seems like common sense that the only way to make a swing more shallow is to use more lateral movement, which would require a wider stance.

Momentum plays a big part. Actually the arms are more to the side of the body at impact. I would not try to paraphrase the entire instruction in a forum. Read it and try it: "The Golf Swing and Its Master Key Explained" by Noel Thomas When I first read it, I was thinking that it could not be that simple, but it is.

A body powered swing is the best IMO. The arms do none of the swinging, except for the forearm muscles being used in the release.

And stop hooking. Probably not a good secret for slicers, or if you can already hit a nice fade without cupping the lead wrist at the top.

Thanks guys. Very interesting.

I think I read somewhere that it is a swing in which the shoulders and arms stay on the same plane throughout the swing. Is that correct, or not? Just curious.

I like his swing, and I like what he said and what he demonstrated.

In watching some of the face on videos in this thread (both before and after), I can see independent arm swings that get ahead of the body movements resulting in a flip through impact. That's why I thought the OP's post was a joke. These look like how I swung when I first started over 20 years ago. I also see swings like these at practice ranges, and the resulting shots are neither long nor straight. When I hit a golf ball, the back of my lead wrist does not even start cupping until my club is almost parallel to the ground in my follow through. Oh yeah, I stay pretty much centered, but I do not lean toward the target like some of these people. I have no interest in arguments here. I just hate to see struggling players wasting their time. I just put in a search on Google for "golf swing" and got 6,140,000 hits. If anyone has any interest in the instruction that I use, you can find it in my earlier posts. Damn, I have to stop wasting time on this. I'm gone for now.

Well, I guess this is supposed to be a joke. You instructors must be getting bored.